After hearing good things about chemset androstadienone from… another site, and receiving a discount voucher from said site, I’ve decided to get some from them. But I’m just wondering about dosages.
According to their product blurb, it contains 10mg (milligrams) of dry A1 in 10ml of perfumer’s alcohol, or 1mg/ml. If I were to put that into an Androtics spray bottle, that would be about 66 sprays’ worth, or 1000mcg (micrograms) divided by 66, equalling 15mcg/spray, correct?
A review reckons the dropper bottles from this supplier are of poor quality, so I’m thinking of getting a new 30ml spray bottle from Androtics with a scented diluent (say, perfumer’s alcohol with neroli), taking 10ml out of that bottle, putting the androstadienone into the bottle so I’d then have a 5mcg/spray bottle of androstadienone that I can “mix on the skin” with other mixes or experimones.
Or should I get a completely empty bottle from Androtics, a supply of perfumer’s alcohol and pipettes, and mix in the new bottle that way?
Well I am not sure your getting 66 sprays ? The full to-go bottle has 40 sprays and the 30ML bottle has about 200. It would be easier if you added the 1 ml to the bottle and then filled the rest with something like a scent or perfumers alcohol.
If you put 1 MG/ML in a 30 ML bottle you would have 1000/200= 5mcg per spray
If you put it in a to-go bottle 1000/40=25mcg per spray.
Taking your number 66 per 1 ml/mg 1000/66=15 mcg per spray.
I dont think the 66 number is right though. That part is throwing me off because I always fill the bottle with cover or something. I need to ponder that part more LOL BUt if your calculation of 66 was correct then yes you have 15 mcg per spray. Its not though
Ok figured it out. 1 ML of liquid = 6.6 spray 6.6x30=198 sprays, roughly the 200 sprays in a 30ml bottle.
Keep in mind this calculation will be different for different spray heads. I am just talking androtics heads.
Sooooo… 1000/6.6= 151mcg per spray
You need to dilute it way more.
Whew math is hard first thing in the morning. LOL
If you used the whole 10ml of A1 and added that to the 30ml bottle
1mg=1000mcg
1000mcgx10 =10000mcg
10000/200= 50mcg per spray
Whoa!! 151 mcg/spray! Thanks Tish, saved me from a massive OD. I can see the TV news report now…
“In Sydney today, a man was killed in a pherobomb blast. It is reported that he covered himself in more than 300 micrograms of A1, and was crushed to death by women wanting to hug him…”
I want to order this stuff but at that concentration it is difficult to work with. I want to add A1 to the P83 based mix I’m working on but I want to dilute the A1 down to 1.25 mcg per spray.
To do this I would just cut back on the cologne by .05 ml and add .05 ml of A1 from the chemset. The problem is the pipettes I bought from Androtics only go down to .5 ml so I won’t be able to measure .05 ml accurately.
Anyone know where I can get a pipette that would allow me to add .05 ml of liquid accurately to a togo bottle?
I was thinking the same thing. I’m curious to know how AD prepares the product to allow for specific mcg per dosage beyond just the simple saturation of the pheromone in the carrier.
This would be definitely useful in regards to ordering chemset 'mones from other locations for use in conjuction with the products here, or to create additional mixtures (like if they ever released the IFM recipe).
You can shake it a little before each application or you can pop on up to the store and by the oil with a musk or neroli. Use that with perfumers alcohol. The binders are in the scent pack.
Jasmin has mentioned many times they use animal musk but not animal pheromones here. She has not said these are the binders but Animal musks are usually used in perfumery as molecule binders.
So if you dont want scented from here you could by some civit, ambergris or even deer musk and use a tiny bit with your scent choice then add your scent to your mix and let it age for a few days. Be sure to gently mix at least once a day and keep in a cool dark place. Thing is these musks are always concentrated and smell nasty as hell. Once you add just the tinest bit to your scent pack though you never notice it.
Or you can use a different fixatives in your scent that will help in binding when you mix your mones in like Sandalwood, Myrrh
Vanilla, Balsam of Peru, Angelica, calamus, orris, vetiver, or musk
So to clarify for me cause I happen to be “special”… I bought the same product only at half the strength so that would be .5mg per 1ml right? I also got the 30ml bottle of akuto scent to mix it with if i mix in 5ml of the A1 in the 30 ml bottle i should get 12.5 mcg per spray correct? (and I was always taught to show my work in math class so here it goes)
.5mg per 1ml = 500mcg
500mcg x 5ml = 2500mcg
2500mcg/200 = 12.5mcg per spray
am I somewhat close? Like i said I’m special so be kind if I’m not even close
I just played with my pipette and my bottle of TUTH and I found that the pipette produces approximately 44 drops per ml. Obviously this is not the most accurate way to dose but it may help with the A1 from that other vendor because it’s so concentrated. I don’t know if the drop size will be the same with the A1.
Anyway, I figure that there are around 440 drops in the entire bottle.
10,000 mcg/440 drops = 23 mcg/Drop
Let’s say you want 5mcg per spray that would mean that you need 200mcg Total Pheromnes in a spray bottle.
200/23 = 9 drops
Therefore you would need to use the pipette to put 9 drops into a togo bottle and fill up the rest with perfumers alcohol, cologne, or other scent stuff.
Since this method is sloppy and not so accurate you would probably end up with somewhere between 4.5 and 5.5 mcg per spray.
All this math makes my brain hurt lol. In simplest terms, if I get half strength A1 and a 30mL bottle of PA from androtics, how many drops of the half strength A1 do I have to add to the 30mL to get ~20-25mcg/spray (I will be using a pipette from AD if it makes a difference)? And do I need to add anything else (binders or anything like that) or will the PA be enough? Thank you and sorry for my lack of math abilities .
When I got my half strength bottle I noticed it was just half the size of the full size bottle… the concentration was still 1mg to 1ml… to get the mcg content you want (of 25mcg per spray) you need to combine all 5ml to the 30ml bottle it works out like this.
1mg equals 1000mcg,
there are about 200 sprays in the 30ml bottle
Now you need to divide the mcg content by the number of sprays in the bottle so here is the math 5mg = 5000mcg, now 5000 mcg divided by 200 sprays = 25 mcg per spray.
now I have no idea about binders or anything like that though hopefully tisha or someone else can answer that (and also double check my math lol)
that I don’t know… but if my logic is correct to get the 25mcg per spray you would want to remove 5ml from the 30ml bottle of PA and then place in the 5ml of A1. To me this would make sense as the 200 spray count comes from 30ml of liquid and not 35ml, don’t you think?
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