i’ve been wondering, would a buff guy be able to get away with more -none than a skinny / regular guy? people subconsciously expect more -none output from a guy with more muscles. so in a sense, a buff guy could use a lot more -none and still appear congruent with his pheromone signature?
i haven’t worked out for a long time and i realized that i can no longer get away with the same amount of Edge i used to wear. i used to do 3-6 sprays of Edge and then refresh every 4 hrs and never saw much OD reactions, just lots of attention and good hits. but these days if i use more than 2 sprays i start to see ghosting behavior and i’m becoming sensitive to -none buildup, which i never had to worry about b4. so im trying to figure out why this is happening.
Very interesting indeed.
I am starting my workout again September(i had to stop thanx to the surgery).
But i workout.. i am 95kg (209 lbs) and i can take around 30mcg of -none without overdosing.. or 40mcg with proper buffers.
Hmmm - interesting - I work out a lot and weigh just a little less and can get away with a lot of 'none - but then again I am in my mid-40s.
How old are you Idle? At the same time Idle - you also seem to really buffer your 'none very well from what I have seen of your mixes.
Maybe a new way of looking at things - almost counter-intuitive. Because usually I would (and I certainly know Tisha has) advise a young guy who works out a lot to avoid too much extra 'none to avoid an OD or appear too imposing and go with more social products instead.
Maybe if you are bigger and have a “workout” physique you can get away with a little more 'none because people subconsciously expect the signature even if they do not consciously know/understand it.
@bosshank
I am 26 and… without the buffers the -none comes too hard on me.
Usually my daily mixes are with no more than 10mcg of none.
Most of the time ~5mcg. It seems to add the edge that i need.
But at clubbing i go up to 20-30mcg with excellent results.
Then again.. i buffer it allot with social friendly pheromones and Putatives.
I workout regularly and try to avoid using too much -none.
The highest dosage I’ve tried is 5mcg (with buffers), when I attempted this most women responded alright, the exception being a female bartender who wouldn’t make eye contact with me.
I’m in my late 20’s so I might be able to get away with a little more but thus far have found 2.5mcg seems to be ideal.
Because the last thing I want is to come off as intimidating in a social setting.
oh you will be congruent alright, congruent to the -none which in terms make it “MORE” effective, good in some cases, but an OD is still possible.
if you are not congruent, then peoples subconcious mind may get confused because they are not sure what signature you are trying to project. on the other hand if you are congruent, pheromones will work for you MORE, so in this case musculine signature X 2. just my 2c.
that’s what i thought was happening to me when i was buff. i got extra attention almost everywhere i went, DIHLs and double takes were happening on a daily basis for me at the time (from late 20s to middle aged women). and the more i applied the more blatant the hits became (to a point). i kept reading about all this OD business on LS and androtics forums and had no clue what they were talking about.
now im getting better at dealing with the buildup and OD issues. but things were so much simpler b4. i miss my masculine x 2 signature, if that’s what it was…
I’m 24 - 215lbs… im finding that i’m having better results with 4 sprays TUTH (togo) than with just 2 sprays… I havn’t gone any higher tho. Next friday i’ll head out to a club and wear w/e combo of A314, CTTM, IO, AMMO, TUTH you guys want… just let me know
Alright, I’ve now officially tried going up to 7.5mcg of unbuffered -none (via Turn Up The Heat) and it’s safe to say I won’t be going back.
It wasn’t a OD IMO but younger women weren’t as responsive as usual. More of them did play with their hair and some of them were checking me out, but I got the impressions that this was in spite of the -none not because of it.
Older women (38+) on the other hand were more interested then I’ve ever seen, with most of them making that fact very obvious. Extended eye contact and close proximity was a common occurrence from them tonight.
Men of all ages either kept there distance or challenged me in a very passive aggressive way.
Usually when in a bar/club I receive a respectful amount of space and the instances of being bumped into are rare. Tonight however, some guys almost made it a point to continually invade my space, even after I gave them a gentle nudge on the shoulder.
Their actions made it clear that they were hesitant to take it further but perplexingly (sp?) enough they seemed to feel the need to try to assert themselves.
A male friend I was with was also very short tempered with me and even came close to successfully goading me into a confrontation.
All this after a prior warning that he may feel some unfounded animosity towards me tonight and he shouldn’t take it personally (he doesn’t know our secret).
In conclusion, Although I do believe the hypnosis that men with more muscle can get away with a higher (unbuffered) Androstenone signature, I don’t think it’s the most productive thing to do.
great report LaPew! reps for u. thx for the brave experiment and TOFTT lol. we owe u thanks for testing this theory in the field. i think this is enough to show that high -none is still more bad than good, muscles or not. but great if one’s into ‘mature’ women tho lol.
i guess the muscles and -none congruence hypothesis wasn’t the reason for what i experienced when i was working out, need to look for other explainations.
Hmmm - interesting - I work out a lot and weigh just a little less and can get away with a lot of 'none - but then again I am in my mid-40s.
How old are you Idle? At the same time Idle - you also seem to really buffer your 'none very well from what I have seen of your mixes.
Maybe a new way of looking at things - almost counter-intuitive. Because usually I would (and I certainly know Tisha has) advise a young guy who works out a lot to avoid too much extra 'none to avoid an OD or appear too imposing and go with more social products instead.
Maybe if you are bigger and have a “workout” physique you can get away with a little more 'none because people subconsciously expect the signature even if they do not consciously know/understand it./quote
…Thats 30-40 mcg of Rawpower right Boss? Well I must be the skinny one here im 6 – 1 and not much more than 70 kg.As for how much none i can handle with congruence… id say around 30mcg of rawpower so go figure?
Not a problem, thanks for the reps.
Yeah if you like the ladies with a little more experience then higher levels of -none are for you.
Just a thought, but have you considered the other pheromones a healthy body emits at higher levels?
Another factor could also be the confidence that accompanied being in shape significantly altered your congruence factor.
Posture, skin/eye clarity, gait,hair thickness, etc are all effected by exercise.
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