Daedelus' journal

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Journals
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I wore Ammo + 1 spray 5mcg androsterone + 25 mcg WAGG. I went down to the “little Saigon” down here in Orlando, some place I’ve never been even after living here for so long. It was actually very cool compared to most of the stuff in this town.

I looked around at one bric-a-brac store and ended up buying a few boxes of Ti Quan Yin which is a good Oolong tea. I also came across some interesting stuff- it looked like “funny money” at first, monopoly money. It took me a while to figure out though it was Asian joss offerings for the dead, then when it hit me I felt a bit dumb as it took me so long to figure it out- the paper clothes and incense sticks a few feet away gave me the “ooohhhh” moment. Interesting that stuff was in every store I went into, either most Vietnamese around here aren’t Catholics like I suspect (most I have known here in the US have been Catholic), or there are alot of non-Vietnamese Asians going to the shops (a possibility since I saw lots and lots of Chinese and Japanese stuff).

I did buy a box of Japanese sandalwood incense to try out, but I was careful to not buy anything that looked remotely like joss sticks or anything potentially culturally ackward, the incense was in a different section that the paper money/clothes. They also had some nice teapots, I should probably go back one of these days and buy one, because they were alot cheaper than other stores, and they were the right size- small. I have an affinity for loose oolong and green teas (Dragon Well/Longjing being a good one), and I typically use a teapot that’s just too big to make it the proper way (lots of tea, little water, re-use the tea several times).

And the older Asian woman at the register was very friendly, much more friendly than many people I interact with around here. Perhaps pheromones helped in this case, I couldn’t say for sure. Yesterday when I went to the local Indian grocery I got a similar reaction from an Indian woman at the register, and the only difference was I wasn’t wearing WAGG at all. ( I’ve been there before but it’s scary what the bags of rice look like, you could feed an army on that stuff :slight_smile: )

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Interesting reports that you got there buddy :slight_smile: Well you got good reaction from the asian woman at the cash register & also from the indian women from the grocery store( Hmm you are not wearing WAGG while at the grocery store, interesting :roll_eyes: )

The combo that you wear on your new report (AMMO, Androsterone & WAGG) was good as you are wearing a different type of pheros(some are not from Androtics) together :slight_smile: And i noticed you have doing that for all your reports, good style different from the others :roll_eyes: Anyway reps for your reports & see ya :slight_smile:

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Well, I’m not sure i’m unique mixing and matching Androtics with other companies: I think alot of the ladies mention similar things in their journals. Maybe rare for the guys journals, though. Honestly I might just order TAK when my WAGG runs out, but that’s going to be a while.

Today I wore 2 sprays WAGG + 1 Ammo. Nothing great to report, although I don’t think I experienced any negative effects from androstenone at 1 spray Ammo. I went out to eat with my parents and mostly sat at home watching movies all day, heating up some oud oil in an oil burner I bought, so maybe the oud helped mellow me out- after a few hours I felt like I was melting into the couch. Or maybe I’m getting used to the effects of androstenone, either one is possible. On the subject of burning stuff… I also bought an electric bakhoor off a website to try out smoldering loose incense and woods :slight_smile: Oh yeah and my clothes smell great too, they smell like sandalwood and oud, it’s like perfume for your clothes. Curiously enough, even though it’s been hot the last couple of days I haven’t noticed any BO and I always feel clean.

If I order Ammo again, though, it will definitely be neroli musk, and not Ammo. I think I said that before but to my nose Ammo just is a lousy scent, reminds me of Acqua di Gio which I’m not in the mood for right now.

Oh yeah, I think Androtics in the future might want to try out Glucam P-20, I think it’s working out good. Maybe make it an option to have extra fixatives in custom orders, perhaps, for summertimer or just for people who want smoother effects? I want to keep doing more testing, though, to see if it’s a good idea first.

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Daedelus, what’s the ratio you use when mixing the Glucam P-20 with cologne/phero product? I’ve found it at a webstore for $5.00 for an oz. and if that lasts a good while, it might be nice to just get some to keep on hand. If 1 oz goes a long way, then it would probably be cheaper in the long run for the interested user to buy it himself rather than have Androtics offer it as a custom addition.

-D4

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I’ve been using about 2-3 drops P-20 for every 4-5mL. I’m still experimenting. If you add too much it doesn’t dissolve well, it’s similar to a diluted gummy resin you might use as a fixative, similar to Ambroxan, but it has no odor itself (whereas Ambroxan smells like ambergris, or a sweet, musty wood smell).

On a side note, I spent alot of time yesterday reading up on making incense, and doing some dissections of sticks seeing what makes them tick. Apparrently alot of incense is made using “blanks” or “punks” which are unscented sticks- most punks you encounter are made from sawdust, but charcoal is actually considered the better product as it imparts less aroma of its own and burns cleaner. The blanks are dipped into fragrancing or essential oils. Charcoal incense always has a dark brown/black color regardless of ingredients, and punks have a texture of rough wood. Usually charcoal and punks have a more limited shelf-life.

Some Indian incenses, such as Champa, are made using a “masala”, which is a paste made up of different ingredients, including a tree bark called “makko” which is a flammable binder, then the incense is glued onto the stick using gummy resin or glue. This method is called a “durbar”. This type of incense is also sometimes called “dhoop” when it doesn’t have a stick in it, sometimes its shaped into ropes.

Japanese incenses are a combination of kneaded/extruded makko paste, essential/fragrance oils, and also special grades of charcoal to reduce smoking, and usually don’t have a “backbone” of bamboo/sandalwood stick in them. I’m thinking most of the agarwood cones/sticks I have bought off eBay have been makko paste soaked in diluted agarwood oil, which actually seems like a good way to go about doing it.

It sounds to me making incense sticks would be an easy way to get started making a fragrance product, as it doesn’t sound too hard. The only issue would be packaging/shipping- clearly you’ld need boxes to put the finished sticks into.

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Well, today I wore 1 spray of Instant Honesty and 1 spray of Instant Gentleman, covered with sunscreen. This mix felt like a bit of a dud. I really miss the WAGG component. I felt OK for a while, then felt a little shy. My mom and I went to an Oriental market on the far side of town and looked around and we bought a few groceries, such as agar gelatine deserts (sounds yummy) and lots of soba noodles, some seaweed. I wanted to find some kimchee because I miss that stuff but they did not have any :frowning:. I also finally found some metal chopsticks.

Then we went back to the Vietnamese bric-a-brac shop and I bought some Japanese incense and an inexpensive teapot- I have a few teapots already but I wanted a small one to make kung fu cha with a little more care. My mom was wearing 2 sprays of Instant Sexiness B and she asked the older Asian woman behind the counter about something she had seen some place else (some kind of water heater, probably medicinal), and the Oriental woman and her spent about fifteen minutes talking about all sorts of stuff, and I just quietly left them alone and looked over the rest of the store. My mom is a normally open person but the woman was very friendly, it was almost like a shield dropping effect and they seemed to be hitting it off right from the start.

Me, OTOH, I felt extra-cautious and a bit intimidated at some of the places, but also increasingly aware of not offending people. It didn’t help that I felt out of my element, esp. at the Oriental grocery store, where most people were Asian or Hispanic. I definitely did better with 2 sprays of WAGG a couple days ago, I made more eye contact, even if it was carefully measured to not seem to intense, and I just felt easier.

BTW, the Japanese Green Tea incense is heavenly. It doesn’t fit in most other incense holders but the box came with a small holder of its own. It’s just the right size for a small room, too. I also got some sandalwood.

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Hey man, I noticed you really seem to enjoy WAGG, I was seriously thinking about getting a bottle a few years back when I first started to get into the whole pheromone thing, I have a strong propensity to come off as an A-hole sometimes so I figured it might soften up my image. But since I really didn’t hear too many people talking about it I decided against it.

So tell me what are your thoughts on WAGG? Is it your basic alpha Androstenol product or do you suspect there are some other pheromones at play in this mix?

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Hey, nice to see you here :slight_smile: WAGG I think is similar to TAK, I don’t believe there’s any androstenol in WAGG at all, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were the same exact molecule. So, you could also try out TAK. Personally, I think TAK is better right out of the bottle and I think 10-25mcg is the right dosage.

1 drop of WAGG diffuses poorly without cologne, so I’ve taken to diluting it in my own customized atomizer mixture, usually I use 12-13 drops for every 5 mL (vodka or perfumer’s alcohol), plus a few drops of cologne to help act as a diffuser (I use Aqua Velva Musk, it’s neutral smelling), and lately, P-20.

I took can sometimes just feel nervous or edgey, and TAK is great for taking the edge off. Or WAGG, take your pick.

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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention today when I was at the healthfood store picking up a few things, it was really crowded and I was tired, and at one point I pushed my basket past a woman who was blocking the way. I accidentally hit her basket, or rather she hit me, and she just said “sorry”, and she put her hand on my shoulder (I honestly wasn’t paying much attention to her at all). Very wierd, this almost never happens. I can’t help but think maybe the pheromones had something to do with it. Otherwise, I was out of it today, not “in the game” (god I hate that phrase but what else do I say?). Clearly I need to take a few days of downtime, I know that sounds crazy but I hate sitting in traffic, even if I’m not driving all that much. Some Instant Shine probably would have helped, too :frowning:

I also burned some incense today, the real stuff- frankincense and myrrh. The vapors definitely do something to me. I felt like I was melting into the couch a little bit. The frankincense is from Yemen smells lemony and medicinal when it burns, not like the oil all that much. I also have some copal and opoponax to burn too, and I ordered some palo santo as well. I also noticed my cat came out and sat down in a chair near the oil I was simmering it in. This cat usually isn’t very mellow, in fact lightening scares the crap out of him and he’s very shy, but I’ve noticed he really seems to change when exposed to Frankincense. It does smell a bit stinky though, but it’s a clean stink, just smell very unusual, piercing.

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So after skimming through a bunch of your journal entries WAGG/TAK appears to be a part of your baseline mix, so I take it you feel it’s effects are worth incorporating into your phero identity of sorts. What sort of effects would you say it imparts?

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TAK or WAGG’s effects are shield-lowering, they impart an easygoing mood. In high doses it seems to interfere with activities that require mental alterness and makes you indifferent or blase- I tried playing a video game once with a high dose of WAGG, then followed up later with 50mcg of TAK, and in both cases I did rather poorly and experienced profound feelings of jamais vu, the feeling I was doing stuff for the first time even though I wasn’t.

In moderate or low doses it seems to ease defensive type reactions or thinking, reduces your perception of yourself socially (a bit of “ego negation”, like you feel like you are more going with the flow), and also has a bit of a “stealth” effect, lowering your physical presence. It’s good if you are too self-conscious, intimidating, or if people around you tend to throw up defensive shields. WAGG is suppossed to be for “Lone Wolves” which seems to fit me a bit, too, and I think TAK’s reactions are very similar as well.

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Very interesting, I think I just might have to get some TAK on my next order.

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Today’s mix was 2 sprays of WAGG + 1 spray of Ammo. I was having a really lousy day until I put the pheromones on, too. Just felt like crap, even after taking a shower in the morning and a bath later in the day- I was in a cranky mood. Even with the pheromones, I didn’t do much today. I went out and did a few things with family members locally, but that was about it. I also wore my own homemade sandalwood and agarwood fragrance, and it wasn’t overpowered at all by the Ammo at 1 spray.

I wasn’t expecting any reactions, and I really didn’t get any to speak of, honestly. This was more like a “maintanence”. I do think the WAGG helped me have a little bit of fun and kept things chilled out. I think even 1 spray (10-20mcg) would have been OK, too.

I did get some incense goodies in the mail from a guy with a business appropriately named Snapes Closet (hope he doesn’t get sued for copywright infringement), and also from Agarscents Bazaar in San Francisco. Agarscents gave me some freebies with my agarwoods cones (they usually give freebies, a nice touch but I’ve practically got a collection of freebies now from various sites), such as a small piece of Chinese agarwood and a sample of a bakhoor (a fragranced wood you burn in a mabkhara/censerfor home/clothing fragrancing in Arab/Muslim countries). And of course, a few pieces of Japanese coated charcoal. The Chinese agarwood does indeed smell a bit like a barnyard, dung at first (I also smelled roasting popcorn type smells), while the Snapes package had cheaper Indian agarwood incense sticks (with sandalwood cores instead of bamboo- a nice touch for a cheaper stick), which to my nose smell similar to the agarwood cones when burned. A mildly sweet, soft but thick scent similar to tobacco (not cigarettes, more like some kinds of pipe tobacco), and vaguely mushroom and airy. The Burmese agarwood, OTOH, I have been wearing alot smells more medicinal, sort of like sandalwood but darker.

Incidentally, I smolder the agarwood on a charcoal in extremely small amounts- the size of two or three grains of rice, it’ll burn like that for a few minutes. My electric mabkhara should arrive, eventually, but for now I’ll stick with the charcoal in an old flowerpot holder. I also burned some copal today, which smells like dragon’s blood or frankincense, dark and medicinal. It was used by Aztecs and Mayans to sacrifice to their gods, and also sometimes used in Hispanic countries for El dia de los difuntos (Day of the Dead/Halloween), and also to ward off evil, etc. The Aztecs assosciated copal with the Jaguar.

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very interesting, you seem to use WAGG as the main base MOST of the time, and it seem to be working well for you.

althought I heard WAGG is a bit like spaceland, what exactly is in WAGG?
it is being reported by some people as almost TOO friendly and laid back. sort of like a status-lowering pheromones (opposite to A314) and people tend to step on them when they use it as a standalone.

i guess it all depends on the personal signature, it may suit some but not others.

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I don’t know if that happens or not. I tend to think not, and I really haven’t observed it. However, my personality is not the same as everybody else.

Also, I’m wearing my own custom formulation of WAGG- extra fixatives and dispersants, and diluted so I’m only wearing 1/2-1 drop.

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More WAGG today. I wore 25mcg WAGG + P-20, and Scent of Eros + 1 spray 5mcg androsterone.

My brother was telling me about a shop he said I should visit, that sells alot of incense and wiccan/pagan stuff, so I went there to check it out. I wasn’t sure what to expect and I was a little uneasy at first, but I think the WAGG helped me out. The lady at the shop had her kid there, and she was running around, etc. I ended up buying a few different kinds of incense ingredients or sticks (Japanese Nippon Kodo Pine, sounds interesting). I made some small talk about the Palo Santo I was buying, and she mentioned a few things about it, like suggesting I burn it on charcoals, etc. (BTW, now that I’ve burned Palo Santo, it smells like a light, airy wood with a Frankincense note).

I felt like I got a good reaction though with WAGG, it helped keep me from feeling like I was shutting down, especially in a situation I’ve never been in before. I was a bit worried because some of my brother’s pagan friends are a bit unhinged sounding, but the lady at the shop was very friendly, albeit somewhat quiet.

I need to try out TAK again just to compare the two, but I’m pretty sure the reactions are similar at this point.

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I have read your report as well your past reports that i missed buddy. Sorry i was busy with my stuff there :roll_eyes: Well your reports was interesting well your mom having a good conservation with the older Asian woman at the shop & the woman who hit your basket & then say sorry to you & put her hand on your shoulder, i have to agree that is the work of pheros for sure :slight_smile:

And i also agree that WAGG seem to have a good reaction to you like making you relaxed there while you are feeling unsure. Reps for your reports especially the report that the woman that said sorry to you there :slight_smile:

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I was in a cranky mood today, even with my usual pheromone mix. So, I have nothing good to report on pheromones, unfortunately. I wore WAGG and Instant Gentleman, plus a spray of Instant Honesty and I do think it helped somewhat, but I didn’t do alot today to interact with other people.

On an incense related note, I have been experimenting more with Japanese incenses. I got some “low smoke” incense from Shoyeido last week. Honoka (Sillhouette) and Oboro (Illusion). Compared to Indian incense, these sticks are thin. They are even thinner than the other Japanese incenses I have tried from Nippon Kodo. And the low smoke claim is absolutely true, when they burn, they give off no smoke, just vapors. However, Japanese incense isn’t exactly “smokey” to begin with, and I find these smokeless incenses to be rather faint and delicate in their character. Oboro is a more traditional Buddhist incense combo- agarwood, sandalwood, camphor, tumeric/saffron, clove. Honoka is lighter and has a Frankincense note along with agarwood and sandalwood. I still think I prefer Indian incense, especially sandalwood or nag champa, for meditation, but I need to experiment further.

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I’ve been feeling in a funk the last couple of days. Maybe depression comming back. I’ve been in a cranky, grouchy mood, too, and pheromones have probably been doing less and less for me. The neighbors were playing Country and Western music loud, so loud I could hear it through my window and it was driving me nuts, like Chinese water torture. I dislike most pop music but there’s a special place in my heart for my loathing of C&W :frowning: . OK, some of it is OK but most of it is the same song over and over again.

I have been trying some Japanese incenses I got a week ago, Oboro (Illusion) and Honoka (Sillhouette). They are “smokeless” incenses, very thin, and they have a very subtle odor to them. Oboro is a more traditional Buddhist incense with sandalwood, saffron, camphor, and clove, and Honoka is a lighter, more piercing smell with Frankincense, cassia, and sandalwood. They really are almost smokeless, too (only vapor), but because they are so thin, the odor they put out is weaker and does’t fill a room quite so fast. Japanese incenses are “low smoke” in general, though, because they are thinner than Indian or Chinese style joss sticks and use different ingredients, but the Shoyeido sticks are extra thin.

I still think nag champa is better for sef-hypnosis or meditation. Speaking of which, that’s been harder the last few days, another reason I think I’m in a funk.

I hope Androtics or other people on the forums don’t mind me tying up so much space with non-pheromone ramblings.

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Hmm, it seems that we are in the same boat buddy, i also have a bad week well it seem to be happening bad for me & my depression kick in bad :frowning: And well at least the pheros are helping me a bit there :roll_eyes: I can understand how you feel about those country & Western music & your neighbours that keep repeating it again which is very irritating. Try to get some ear plugs or try to listen to your favourite music using headphones, that might be able to help :slight_smile:

Interesting theory on Japanese incenses :slight_smile: I have learned more new info today :smiley:

Well i hope they don’t mind you typing up more space with non-pheromone rambling as i have learn some useful stuff from your journal buddy :slight_smile: But if they take action against you for this, i will take your side as you are my buddy man :roll_eyes: