Daedelus' journal

Why does it report a post I made today as being 3 days ago? Anyways, I’ll edit and update this later today.

I went to the mall earlier today, me and my brother got on the expressway and went to a different mall. I was wearing Scent of Eros, Instant Shine, and WAGG. The WAGG and Instant Shine had Glucam P-20 added. I only used 1 spray of each, maybe 12.5mcg WAGG. I was looking for a few things in the mall, but mostly we were being mall rats and not doing much of anything but looking around. We got friendly reactions from everyone, though my brother attributed it to a slumping economy and it being before noon and not many customers, so who knows. I think some of the clerks were disappointed we never bought much of anything. We went to Starbucks and the guy there was in a great mood, which I thought was sort of rare but I won’t exactly call it a pheromone reaction.

Your report there was interesting :slight_smile:, You & your brother getting friendly reactions there & the guy at Starbucks was in a great mood when you guys went there, this is all because of a pheromone reaction on my opinion. Keep on posting more reports buddy as i will be keeping track of it :slight_smile:

Hmm buddy what happen to your Glucam P-20 mixed with pheromones report? I noticed it is not here :confused:

So the glucam basically increases lasting power by lowering diffusion, which in turn lowers intensity? This could be good for creating more subtle hits or taming harsh products don’t you think?

It may decrease diffusion a little, especially in the first couple of minutes. I think the best dosage seems to be about 1-2 drops for every 5mL of carrier, assuming it’s a normal strength. Instant Shine lasted about 6 hours and I added about 1 drop to a 2.5 mL atomizer.

I went to the mall and grocery store later and I was feeling tired, esp. starting to come off Instant Shine (which gives me alot of self-effects, esp. on neck application, and sometimes I feel like crashing afterwards), but I was wearing Instant Opennesss with P-20. I couldn’t judge the reactions so well, though the self-effects felt very smooth, I was using about 1 drop in 2mL. I definitely felt some androsterone self-effects, though.

Phat, I think I accidentally deleted my report. Basicly, to repeat it, glucam P-20 is a gooey fluid, sort of like propylene glycol but gummier. It dissolves into alcohol or water, and also will dissolve into jojoba or mineral oil as long as you don’t use too much. It tends to slow the absorbtion of jojoba into the skin, though, unless you use a very small amount.

I also tested it out with some highly volatile essential oils yesterday, like olibanum oil (the non-resinous part of Frankincense), which only has a blotter life of 3 hours, but most humans can only really smell it much within 30 minutes to an hour without additional fixatives. It really prolongs the diffusivity of this oil- olibanum (frankincense) gives me some self-effects and P-20 seemed to intensify the effect. The smell was a bit less initially but it lasted longer, also the initial harshness wasn’t there when you apply it to, for instance, under your nose (I use 10 percent dilution).

I just wanted to add, a few days ago I think I found an OD reaction to maca and ginseng. Be careful combining the two. Actually I did it unintentionally drinking Pepsi Max and I ended up feeling like I was on an androstenone OD and I ended up pushing some peoples buttons a bit and being overly assertive and defensive.

I think maca root is something to handle with care, also the variety I have may not be the best, apparrently there are different varieties, such as red and white. They may have different glucosanoids that do different things, similar to Ginseng- American ginseng is alot milder than Asian ginseng, for instance.

Oh i see so that’s what happened to your report of glucam P-20 buddy, well it was an interesting report :slight_smile: so as you did take the risk to mix it with Instant Shine & Instant Openness. And wow it last around 6 hours :roll_eyes:, that is long :smiley: but got the disadvantage of decreasing the diffusion a little like you said.

Hmm, OD reaction from combining maca & ginseng, very interesting :slight_smile: Well buddy i learn a lot from you there & for that & your report, here is some reps from me & my thanks :slight_smile:

This is not exactly pheromone related but today I was experimenting around with my new synthetic aoud/agarwood, from the fragrance supply company Firmenich. Initially it smells a bit banyardy or like a horse stable, but not really fecal per se. I diluted it down to around 5 percent for smelling, which was very hard as this stuff is highly resinous and gooey unlike the Givaudan Black Agarwood synth. The smell is surprisingly light, and reminds me of carrot seeds or porcini mushrooms, it does not, however, remind me of most oud attars.

I mixed the resulting mixture 50/50 with some Givaudan Agarwood at 20 percent strength, then added a few drops of rose absolute, and it does sort of remind me of an oud attar, though it smells somewhat synthetic or generic and doesn’t have the raw quality to it of the real thing. Interestingly enough there’s a mild TAK like effect, a slightly mellow feeling from wearing this stuff and for some reason and the sillage feels “slippery” or buttery for lack of a better term. It may not exactly smell quite like real oud but it definitely feels similar. This mixture might be good for diluting with real oud to produce something that is similar to the real thing, yet costs alot less.

So, my conclusion for this brief report is that the Firmenich synthetic has some interesting feel but the Givaudan is just more interesting and has more body to it, and would probably be the more convincing of the two if used alone. I suspect both Firmenich and Givaudan are making these synthetics for western perfumers, which typically use agarwood in a symphony of other notes, whereas Arab or Indian perfumes tend to use it more as “lead player” that dominates or pushes the fragrance in different directions.

Nice experiments, and excellent info there Daedelus76! reps!

P.S: your avatar is very funny!! lol!

Yes, it’s a joke for all the ladies for commenting on my wolf :slight_smile: Thank you for stopping by and giving me some reputation points.

BTW, I had more experience yesterday with that synthetic aoud, and it really is some beautiful stuff after you wear it for a while. It’s very ethereal and airy, probably a bit like those Indonesian agarwoods I have heard about, the ones that are said to have very beautiful and unusual scents. I actually wore it yesterday blended with some rose and Burmese agarwood, which took some work because I cannot source some good rose otto at the moment, so initially the rose was very feminine smelling and I ended up diluting down the rose heavily with agarwood. I need to find real rose otto, though, undiluted, and that’s tricky.

I wore Scent of Eros and Instant Honesty spiked with P-20 and a little extra musk today and yesterday and got decent reactions from people, and like I said all those aouds seem to make people a bit mellow. I did run into this one woman yesterday at the herbal supply shop that wouldn’t give me much eye contact, but she never does. I don’t know what he issue is, I looked into her eyes initially and then she just stared at the counter the rest of the time. She also loves talking to inanimate objects. Maybe she’s just eccentric. She does carry some nice essential oils, though. Now I’m up to my nose in Frankincense :slight_smile:

I also wore a custom perfume oil blend I made, maybe I’ll share it, since I’ll probably improve on it in the future. It’s fairly simple:

2 drops frankincense/olibanum oil, 2 drops myrrh, 1 drop galaxolide musk (white musk/musk ambrette) fragrance oil, 1 drop amber fragrance oil, 4 drops carrier oil.

Very nice but a little light. But then Rome wasn’t built in a day. And of course some people would probably really like a medium-weight fragrance like that, so I’ll be sure to log it into my notes on my computer.

A good report & interesting info plus great explaination on your fragrance theory that you got there buddy :slight_smile: So you got decent reaction wearing Scent of Eros & Instant Honesty spiked with glucam P-20, hmm that’s good :slight_smile: Reps for you & btw a funny but nice avatar that you got there :smiley:

Phat, you should try out agarwood/oud some time… Singapore is the epicenter of Asian agarwood trade practically and you can probably buy it cheaper than here in the US. I’m not sure it would be your style but everybody should try it just once.

Hmm, well yes buddy i could try out agarwood/oud but where can i find them in Singapore? Can i find them at perfumeshops? And how much cheaper is it compared to the US? Well i was thinking why not try it out but it must be suitable for my budget there :roll_eyes:

There is a seller in Singapore named Ham Firl. I’m not familiar with where exactly he’s located, but it’s my understanding there’s an area of Singapore with alot of shops that have various valuable trade goods such as woods, oils, and so forth. The name of his business is QT Trading or Qanaat. He sells sandalwood and agarwood attars, and also incense cones, sticks, and bulk wood for burning in bakhoors/incense.

I bought some Cambodian oud from him off eBay for about $19 dollars which is a decent price, and I got it in a few weeks which was decent since I only payed $2 shipping. 3mL of oud could last you a really long time since it’s so strong. In the US highly diluted Burmese oud would cost about $25 dollars from other suppliers. Of course the Cambodian oud is not top quality but it’s still oud. Really high grade oud can cost $90-140 dollars for just a mL.

Oud isn’t commonly available in the US at all outside of San Francisco or other large US cities. It is in a few colognes and perfumes sold in the US though, though I doubt there is much real stuff- Dirty English is a good example of a mainstream cologne with “agarwood”, also M7 and others. If you want to try out a real high-end fragrance, Montale Black Aoud has quite a bit of agarwood, too, but it’s quite expensive, about $100 dollars or so for a large bottle. I only tried the sampler vial, and while it’s quite good, it’s not worth $100 bucks for a large bottle (admittedly, it’s perfume and not cologne- so it lasts a long time), not when I can buy decent agarwood attars for $19 dollars… or make my own.

The scent might not be so exotic and unusual for you, though, since Malaysia and that area has alot of agarwood, sandalwood, and so forth. The smell is similar to sandalwood, just depends on the variety- it also can smell a bit like labdanum or olibanum (Frankincense or rock rose, as we’d call it in the Western world), or even mushrooms like I described earlier. There is a Malaysian/Indonesian variety of agarwood that is quite light and airy and I’ve talked to people who say it gets great reactions from people who have never smelled it before, very intoxicating smell, but also very light.

update: I found out where Ham Firl is. He’s at 109 Riverwalk, in Singapore. I might order some bakhoor wood or Frankincense resin from him one of these days, if I can’t find it elsewhere. He has some really wacky stuff, too, like a car burner for burning wood in your car :open_mouth: (sounds unsafe). What you really need is some kind of vaporizer/hot plate for home, but you’ld have to be careful where you order that from over here or you might get the cops busting your ass (drug paraphenalia).

Anyways, just a thought. BTW… what colognes do you usually wear? Maybe I could recommend you something more mainstream you could find in a designer shop, who knows… You can send me a PM, that’d be OK. See you later!

Hmm, very interesting information you got there buddy :slight_smile: Ok so the high grades ones are expensive & the low grade ones are cheaper :roll_eyes: So i see that Oud is rare in the US as you say it is not commonly available to get it there.

Ok thanks for the address :slight_smile:, i will check that place out if i got the time. Whoa, car burner are you serious buddy? Ok i will pmed you later about what type of fragrance i use :slight_smile: See ya :slight_smile:

Today I went to an herbal/aromatherapy shop that wasn’t too far away and I picked up some incense and charcoal. I have been experimenting around with incense, for self-effects and also some meditation, and I made my own homemade censer, and so on. Mostly nag champa, sandalwood cones, also an Indian incense called chandan (sandalwood), and Tibetan tara and green tara incense. I ordered some Frankincense resin and also some more agarwood cones… but back to the story of what really happened.

In the shop I picked up a few things and looked around a bit, and there was a young lady working there today, a blond about my height (5’ 8) and she made alot of eye contact with me. I was wearing Scent of Eros and Instant Gentleman (I ran out of scent of eros in my travel roll on, going to refill it). It was interesting and I’m not sure if pheromones were involved, but I believe I came across as very interesting. I asked her a few questions if she had any tea-light candle or oil-lamp censers, and she didn’t completely understand, so I explained it to her a bit and while I was explaining it to her, I was making alot of eye contact and she kept looking at me like what I was saying was really fascinating, like perhaps I was very cool, maybe she doesn’t see alot of men in that shop (I’ve only seen women go in there, honestly). I also tried smiling, a little bit, but I’m afraid it wasn’t a big smile. She smiled at me when I told her “thank you. Good Bye” at the end of the transaction/purchase when I took my bag and left.

Oh yeah, I was also wearing a perfume I got from Agarscents Bazaar, it’s an Indian perfume, a large sample that I was given (3mL), it smells a bit like sandalwood or nag champa but suppossedly it’s a musk-based blend, but it doesn’t really smell like it- it’s not expensive so I imagine the musk is synthetic anyways. I was reeking a bit of it too. It must be the real deal for sandalwood because it sure smelled like it, like no other synthetic I’ve ever tried, warm and sweet, almost like Nag Champa. If it’s fake, it must be a really good synthetic because this stuff smelled way better than the Aussie sandalwood I’ve encountered. Self-effects from sandalwood seem real to me, it puts me in a quieter, more thoughtful state, but that could just be assosciation perhaps. And this was before I wore pheromones of course. Maybe sandalwood affects other people, too? I’ve also noticed nobody ever reacts negatively even when I wear alot of aoud and smell like a hospital :slight_smile: It’s like I’m still a cool dude wearing pheromones, but maybe it’s making me seem extra mysterious or interesting? Perhaps the aromatherapy effects also tweak the pheromone effects, too. I wonder what a small amount of androstenone plus alot of sandalwood would do?

lol, ah I see! wolves can be hott too lol

Very interesting info there! I’ve always wondered about rose oil does it smell like rose water? (Ugh! I dislike the smell of rose water, it makes me feel sick)

Good for you! lol, I think that it’s nicer to make our own parfums sometimes, and it makes them unique too!

Well, the wolf was greatly offended that some ladies implied he gobbled up women. For the record, he’s a vegetarian :slight_smile: So I replaced him with Homer Simpson, who belches, farts, does NOT go to the gym, and wears briefs. :smiley:

nice journal, got some funny stuff in it :smiley:

Whoa buddy, the ladies implied that your wolf gobbled up women? Well your wolf is a different type of wolf a vegetarian wolf :smiley: Too bad you have to change your wolf to Homer Simpson who like burp, belches, farts a lot, does not go to gym, like to eat big donuts, like to say “doh” and wear briefs :stuck_out_tongue:

Anyway good report on your Scent of Eros & Instant Gentlemen combo & your interesting info about fragrance :slight_smile: Reps given to you already :slight_smile:

Today I just wore 1 spray of Ammo to start off the day, rode down to the grocery store on my scooter. Later I put on some WAGG + P-20 I’d been testing out, 2 sprays, about 25mcg. I don’t think Ammo is so great honestly but I’ll use it up anyways, the first long while I’ve worn Ammo. BTW, to my nose the scent of Ammo smells like it has vetiver in there. Not bad but it’s not my style. Fortunately it’s not that strong and is pretty much unnoticeable.

All in all, I think I tolerated Ammo rather well, but I’d have to test it out more in the future. For now, Instant Gentleman and Scent of Eros are my safe bets. I also think burning incense and wearing more essential-oils and purer perfumes seems to alter the effects somewhat, imparting a calmer feeling. Ammo with a light neroli would probably be more my style. I think Ammo also has a bit of alpha-androstenol in there too because I was fairly chatty for several hours. It’s actually a little annoying because I find alpha-androstenol doesn’t make me the greatest conversationalist- I tend to talk about myself moreso. Something I’ll have to unlearn.