OK, so I have researched this topic pretty extensively on the forum, but no one seems to agree, which has left me a bit confused. If you use a fragranced antiperspirant (not a super heavy fragrance) applied only to your armpits, can this negatively affect pheromones applied to your application points? Some people say it can, some say it can’t.
I don’t see how it possibly could unless you rolled deodorant on your application points, but I figured I’d ask. I know the antiperspirant does get rid of the natural pheromones in your armpits: but that doesn’t really matter to me since I’m applying synthetic pheromones anyways.
Diffusion partly means the fragrance molecule is attracted to the mones by molecular and atomic forces (electron charge); it depends upon the exact molecules involved/generalizations are scientifically impossible.
What molecules would you need to know about to come to a conclusion or at least educated guess? I could provide details, I’m just not sure what you’re looking for.
The best way is to try it with and without to see what suits you best - IME you will probably find it much better without.
Its not just the fragrance molecules that are the root of the issue - You also need to consider the secondary components and propellants in the aerosol as well. Some aerosols do use components that are quite suitable but not many IME. I’ve done far better since I ditched the lot of them.
Also, you need to consider the aerosol vapour in the atmosphere after around you after spraying - This can hang in the air for a surprisingly long time and has the potential to be pretty damaging to pheros already on your skin as well as any you apply at the time. Although I suppose it would be viable to spray the aerosol in one room, wait a little while to let it settle, then go to a different room to spray your pheros - However that’s getting a little OCD for my tastes. Better to use something you know won’t waste time or pheros to begin with.
And you don’t really wat to get rid of your natural pheros - More its that you use the synthetic ones to complement and steer your natural production. So to that end, anything that messes with your natural production beyond decent personal care is not a good thing at all.
I don’t use aerosol deodorants, though, I use a simple roll-on stick by Degree. So in that situation, can the synthetic pheromones still be affected negatively?
If this is actually an issue, I think Androtics Direct should address the concerns formally. I would assume that most people, especially those who are new to pheromones, wouldn’t be using any sort of specialized deodorant.
Lots of people use conventional/antiperspirant deodorants and also wash off their natural pheromones every day with showering. Is it really necessary for synthetic pheromones to complement your natural production in these circumstances? I thought the products were strong enough to stand on their own.
These concerns and others should be addressed by Androtics Direct.
Roll-ons are much less of a problem, yes - other than what they do to your natural production - So long as you keep them away from your phero app points, all should be ok.
Showering itself is not that damaging to your natural production as it recovers pretty quickly. IME its then dowsing yourself in phero-stifling/trapping cosmetics that do the most damage. Your natural phero signature is also very likely to be a lot more complex and responsive to environmental/physical conditions compared to any synthetic mix - so to that end, its maybe not advisable to lose or obliterate it with over-strong synthetics. “Strength” is one of the most common mistakes people make in phero use - stronger is seldom if ever better than the right amount.
Yes, I agree that “less is more” with pheromones. The problem, though, is the amount of sweating. Without antiperspirant, I’m likely to have stains on my shirts, specifically in the armpit region. Natural deodorants aren’t always an option, although I may give it a try.
Is there really that big of difference between using natural deodorant like Crystal and using antiperspirants? Do you notice significantly more hits?
If you stay with speed stick and keep mones away I see few problems. Fragrance is meant to attract lipophilic mones away from skin-surface lipids and into the air (a fluid).
If you notice the list of ingredients, the main antiperspirant ingredient is aluminum. I think it’s a little ridiculous for a natural cosmetics company to stick aluminum in their products, because avoiding aluminum is among the main reasons that people seek out natural deodorants. The body doesn’t have an efficient way to detox itself from aluminum, and a buildup of aluminum deposits is thought to be a contributing factor in various issues, including Alzheimer’s.
Jason makes a line of deodorant that is pretty strong, and might be a good option for someone with particular needs.
I was making other changes apace with it, so I can’t entirely claim it was ditching the antiperspirant/deodorants but yes, I did notice a significant improvement results, so I reckon its a part of the picture at least.
Actually, increased sweating didn’t become a problem for me - in fact it is possible that the effects of certain mones actually helped reduce my propensity to sweat. I also discovered that a surprising amount of women do get incredibly turned-on by a little fresh, “healthy” sweat -esp when combined with the right mones/cologne, so that in itself was a positive improvement.
Well you know for mones studies they cleared the bacteria microflora with ethanol so they could induce clean sweat with adrenaline injection. Electricity also induces sweat. It is easier to rid the bacteria than cover it. 91% isopropanol should do it. Shaved armpits and shaving body hair in general is one thing proven to rid odor. Kill mones too sadly. Mones come about from the pilosebaceous unit of terminal (pigmented) hair. Groin chest armpit. Benzalkonium wet wipes may work also. Less toxic than triclosan. You dont want to screw with pH too much.
Terminal hair is critical to mone production. Which is why yeah you can get in theory 3% alpha nol conversion but not much without being near hairy areas. The bacteria live near the hair / no hair no or very little bacteria. I have not read the study but it jives with other sources. Kohl is usually solid with his science except I think he is off in his -enone thinking. Then again he is the scientist not me!
A great many - Coming out of a long dry spell after a bad breakup. So all aspects of appearance, presentation, positive body language, sociability, interaction and attitude were up for change.
Oh they do - some are better than others certainly and with the crystal type there was a changeover period lasting few weeks before its full effectiveness became apparent. I’d put this down to a change in the bacterial flora as a result of using the crystal rather than its outright obliteration.
That’s out of the frying pan and into the fire! - Benzalkonium may be less toxic than Triclosan overall but it is not without risks, esp where long term exposure and respiritory problems are concerned.
