So i’m at the same bar earlier on this evening. I’m gettin a bit tired and decide to head home cause i’m on my bike, as i’m walkin to my bike i see that same girl so i’m thinkin i’ll say hello as she walks by, she gets closer and then totally avoids eye contact, head down, eyes down, left right.
What should i do next time i see her? I’m thinkin she’s totally not interested, but them i’m not sure if it’s something to do with the reaction i got while wearing the phero’s a few weeks ago.
Give me the honest truth, i’m a grown man, i can take it. 
I avoid making eye contact with strangers most of the time. Why? It’s a big city and there’s simply too many people (plus crazies) out there to entertain even the most subtle communication. For a woman, eye contact with strangers can be dangerous. They might think she likes them and get in trouble. Plus, if that’s you in the avatar, the facial hair says “thug” to a lot of women and can be initially frightening.
you missed your oportunity. Once she showed up and you make eye contact, you have 3 seconds to initiate. Otherwise don’t even try. The fact that she avoided eye contact upon your second encounter furthers that she sees you as an afc because you blew the oportunity and now she think you are one of those guys who stares her down and tired to talk to her when she doesn’t want them to.
If you run into a similar situation with her again, and feel the need to talk to her give her some shit for being rude to you.
Dude are you serious? 
I doubt i’ll say anything to her.
This girl could be the only one that’s your type in the entire area for all I know 
The rule is never chase, but if you wanted to, be sure to give her shit for being rude.
I did not know that, didn’t think i ever came across as threatening.
She is very attractive but to tell you the truth i just want to see if i can get her attention using phero’s. You know, get her thinking “Wow i was totally wrong about this guy” I’m thinking of going back once i get some A314, i don’t want to risk running into her beforehand.
What do you think?
I think it works the other way around. You have to attract her, then use the pheromones to real her in. Yes they help with attraction, but most of the work is on you buddy.
She could just be too self-involved. Then forget her…
I don’t think the girl is rude…it’s just that we have to know the right way to approach a woman…
I got a similar thing happening to me!
Btw I am a new user! I wore my mix around some girl friends that I have but it didn’t seem to be working, no change, nothing out of the ordinary. This is my second day wearing pheros and I haven’t seen any change. Except one or two times but I’m not sure if it was because of the pheros.
This is what happened with the first day: I went out to buy some stuff and I though I should give the mones a try. When I was paying in line this lady/HB behind me maybe late 20’s early 30’s just starts to smile at me but the HB that was next to me maybe 19-22 is not even looking at me.! Dont know what happened there but the older HB followed me all the way out but I wasn’t interested because I am only looking for 18-22 year olds.
The next day I was on my way to one of my college classes and I stop by to talk to this girl I have never met before, but she knew one of my friends, so I stopped and asked her name and her friends name that she was with and I did noticed some type of nervousness like rubbing her hands together frequently and tapping on her knees, BTW she was on the floor sitting down, that gave me a clear sing she was interested! I couldn’t talk with her or her friend any longer because class was starting, but after class I saw her one the hall way once again and she saw me, so she quickly turned around just to say hi to me! I knew then that she was really interested!
Anyways that was the best one I’ve had so far, I am not sure if it was because of the pheros or if she really did just like me and I never knew!
What do you guys think I should do? I haven’t seen any real attraction as of jet, no eye contact, no changes in my friends. Or is it that I just need to talk to more new girls?
My mix has been:
2 Spray Ammo on neck.
3 Spray Honesty on hair and T-shirt on chest.
3 Spray Shine on back of neck.
The issue is not whether she was rude or not.
Nor is it a matter of misogynistically “putting someone down” to lower their self-esteem. The idea that Hot Babes have to be diminished and devalued is a misapplication of a true principle.
It relates to one thing only: your credibility. In a situation where you wish to gain the standing or reputation of believability, you have to tell someone something that is not and cannot be considered flattery.
(Over time, you can demonstrate your honesty and objectivity by giving both encouraging / positive feedback as well as by noting behaviors or results that you would discourage / consider negatives.)
But, in introducing yourself to a stranger in a bar or club, you have a few seconds to “hook” that person. In writing a novel, you want a quick “hit on character” and the start of a “dramatic conflict” in the first page.
So it is with introducing yourself to a stranger … and why “cocky-funny” is so successful. In those first thirty seconds, you find a way to deliver a nominally “critical” message in an amusing/teasing/cocky/funny way.
And that’s exactly why, done well, teasing that HB about being rude to you will engage her. She’s used to people flattering her – and she’s learned to be suspicious of that flattery. If you are honestly confident of yourself, and not needy, then you have the freedom to approach her with no trace of flattery. And you can signal this by being honest about something that is normally considered a “negative” – but communicating it in an artful / humorous / creative way.
It is not a matter of putting her down to “display higher value” in comparison to her “lowered value.” It’s a matter of demonstrating that you value her enough to be honest, even about unflattering things … but that you are also kind enough to make that unflattering criticism lightly, “with a spoonful of sugar … to help the medicine go down.”
There is a famous phrase in US law (Supreme Court Justice Southerland) that goes “The legal right of a taxpayer to decrease the amount of what otherwise would be his taxes, or altogether avoid them, by means which the law permits, cannot be doubted.”
I say: *“The right of a suitor to decrease the amount of effort required to achieve open communication with a target of interest by truthful verbal gymnastics, cannot be doubted.”
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I don’t think she was being rude either. It’s a neg of the worst kind. You would make her feel bad that she treated you poorly, and you dhv because you called her out on it. It doesn’t necessarily have had to happen, just the possibility that her actions displayed rudness to you.
What does it mean.. after 3 seconds… if she keeps looking at you over and over again any you didn’t initiate those 1st 3 seconds?
As a woman, can I just chip me two pence worth in here?
I used to behave like that sometimes - it’s because I used to be shy and have low self-esteem.
If a guy I was attracted to looked like he was about to talk to me, or perish the thought, actually tried to talk to me. I would panic - thinking “oh my god, what I am going to say?” And if I could leave hurriedly, or run away, I would.
If I didn’t “run” I would get stressed and nervous and literally “freeze” and, if standing, I would conduct the entire conversation while staring at my feet (and in a somewhat squeaky voice) or if sitting grab my handbag and rummage though it (although I was not really looking for anything).
It could be, without being there I can’t be sure it is - that this girl is just very shy. Is that a possibility here do you think? If so beating on her case is just going to make her run away even faster next time.
This is one of my concerns with the mystery method - it makes little allowance for shyness or self-esteem issues. If some of the negs in there had been said to me - I would have just thought - “yeah, he’s right” and swallowed it.
Tease and slightly playful negs I could have dealt with easily but not some of the more pointed stuff in the book. I am sure some of the more experienced guys here do take that on board. Because, weird as it sounds, even drop-dead beautiful women can have major self-esteem issues - in fact they are more often likely to have problems because so little interest is shown in them beyond their surface layers.
Just my two pence worth!
May
Yeah, what she did wasn’t rude. Telling her off is rude.
Also, what’s an HB? I’m guessing that whole thing was “Hot babe, about an 8.85 out of 10”?
just do it and talk to her, i mean wtf can u lose. Worst case scenario she cusses you out but then that’d make her a flaming bitch who’s got anger issues so yea have some balls and do whatever the hell you want. Confidence damn it, tell yourself that you’re the SHIT and just do it
Word up. There’s never anything to lose with a stranger. It may have been said already, but if you want to test your pheromones on her, don’t think that they alone will make her come to you. You can either play it slick on her or be blatantly interested. I’d normally go with slick though. Blatant interest is only good if the other is as well. Then it’s fucking HOT.
I read that too back in the day. But it’s a bit gamey.
I prefer honesty, unless you really feel she was being rude. But then why get to know her? When I play games it messes with my head and feelings. The feeling of absolute integrity gives you a deeper, literal confidence, ultimately; and therefore a deeper attractiveness.
Not to brag, and I get lonely a lot, and still haven’t found the right one; but I’ll put the numerous real, deep, smart women I’ve been with up against the endless bimbos most PUA’s have been with any time. The goal is a happy romantic and sexual life, however that happens for you; not a number, which is somewhat randomly related to romantic/sexual satisfaction. If I told you you could have all the partners you wanted but would be frustrated and unhappy with your romantic life, would you sign up and devote yourself to that path?
My feeling is that the woman might give you another chance sometime if you have your shit together. If you are confident and charming, light, and don’t push or expect things; do you think she will really hold it against you forever that you were once shy around her? Women are human, at least some of the time. 
Look, women aren’t idiots, at least truly desirable ones. She knows you were afraid of her. What is the best remedy? Simply achieve the necessary confidence; and let go of the outcome.
You are not going to click with most hot women anyway, no matter how perfect you are, because that’s the way nature is. Most people aren’t our style. If you are fearless or courageous from now on, problem solved. But you aren’t going to want to talk to all the HB’s, unless you like to waste time. So don’t put it on yourself if the interaction bombs, and don’t try all that much. You just don’t want to miss out on the ones you naturally would click with, IMHO. It shouldn’t take that much effort, in that case.
Bravo!
May