Extended periodization program for pheromones (long post)

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Since posting here I’ve seen numerous threads and posts about the problem/issue/whatever of people growing accustomed to your signal. By the same token there’s the issue of your signal changing too dramatically from one day the next, which in my opinion carry the risk of the vibe people getting from you feeling too inconsistant and therefor people may get a sense of you not being somebody they truly know and thus not trustworthy.

So this gave me a problem to solve, how can I continue to get solid hits from people I know (as well as strangers) without them getting accustomed to the signal making my mones ineffective, and at the same time create a sense of consistency and reliability? The answer in my opinion comes from weight training/body building theory. In weight lifting you want progressive resistance in the form of either volume or intensity. However if all you do is add more weight each workout you will get stale and find you stop making gains, likewise if all you do is try to add more reps. The way around it is a progressive periodization model. By following a long term pheromone usage program that is planned and organized to have fluctuating levels of intensity, volume and direction, you can go stronger and stronger with your signal through sixteen stages. The variation from one stage to the next will be strong enough that each progression should create a “fresh hit” and avoid people growing so used to your signal that their brain learns to ignore it, but minimal enough not to create a an effect of "this guy seems different every time I see him…I don’t know if I can trust him.

The program is well rounded and designed with the assumption of you “wanting it all” from mones. It incorporates Rone based respect products, None based attraction/sexual products, Nol based socials, and Instant Shine. If followed and accompanied with congruent behaviors the heavier products should be buffered enough for this to be used in a work/school environment with little or no ill effect. If you do notice during certain stages that your Rone seems too intimidating, or your None signal seems too agressive or overly sexual you can add a single shot each of IO and Shine to the mix to help buffer it.

Now so as not to waste your pheromones and their effects, consider all the places you frequent on a regular/semi-regular basis, if you’re interested in gaining attraction from a lot of women consider places where you know attractive women are. For example, There’s a very attractive hair stylist I know of so I’ll be making sure to see her regularly. I know what bank has the most attractive tellers for me to cash my check at on payday, what grocery store has cute checkers etc. This model is designed for you to be progressively more attractive, dominant and alpha and at the same time more social and approachable as people are exposed to it. So try and frequent places locations that have potential on a regular basis.

Now there are a couple of ways to progress through the levels. Any one is as good as the other.
Option A.) The first two weeks of the month at level 1, take a week off and the last week of the month at level 2. Then the first two weeks of the second month at level 2, then a week off and the last week at level 3. etc. Since I get paid and will therefor be hitting the bank every two weeks, I grocery shop every two weeks, get my haircut etc. This is the model I’ll be following. This way in addition to the people I see every day, the people I deal with only semi regularly will be getting progressive hits as well. The people I see daily will get no more than a week of mone free exposure before I go back but at a stonger mix that should hit hard and be very effective.

Option B.) Level 1 for a weeek, then 2 then 3 then take a week off, and take a step back and go level 2, then 3 then 4, take a week off and go level 3, then 4 then 5 etc.

Now I’m sure there are other plans you can come up with on your own that suit your situation and lifestyle better. Feel free to try and experiment with your own. Mine might seem like a slow progression but after presenting the levels themselves I’ll explain why each one is the way it is. I go by monthly cycles because I’m looking more for long term effects. Here’s the model itself followed by my explaination of the logic behind it.

01.) IGX1
02.) IGX2
03.) MX297X1
04.) MX297X1/IGX1
05.) MX297X2
06.) MX297X1 + AmmoX1
07.) A314X1 + AmmoX2 + IOX1
08.) A314X1/IGX1 + AmmoX3 + IOX2
09.) A314X1/MX297X1 + AmmoX2/TuTHX1 + IOX3
10.) A314X2 + AmmoX1/TuTHX2 + IOX2/CTTM2X1
11.) A314X1/IGX2 + TuTHX3 + IOX1/CTTM2X2
12.) A314X1/IGX1/MX297X1 + TuTHX2/MX301X1 + CTTM2X3
13.) A314X1/MX297X2 + TuTHX1/MX301X2 + CTTM2X2/IHX1
14.) A314X2/IGX1 + MX301X3 + CTTM2X1/IHX2
15.) A314X2/MX297X1 + MX301X2 + IHX3
16.) A314X3 + MX301X1 + IHX2

regarding Instant Shine I left that out of the model because how and when you use it can vary depending on how you progress. You can use two or three sprays consistently, or you can use three sprays when going back to mones after a week off to help buffer against a negative shock and two sprays the following week since your None and Rone aren’t so fresh as to be sensed as overy intimidating or sexual anymore. It will realy depend on you and how you feel you need it.

Now, you notice I start off with respect but friendly approachable respect. This is key as eventually A314 becomes the centerpiece of this model. I use no more than three doses of any base type product. IE I could use one spray each of IG and 297 and a drop of A314, or three drops of A314 and any combination in between. Likewise with None and Nols.
After several stages of building status and respect which are attractive in and of themselves I go into adding Ammo and escalating it’s quantity. Then one spray at a time shifting from Ammo to TuTH for an escalating sexuality, then to MX301 Since 301 has more None than either Ammo or TuTH, but also has Beta Nol, and the boyfriend qualities of P93 and P74 it comes last to take advantage of the status and attraction built up during earlier stages.

You’ll also note that after the first week of Ammo I introduce the Nol based products. Since the Rone and None are becoming more intense the Nols will help buffer them. We progress from IO to CTTM2 to IH, this progression will help professionally by starting you off as a fun likable guy gradually evolving into a more trustworthy and reliable one. It will also help women that get regular exposure to your signal to feel a gradually growing sense of connection with you. It makes logical sense since both IO and Ammo contain Anol, and MX301 and IH contain Bnol so your None and Nols will compliment and work together.

Some might be concerned with wearing TuTH to work or school but I’m pretty certain that while TuTH as a standalone might be a bit much, when buffered against the Rone and Nols and coupled with some Instant Shine it should simply communicate that you’re a sexy and sexual man. If however it turns out to be too much then as I stated earlier you can always add a shot each of IO and shine to buffer it further.

Now how often you have to refresh your mones is up to you. A314 should last most of your day and not need a refresh unless you plan on going out in the evening and want the effects for where you’re going. Myself I’ll be applying everything right before work in the morning, then again at the end of my lunch break, only refreshing in the lat afternoon/early evening if I plan on going out.

You can do 4 days a week, say Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday, 5 days a week Monday through Friday, or 6 days a week if you like. As for myself I’ll keep it organized but varying. Monday off one week, then Tuesday the next, then Wednesday and finally Thursday. I’ll only take a Friday off if I;m NOT going to places that I frequent on a semi monthly basis. IE I won’t go get my haircut on an offday since the people there aren’t exposed to me very often anyway. And I’ll never take a Saturday off.

By the time you reach the end of the program, you’ll be carrying a very strong Alpha Male signal of 3 drops of A314, females that get exposed to you for any length of time will have gone from Ammo attraction, to a more intense TuTH sexuality to a more relationship based MX301 signal and your progress from a fun Anol heavy signal to a more serious and sinscere Bnol signal enhances both the progression of your None signature and your Rone based status signature. The combo of one day off a week and one week off a month in organized fashion coupled with escalting volume and intensity should keep people you see regularly reacting without becoming immune to your signature.

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I think you also need to take into account personality and how that plays a major factor of not “going stale.” I like to mix things up often and while when I go out I tend to wear certain mixes knowing the results from those mixes for certain occasions. I will however always add in a large portion of me into that equation and thus come out with different results and as such keep from people getting used to my signature.

On that note I would say that if I change up who I am often and portray a different side of me, it keeps people guessing and never have I created a lack of trust or inconsistency but in fact my differing signature or personality has actually increased interest in me by, well being interesting.

I think the act of mixing things up can actually be quite beneficial, but that’s not to say that some people can overdo it. Where they might actually get the trust factor, or lack thereof is from the lack of congruency. So if they are changing mones like I hope they change socks :slight_smile:, and never really connecting with it, then having a system could very well work. For one it will help them build the confidence in themselves first and it will take this confidence for anyone else to have the confidence and therefore trust in them.

You can’t trust someone who doesn’t trust themselves.:slight_smile:

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Reps to Radman.

That just seems to be an intensive progression to just switch signatures. I mean overall how you act can alone be the difference in how other women perceive you. I can wear A314 AMMO IS and still have the IJ vibe and it works because of how you are with your communication skills. Long standing attraction and tension can be built up with words and actions alone.

Granted I always almost all the time have A314 on me at all times with any mix but I’ve interacted with women with AMMO/MX297/IG/MX301/Putatives and I’ve gotten pretty much similar results. I base my mixes mostly on venue and how I’m dressed for the most part. Look at it this way. I hung out with this girl at a bar/club setting and used MX297 with other pheromones and got amazing results. I used MX301/IG for another interaction in outdoor venues, and had the same amazing results. Two completely different sigs, same great outcome. What was the difference? One venue I was more James Bondish, the other I was more of the bradley cooper type of personality.

It makes it more fun, it makes it more appealing that they have great experiences at different times with the same guy and they don’t have the same type of personality at different types of places.

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Really great thread by Radman, I don’t think it received enough attention.
There’s some great theory behind this post Rad! Thanks for sharing.

My own program was not as intense, but similar in style in that I started off with my EX Mix and sort of detailed it here in my journal: The not so gentlemanly adventures of TheGentleman - #38 by thegentleman

I noticed when I moved into the bonding phase with IH, my EX put up some resistance. I don’t think she was ready to be that comfortable with me again, however I went to 1/2 sprays of TOGO and reeled her back in and worked it up to 1 spray of quad strength IH.

I agree with P51 and Steve in that sometimes its great to mix things up. But if you have an overall plan with a particular target in mind, I think its best to make some of those changes slower or you could cause some tension in that line and next thing you hear snap and she’s gone.

I recall when I first started to wear A314, my ex started right in with the shit tests as I’m sure she was thinking to herself, “who the hell does he think he’s foolin’?”

If I had seen this thread before, I would’ve followed a lot of this, maybe sped it up just a bit tho’.

Good work as always buddy!

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Nice post Rad!
The weight lifting idea is great and is kind of used in basic workout pla P90x. They switch the musclegroups that are centered on every video so yo don’t plateau on one group of muscles. They just keep switching it up, but they dont switch it up so much that you neglect the other muscles that you already ‘passed’ either… kind of the same idea.

I always have a base of A314 with IS or IH… (IS might be replaced by P130 if I can buy more at the store… great stuff) and a little bit of none depending on if i’m at work or out. Then on the weekend I’m usually out partying or at the bar, where I will add more none into the mix. During the normal week I use my normal A314 mix above and add in some other things to test my base mix with and test things from there. I think this allows me to test new things, as well as
a - keep my basic mone base normal, to not stray too far from normal
but also
b- keep things different or changing enough to not be ‘boring’ if you will.
This is kind of how I do the same thing you’re talking about.

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Awesome post RADMAN!!!

I can relate to the workout theory. And I can also seeing that you can also add the HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) method to it as well to combine Steve’s mixing up philosophy and allowing the increasing having the gradual increase of your signature. The best of both worlds.

My question though: by following the increased signature, wouldn’t that be somewhat of a big “shock” to those who are not around you all the time? Sure people around you who see you regularly will get the benefit or the subtle yet increasing sig, but what about those who you see maybe once every 3 months? Or ones you just met? I know using the other buffers to reduce the none a bit, but still…

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Radman you never cease to stop amazing me.

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LOL huh? was that a “neg?” haha…because the way its phrased as though he always stops amazing you.

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Nah man Radman has helped me with so many different questions. Rep for a great thread

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Well you’ll note that I never use more than 3 sprays/drops of any product. I’m not too worried about the Ammo and MX301, Ammo is fairly well buffered as it is and 301 even moreso. Then factor in the Nol and Rone based products as further buffers I’m not too concerned. The only one that’s an X factor is TuTH. But you’ll also notice that by the time TuTH comes into play I’ve worked up to the full three applications each of Rone and Nol products to maximize the buffering.
I’ve analyzed not only the progression but how each individual week looks from a mone standpoint.

The strongest sexual signal is during stage 11 when I have 3 sprays of TuTH. But you’ll note that I also have 1 drop of A314 and 2 sprays of the very likable IG, plus 1 spray of IO and 2 sprays of CTTM2. If on the first day of that stage you feel like your signal is coming on too strong you could always add a spray of either IO or shine to help buffer and socialize it more. Or pull back if you like. We’re dealing with 3 aspects of your overal signal. You can very easily decide to leave your none signal static once you get to a certain point and then only follow the progression for your respect products and/or socials.

The only thing I honestly have concerns about is using MX297 as a bridge product between IG and A314. It feels like a respect product to me, but Steve seems to think it has a beta quality to it. Which has me wondering if What I perceived as respect oriented friendliness was more of a lovable loser vibe…and if I’d be better suited finding a different product to act as the bridge between the two.

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I think 25-pound test line should solve the problem. Use the brand that Kevin Van Dam uses.

Oh! My Bad! :)That’s for a different forum…Sorry.:roll_eyes:

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I can’t buy mx301 what could I replace it with? Also Rad this is just an amazing post I never thought of this thanks :slight_smile:

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Not sure bro. I actually never considered the possibility of a product being discontinued when I first drew up the model. I liked having MX301 as the final product because of it’s boyfriend type effect due to the various comfort mones included with the none.

I’m trying to work out a new model with just consumer line products but I none of the None based products have the same vibe 301 does.

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I keep the same base A314 and compliment slightly different everytime within my set of mxs that work well for me.

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The question is how many people are going to stick with the program?

I agree with the basic concept, smooth transition and avoiding the equivalent of undertraining/overtraining in working out. But periodization for eventual sex makes the game way to technical and if you mess up half way you may think negatively about your cycle.

I think RadMan has done great work here but I prefer a more several times a week dose of a well rounded product. It’s not going to be as good as peaking in nature, but even peaking for any event requires intense commitment.

For most of us mones are a hobby and not something we use on such a professional level. We expect bonuses from them and not massive transformations. A womans mood, the other 1000 factors that go into looking great and feeling great all count too. Work on many areas and let mones just be one.

On the other hand if you use a balanced product you could always up the rone, nol, or none, at any given time to take it in a certain direction if you feel the need to without cycling.

If you spend intense effort on this program but forget to floss one day when its time to kiss or have bad breath, or fart at the wrong time etc there goes your all your hard earned cycling.

dsouza

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I think he’s using this model for progressing a relationship, although you should always rely more on yourself than mones.

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Well I think you misunderstand, while this program could work for building up to a sexual relationship that’s not it’s purpose. With the right personality traits and solid game, one could meet, attract and escalate to sex with a woman on day one. None of the products listed are sexual blockers, just some not as sexual as others and some not as aggressive as others.

Well I don’t know that I would call it a professional level, imo that would be following the sweet spot testing for every putative and MX available with no preconceived notions of what they do, testing blind for the science of it.
This is designed to start with easier products that are less likely to have negative reactions (ammo tends to be easier than TuTH, IG tends to be easier than A314). I think a cautious approach is actually more important for the casual hobbyest than it would be for an experienced expert. Sorta like somebody starting with a first aid class before attempting open heart surgery.

As for the womans mood, while building an attractive aura is definitely part of the programs design, it’s also about building a solid alpha presence that can be beneficial in other area’s of your life, and building a trusting vibe that would benefit any relationship, romantic or platonic.

The motivation was to find a balance between three factors.
Consistency (almost always having a social, sexual, and respectable vibe)
Complacency (enough change with the right frequency to avoid people you see regularly becoming numb to the signal)
Progress (starting with an easy to manage signal, and becoming more alpha, more sexual, more emotionally connected over the course as opposed to random and haphazard changes that can actually be counter productive.)

See if you wear a consistent mix, people that already have a sense of you will have time to take it in and accept it.
If the signal changes every few weeks, they don’t get numb to it and the effect amplifies slightly, like shifting from one gear to another as you accelerate. I think the one day a week off and one week breaks help with this.
If the signal change is progressive it just seems like you becoming more (insert positive quality here). Like a body builder getting more muscular over time and leaner. Too random a mix with no planning would be like being able to wake up with a heavy weight body builders physique one day, a lean olympic divers the next, and a power lifter the day after that.
It doesn’t follow a progression.

Mones tend to be interpreted in a manner like an aspect of your personality. Ever wear a bad mix and have people think you’re an asshole no matter what you did or how hard you tried to be cool with them? Now imagine if you saw somebody and every day they seemed to just feel different to you. At first a mix may create a “there’s something different about you” type of effect, or maybe a “wow you’ve changed” sort of reaction. If it follows a logical progression it can simply be chalked up to you growing as a person or becoming better every day. But if it’s random with heavy sexuality one day, hard core alpha two days later with no sexuality, fun and social with just a touch of sexiness, etc then it can create a vibe of “I just feel like I don’t really know you”. Which can hinder trust and openness.

You could do that but as I said, regular exposure to the same mix can numb the effects on people that see you regularly. Especially if personal growth and development isn’t part of the program.
Anyone can start wearing A314 and begin seeing results, but unless they’re working on developing their own alpha qualities the people exposed to the signal will begin to get desensitized to the signal and without congruence on your part, it would eventually be disregarded.
The thing about this program is that for the most part it CAN be event specific. In other words at any point in the program that they aren’t already being used, one can always add a spray of TuTH and IH to the mix, possibly swapping out a spray of Ammo and IO, and you’re signal is still giving off the vibe of the person they expect, but feel a sudden closeness and sexuality to.

I respectfully disagree, very rarely are peoples perceptions of us based on any one day or incident. That’s like saying that an athlete that misses one day of training may as well scrape the whole season and wait till next year to start over. The basic program design is very forgiving.
Again, given the way you word it, I’m assuming you think the program was designed solely for seducing one woman…it’s not and nobody would want to follow a program that requires that great a length of time to close. You can close along the way at any point your abilities allow whether day one or a week after you finish the whole thing.
I AM however confident that along the way you could find that women you deal with regularly are becoming attracted to you without you really trying.
And having bad breath or farting at the wrong time is going to kill your game whether you’ve been following a program or just chose a random mix that day. However, if something like that happens, the people (not person…I mean plural) that you deal with and expose to your phero sig daily will base their opinion of you on the cumulative way you make them feel over time and not a single isolated incident.

My god do you have any idea how bad divorce would be if wives left their husbands the first time they fart in front of them? That doesn’t happen because what was built is bigger than one minor unromantic or unalpha moment.

Well yes and no, while with a progressing relationship the escalating status/value (IG-A314), sexuality (Ammo-TuTH etc) and communication (IO-IH) can really go a long way toward strengthening a relationship, the IG to A314 progression can help tremendously with work, the attraction products can create an escalating sexiness and sexuality that SHOULD be work safe/day wear safe thanks to the heavy use of socials. I believe that A progression (I’m currently trying to revamp the model) can help you become the “leader of the pack” in your social circle, the “go-to guy/up and commer” at work AND the hot guy that girls look forward to seeing regularly. I’m seeing progressive ioi’s from women at the gym, the girl that cuts my hair every two weeks, the female tellers at the bank, girls at the grocery store etc. They’ve been exposed to a progressive signal based on this model and the reactions I see indicate a degree of anticpation to seeing me.

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You’ve made a good case for your theory – Good work.

If I’m reading you right you stating this is a progression from a skinny or fat out of shape dude to a bodybuilder and along the way you pass the different stages of getting to the finished result (losing the gut, slowly putting on muscle, keep the mood fresh) etc. And while a fat guy can attract and close, so can a bodybuilder.

But what happens when the cycle ends? Do you start from scratch all over again?

Also what happens if women are not your only objective? What if you want to be close to some seniors like your parents and they react badly to powerful vibes or heavy none signatures? What if your lifestyle changes along the way when your wearing heavy a314 and then you lose your job?

The mones must sync with lifestyle and there’s no guarantee lifestyle will stay the same to sync with mones. Then what?

Thanks for your reply.

DSouza

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Except when I am focusing on actual testing I am more of a free stylist when using mones. I have the mixes I know work well for me and I switch around what I am using to maintain those vibes and bring them to peoples consciousness according to my own moods, what I am doing that day and my intentions.

What I would wear to work is not necessarily what I would wear to a party or when going out with friends.

There is no wrong or right way to use mones you have to experiment and find which products fit you best and how best to use them for your life style and intentions. Programs or regimens dont really work as planned for everyone IMO. People are all different biologically and in personality. Your environment and moods change on a daily basis.

I agree wearing the same mix every day can make people your in contact with less apt to react. However, people retain the feeling they do not disregard it. Its just not a conscious feeling that produces action like when they are first exposed to mones. Sort of like if your wearing a nice shirt and someone says “hey great shirt I love it” They are not going to say it every day you wear it. Its been said but they still feel its a great shirt.

I dont agree that switching around what you use randomly in accordance to your environment and own mood has a negative effect in fact its more natural. We not only produce pheromones as a information signal of who we are and our persona but to signal different emotions we are feeling in that environment or situation. No person feels the same way everyday or emits the same emotional state everyday. Life can be haphazard and so are our emotional responses to it. As humans we are multi faceted. As long as your not using a negative mix switching mixes randomly according to how you feel and the environment your in parallels the way we naturally emit pheromones. It doesn’t confuse it grabs attention. Of course you can confuse people if your using to many opposing pheromones or your behavior is in opposition to the vibe your sending.

I have tried using a more structured regimen in the past and found that following a strict guideline of mone use can make you give off a vibe that is not appropriate or attractive to the situation. It can put you in opposition to the message your sending. Its fine to follow a loose guide if your looking to give off one specific vibe as a base vibe of sorts though.

You need to fit what you use into your life. Life changes daily and following a regimen doesn’t leave room for those natural changes in us that occur as life is occurring.

Tisha

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I am getting the feeling with RADMAN’s theory your not living in the present moment in tune with your feelings, emotions, and mood. It’s more of a gameplan to build yourself up but not in tune with “the present” moment.

I know some days how I feel dictates what clothes I wear, and I couldn’t care less who I piss off etc. As long as I’m congruent that is who I am.

Think Johnny Depp. He is like night and day in his movies but still has a great following. People don’t see his personal life too much so they go on his characters.

He is always different, doesn’t build up to an ideal state (I don’t think he does this under preparing for award ceremonies etc) but is very congruent with how he acts.

On the other hand he is a professional actor.

Some of us have trouble with congruency or may forget to act out a vibe, or behave the same way all the time so we need to follow something more along the line of Radman’s “move like a snake” strategy flowing from one mone combo into the next to avoid sudden shock.

I think this is a great thread!!!

dsouza