And you have to try it for a year first… After a YEAR you can get 2x your money back.
This vendor is certified and I 've used the products for enough time as to see how awesome androtics are.U’re new here.Whom do I trust…He he - I think u know the answer.
Actually I am certified too; well depends on what you mean by certified. lol
Of course, you trust the source that is trying to sell you something because they are least likely to be driven by ulterior motives (like profit for example).
Androtics is far from being a unknown vendor. They are a registered company. No on has to buy from the advanced line and those are the only unknowns. Just because you do not know anything about pheromones doesn’t mean the rest of us dont.
Still even with waiting a year you get 2X your money back. The 100% you dont have to wait. Plus if you do a introduction you get $25 to try two to-go sizes for free. Most people can figure out if they work with those two bottles.
Its obvious you haven’t read the forum much. There is not much I dont know when its comes to Pherotalk and the pheromone community. There are long time members here in this forum all in which make purchases when they need to. I havent in a while because I have hundred and hundreds of bottles already and I haven’t run out of anything I need. When I do I purchase.
If there is something wrong with the product and it not working as it should the experienced members are the first ones to shout it from the rooftops and we have on a few occasions.
Yes I do and that is why Androtics is a member of the BBB, to help ease peoples fears about that.
Your best bet is to read up on the product you selected. Learn to use it correctly and make sure you purchased what fits your needs. Be sure to take advantage of the GC if you haven’t already and test it out yourself. Maybe have your brother and good buddy take turns testing it as well and you watch them while they do. See if you notice any difference in there interactions with others.
As far a nobrains experiment, Maybe his intentions are good but we have no way of knowing this. Androtics is the top pheromone company on the Internet not because they hype things up but because they sell what works and there are many companies who would like to hold that spot. I would rather test a product directly from the company first hand then from someone who could have altered it. Its not that I haven’t shared products with long time members who I know well from being in the pheromone community for so long. I dont consider nobrain a expert user. A expert skeptic maybe. A seeker of truth. There is nothing wrong with that. I understand he is trying to conduct a blind test but he needs to do this with his friends and people he knows. He has already implied with his request for “experienced users” that he thinks we are all stupid or lying. It was not done out of seeking the truth it was done as a insult to those users. If he had said anyone that would have been different. Frankly I dont need some smartass guy questioning my integrity or my knowledge. My take is if you dont believe they work dont use them. Leaves more for the rest of us.
See this is the part you just dont understand. We trust them because their product works. I have conducted many tests using them myself and having test groups (not from the internet) use them in which I sit and observe the differences in interaction. I have tested using straight neroli with no pheromone in it. Did blind tests and double blind tests. We didnt all just fall off the turnip truck in here.
Your whole attitude is that the people in here are to stupid to figure out this without your “certified” guidance. I find it insulting not only to the experienced users but to the company as well. If you have doubts that is fine then test them for yourself but dont come in here and insult my integrity or any of the other long time experienced users.
Before you ask, no I dont work for the company and never made a dime from them.
Tisha
That’s my Tisha we all know and love! Nothing but truth, and I can assure you that Tisha is considered a very good pheromone testing expert, so to me (and to many) her words ring nothing but truth and experience.
While I personally Trust Androtics and have a High ammount of Respect for them, a registered company does not equal legitamacy.
Infact one of the main reasons for registering a company is for the limited liability (LLC) among other things. Some of the biggest scams have been through Authentically registered companies.
They are not required to offer any money back gurantee so I can not see your logic in this comment. The fact it is 200% and honoured is quite exceptional as far as businesses go.
In regards to the product, a causual user may only use it once a week, if not less. These products have well been regarded as needing some ‘personal tweeking’ to get them to work perfectly and consistently. A year would not sum up to that many useses for a casual user.
Androtics is also primarily and R&D company, some of the pheromones they offer actually cost more than what they sell it for. As a result, they want users to post thier feedback to these forums although no one is forced to.
Unfortunately this is because you have used them. This is not being looked at from the perspective of someone who has not yet used pheromone products.
For all the new users that have not yet used pheromones how do they know to trust AD? One of the main reasons, as per any other business is the underlining trust a consumer has with a retailer in that, their not going to have much of a business if the product they sell is fake /unsatifactory. Unfortunetaly it is this “good will” and respect for each other that the majourity of the public has that unfortuantely make them fall prey to scams.
While I can not speak for no brain, but I can only interpret his comment as “you trust the seller because after all, they want your money in exchange for a valuable product” i.e. run a sucessfull business..
I don’t see no harm in it all, there can only be one outcome from it all and, I think we all know what the outcome is going to be. As i previously mentioned, using the placebo effect to prove a product doesn’t work is not an actuall valid method of testing. It only proves that the placebo effect works, which is very well documented already.
I don’t see why there is reluctance with the supposedly experience users taking up the test. Using words here wouldn’t be enough. Don’t you want to prove it so that you can make nobrain shutup? How difficult would that be?
If the placebo works as well as a vial of pheromones, then the control might be as good as pheromones hence pheromones wouldn’t be needed.
It is hard for me to believe that you have never made a dime from them. It seems to me that when you post in this forum (under certain criteria) you earn points towards products. You have never earned these points?
So I guess if we’re going on semantics, yes you have never made a “dime” from them. In the same respect my friend never “made a dime” by doing his Dodge photo shoots. They gave him a free car, but… Still, not a dime.
I will address the rest of your points in another post. But I feel like you definitely have made a dime or two. Unless you are saying the AD products are worthless, because I can tell you - the Dodge was not.
Look, I know what you’re all feeling is genuine. So don’t worry. As you have seen, there is no reason to even bother talking to me about my experiment. As you guys have stated, regardless of the outcome you will not care.
You have to be honest with yourself. Tell the truth. If my study finds pheromones work wonderfully you will all be here to say “welcome to the club! I knew you would come around!”. You will be plenty pleased with my experiment. If though, I show that in my experiment pheromones did not seem to play a significant role. You will pick my experiment apart and try and prove it is invalid. Or, you may just silently not believe.
So the experiment is invalid to you. It is not I who have a predetermined bias, in fact, it is you. The pheromone lover. My experiment cannot prove to you it doesn’t work because you “know” it does. Therefore the only acceptable finding is “you’re right, they work”.
You know nothing about my knowledge of pheromones. You assume what I know from my posts. Some of you call yourself pheromone experts and yet cannot name the pheromones in the product you wear, who discovered those pheromones, the specific function of those pheromones, how those pheromones effect others, the long term effects of those pheromones… It seems the standard being set for expert is “used many pheromones for a long time”. And yes, that does make you an expert pheromone consumer (a fan), someone who can tell you which pheromones they like in which combination and situation.
My experiments are several. Some which use expert consumers, some which use my personal associates, and some which don’t use people at all.
The real question is what is your goal here (all the people who bother to “defend AD” against my posts)? To convince me that I am wrong and I shouldn’t TRY pheromones to see if they work? To convince others to ignore me because you want to help them through pheromones? To defend mones because you feel so passionately about them?
So, ignore me. My experiment is meaningless to you because, lets be honest, it is not I who will defend my position regardless of my experiment, it is YOU.
I’m still a skeptic on pheromones although i have been around for a long time and interested in the tests you will conduct in the future. My posts may be little but I suspect a handful of users with more posts than me are not as good in detecting whether pheromones work or not, and if they work , what they do.
My last post was really exclusive of you. You DO seem to want to see the results and I am sure EITHER WAY you will judge them with a grain or two of salt. It was for those here who obviously will only accept one conclusion.
This is getting out of hand. Why does there have to be all this mud throwing.
I’m a decent seeker of truth from time to time but honestly does the absolute truth have to be sought? Under what guise? Even IF MONES are a scam (which they aren’t I can assure you by all the social mistreatment I’ve had from people all these years compared to when I wear mones) ignorance is bliss and I rarely find that forcing people to see some ultimate truth will do anything. One of my favorite books states that people will believe a lie because they wish that its true or because they fear that its true.
While I greatly believe such a notion in most cases when someone tells a lie you are considering it through a inward perception in order to see a truth. When you use mones which to a larger extent people use to affect those around them you are looking at things through a external perception as you are observing through interaction and observation reactions that proceed as a result of you being in the same vicinity. You could perceive the results that are claimed here as fantasized or exaggerated or even coincidental but honestly how many coincidences can you have over the course of a day or a week before you realize whatever you saw and experienced happened for a reason.
With close to 20k members your gonna tell me that clever marketing and web design is gonna fool ALL these people into fanciful wishful thinking which entails ALL of us to happily hand over our hard earned money because somehow we were brainwashed into a conformity of having results with many likenesses yet many differences as well. Your test is far from being scientific.
Does everything have to be proved by science? There will always be exceptions to the rule. To compare mones to religion/faith is downright deplorable as an argument and hence dismissible at best.
Nobrain I’m not coming off as an ass or anything but I definitely think you should do you. In other words, test what you want, how you want it, and when you want it. You don’t need OUR help to do that (which I’m sure you know 
) and at the end of the day the results you see will be YOUR results. So you can interpret them as you see fit.
Posting on this forum is not a requirement (which you also know ) so don’t feel as if you HAVE to come here to post your results. If at anytime you think that this community isn’t for you then you are free to leave.
Good luck in whatever it is you do with pheros and I hope everything works out for better or for worse.
I think your exhibiting the same bias you are accusing the OP of having here.
If he legitimately sends two bottles, one with phero’s and the other without and asks those ten people to report on results and which bottle has the pheros AND the data comes out completely messy (a near 50% guess rate on which has the pheros and completely inconsistent reports on the pheroeffects) then he proves to some extent that pheros are bullshit.
I don’t feel attacked by his attempt to complete this experiment - I believe that pheros work… I expect that this test will demonstrate that (that being said, because of the sample size it is entirely likely that the results will demonstrate some considerable variability… especially w.r.t. the pheroeffects).
Hell… I believe I qualify as an “experienced” user - Sign me up for the test
I can understand where nobrain is coming from with respect to his skepticism - I had it too when I first started and it was only the result of my personal testing that I changed my mind.
However, until I tested some putatives and noticed my results seemed to correlate pretty well with the results of others (whose reports I hadn’t read prior to my testing) I wasn’t completely convinced. I can understand nobrain wanting proof beyond self-recognized effects.
Why are we taking this test as an insult? He didn’t say that he would give pheros to 10 people and then we’ll all see what bullshit this is and how the blinds have been pulled over our eyes. He said he wanted to complete a test without reference to his belief of what the results will show.
I would argue that nobrain actually seems to believe in the possibility of pheros… otherwise why would he go to the expense?
So yes… sign me up - I’m not insulted by his skepticism because his skepticism does not challenge my beliefs (nobody screams that the sun will rise in the morning)
thanks. I really appreciate your sincerity. PM me.
The thing you don’t see is that he already has preconceived notions about it whether or not you can see that. Read all of his posts and you’ll see what I’m getting at. The best way to do this test is with blind people who have no idea what your experimenting persay. The fact that he has already formed an opinion and hes asking other users who already have a strong/weak opinion of mones skews the results of the test no matter if mones in question are real or not. Unless its a hard fact, truth is a perception of sorts and has NO truly defined line. Truth is just as grey as anything else on so many levels. Skepticism is fine and I harbor a lot of it myself in terms of the world and the people I coincide with but to impose skepticism on other people whether its about mones or anything else for that matter is not “anyone’s” place.
If your so self righteous nobrain keep your opinions to yourself in “other” threads until you actually have any know how/ knowledge in order to shed light on the subject.
This makes no sense. The simple question is WHICH BOTTLE HAS THE PHEROMONES. Is that subjective? Come on!
It’s cool to be a skeptic, but when people start to doubt a trusted company like Androtics than that’s a different story. I mean dude, remember when Steve and MHarris gave you FREE expensive products just to help you and your quest for truth? Now tell me, what company does that?
You’ve already passed judgement though you won’t say it in an attempt to be politically correct. You’ve already made the experiment subjective by making yourself the analyzer and decider and choosing subjects whom already formed an opinion/ theory on the variable your trying to verify. You sounded quite resentful when you were trying to explain to us that you had single handedly saved people from some product that potentially had drugs and that even though they weren’t thankful that you proclaimed yourself their champion. Yes your right you do come off as an asshole. The sad thing about you is you come off as a vigilante with a vendetta in contrast to a hero trying to save the day b/c noone else will persona your “trying” to exude.
Maybe some people here feel that they should entertain your bullshit and I won’t criticize them for that but I won’t stand for it. This isn’t even on behalf of AD or the people of this forum, your simply an idiota walking on thin ice.