I am a 23 year old male and live in Midwest USA. As you might have concluded from my screen name, I am the kind of guy that does his best to be a gentleman, although at times I do fall short of such a title…
In my past I have met / dated a fairly good number of women, however, none seem to perceive me as a person that could be anything more than a good friend. In fact out of the last 3 women I dated, all 3 of them told me directly that they felt sort of awkward because they have never dated someone that behaved so politely. (On dates I normally do such things as open a door for a lady before she walks into a building or gets into my car, pull a chair out for a lady before she sits, etc.) One even went as far to tell me that she finds nice guys to be boring
At the same time I see / hear stories about these guys that mistreat their girlfriend…but the girl stays with him? A mystery that may never get solved…But anyway the fact that I always end up becoming “friends” with women I am attracted to is what got me interested in Pheromones. I first discovered Nexus Pheromones and decided to purchase a bottle. There was one instance at a bar where I feel I got what I believe you all on the forums call a “hit” but goodness…one hit after using close to the whole bottle? I think I will search for a new product haha.
It was then that I discovered Androtics Direct Smartmones via Google searching “Pheromones”. A lot of other companies came up but this was the only one I found that had a forum for their products as well as different products for different results…instead of just having one product advertised “OMG GET WOMEN WITH THIIIIS!!!” haha.
The two products that caught my eye the most were “Turn up the Heat” in hopes to break that friendship barrier that I seem to have around myself and “Instant Shine” because feeling good feels good haha.
Well I am finally at the end of my introduction . I would like to close with a question:
Didn’t there used to be a product called “Instant Female Magic”? I can’t find it in the online store and was wondering if it is still around.
Hey, welcome! IFM isn’t available here at Androtics anymore, but I’d suggest you also practice being more Alpha and concentrate less on being too nice. Being nice is great, but you also have to have a balance of nice with Alpha animalistic behavior.
Other than that, TUTH is great but definitely not something you’d wear alone (especially on a first date) so I suggest AMMO, TUTH as an addition to AMMO, IO, and then IH.
AMMO is basically an all around attractant that serves well for general attraction, while TUTH is mainly just Androstenone and is better used as an addition to AMMO to “increase the heat.” IO Helps to make you be more approachable, helps to break the ice, and helps to feed conversation. IH helps to add a sense of closeness, trust, proximity with individuals, and helps to make people feel comfortable around you. Some A314 will suit you well too, for added respect.
Dude, I could get away with this stuff since it’s your grandmother who appreciates this stuff. From what I’ve noticed, women your age consider it “old fashioned” and see you acting like a dweeb. I’m not saying slap a woman around, but act a little more “independent”. Mones aren’t going to take care of this, listen to the guys here that are in your age range, they’re in tune with women your age.
IFM probably will never be coming back, however you can get A1 from Love-Scent (people here shop there all the time, and visa versa), It’s mostly good for comfort but be aware it depresses a very few men.
Hello and welcome to PheroTalk. I am so happy you were able to discover this most amazing community. We consider each other like family here and are totally committed to helping each other out. There are so many great people here and now another too .
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From a womans point of view, also I have raised 2 teenage daughters…Not all women like bad boys. Or the image. The roles of Women have evolved. They are a lot stronger than years ago. They are more independent etc.
Chivalry never goes out of style. In fact when I am out with my husband and when I used to date I would stop at the entrance of a door and not open it. I never get tired of a man opening a door for me! My daughters would do the same before they entered a vehicle. I would try the TUTH and Instant shine and see how that goes. Maybe you just need that bit of an edge. Confidence is hot! Women gravitate to that. I wouldnt change your personality, you sound like a gem!
Woman don’t like jerks, woman like men who make them feel safe and are a challenge. Woman do not want the guy who is just like every other nice guy that isn’t willing to take risks. She sees that as weakness, a man who has no boundaries.
You also might consider that 99% of the tools/chodes in the world are being nice and buying drinks and doing whatever the woman wants (under her thumb) because they believe by being nice they will eventually “nice” their way into her panties. Sorry Charlie–not going to happen. She would much rather have the guy who is a challenge, who doesn’t take her crap, who has boundaries and is willing to walk away.
Who would make her feel safe in a dangerous situation? The guy willing to bend to every demand she makes, or the guy willing to spank her and say NO?
Now your intentions maybe completely noble and you might just be a gentleman. You might be buying her a drink, sending her flowers, buying her cards and gifts because you really do care about humanity and have no intentions of trying to weasel your way into her panties using manipulative tactics, BUT (and its a really BIG BUT) every other guy is doing it for those reasons and she sees right through it. Either way the results are the same. She will continue to accept the gifts and roses and cards and dinners and all the while when she gets home: SteveO (that’s me) is going to have her on her back naked quicker than you can say “can I call you again?”
The god news is that you can change. You do not have to be a jerk! Woman don’t like jerks. They do like men who are a challenge and have boundaries, are willing to say no, take her over my nee and spank her, walk away. I have choices, there are plenty of woman out there, just as there are plenty of us men that will be a challenge for her.
I know your intentions are good and I am sure I can help you. Call me on the hotline and I will be glad to assist you. Mones can work MAGIC for you, especially Ijerk…
Good luck man! Get to it with the pheros and post in the men’s forum or keep a journal and join the rest of us. We have some good laughs and try to be supportive of each other to see each other succeed in getting whatever we’re trying to get out of these things.
But remember… it’s 90/10… 90% you, 10% the pheros.
Welcome to the forums!
I have the same problems as you it seems. I was raised to treat women with respect, and like you, I’ve gotten stuck in the friend zone more times than I can remember.
Since my first order (it was recommended I try IO, IS and A314), I’ve noticed a bit of a change in the relationship between the friend I’m interested in and myself. She treats me differently and seems to be more straightforward, touchy/feely, and open with me now. I have also been more forward than I’d ever thought possible. She’s got a boyfriend, but things between her and I are more than friendly lately, so while he’s a nice guy and all, I’m better.
The IS is my favorite so far, I enjoy the way it makes me feel, and it boosts my confidence (which is something I needed badly). I’m much more sure of myself with that (especially with 2 sprays of that mixed with 2 drops of A314 and a spray of IO), than I’ve been in years.
I hope you enjoy it here as much as I do so far, and hopefully the products work well for you.
Please, keep us posted on your progress.
I agree with desertdove totally. The way I see women is that while increasingly diverse, there are still general principles that we can adhere to that wouldn’t lessen any worthy lady’s likening towards us. It doesn’t hurt to get the door, or walk at the right side of the road, as long as you know how to match it by saying things like, “Move along grandma” … “Let me walk on this side in case your butt sticks out the road” … its sweet, yet self-assured and fun …
Stay the Gent!
Thats not the Problem!
Its your style - keep it up! It works.
You probably find that you have allot of female friends that all enjoy your gent manner and sit there thinking something along the lines of “this guy is such a gent, I wish he would make a move and put me on my back, well, he isn’t escalating physically he just wants to be friends!”
Its great to be James Bond - and if you’re James Bond, remember to pull your gun - because you’ve got a licence to kill-
You should be careful about being too much of a gentleman around women now days. It shows that you care to open a door for someone, but not allowing a girl to do anything for herself makes her feel controlled. And you should make sure to show her that you are willing to let her show you that she cares; if she opens the door for you walk through it every time. A gentleman refusing to accept an opened door is a big turn off because it makes you seem like a jerk who is only pretending to respect women.
Hey everyone thanks for all the info and advice. I plan on buying 2 products for my first order. Once I make a final decision on what to buy and all I will let you know how the Pheromones + your advice worked out.
I don’t have trouble when it comes to conversing with people. Have you ever been in a situation where someone you know, but haven’t known for very long, tells you private information about themselves? I mean a secret so dark that you can’t help but think “Damn…I can’t believe you told me that. I just met you (insert an amount of time less than 3 weeks here) ago.” For that reason as a first purchase I was going to wait on trying Instant Honesty or Instant Openness. That stuff seems to flow out of me naturally : )
Like I said before I was interested in Turn up the Heat and Instant Shine, but now after reading a bit about Instant Jerk, Instant Jerk might help convince women that “yeah he’s nice…he’d make a good frrrr…NO he’s not a friend!!” kinda like the point SteveO made except now its a mental spanking lol
There is a big difference between being a gentleman and being a pushover.
There is also a big difference between being confident and being cocky.
I think Steve summed it up rather nicely.
Being too nice seems desperate, needy, clingy. Being too brash and un-nice seems boorish and overbearing. There is a place in the middle where you can be a good guy and still get girls.
And this is one woman who still loves a gentleman. However, I could never date (or doink) a man I couldn’t respect.
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