I’m new to this whole thing, and wanted to see if it could help turn my fortunes around. I’m the perfect kind of guy, that women love to take, bend over, and friendzone in the ass. I’ve already gotten a couple of opinions on my “greetings” message, but I do like to get information from a variety of sources. One of the guys who answered my previous post was correct, I do lack any real sexual presence. I also don’t have much in the way of confidence, but maybe this will help out. I’ll be trying out the “to go” size products, just to make sure that I like the effect. I’ve had AMMO and TUTH suggested for me, does anyone else have any more suggestions?
Without knowing a bit more about you, it’s a bit difficult. The none in those products can help bring about a more desirable, sexy signal to those around you but, YOU will need to capitalize on that signal with your actions.
You may also try IJ, which because of its higher none content, can put out that you are NOT friend zone material but along with your attitude, be of higher value to others, someone to adquire… 
You should have additional thoughts shared by other members pretty soon. 
I would say work on your attitude more than worrying about the mones doing the job for you. Hangout with these girls that friend zone you and get more comfortable just being around hotter girls and make sure you make some moves, I have been friendzoned for that exact reason, just get comfortable making moves and have some girlfriends help you out, girls know what girls like, that with some AMMO or TUTH should keep you out of the friendzone.
Ammo and TUTH will help but as others have said if you wanna stay outta the friendzone it’s all in the attitude. Don’t be available all the time, let them know you have other things going on. Make playful comments to them that have a sexual twist (but don’t be creepy about it). Don’t be predictable. Let them chase you at times. Don’t become the guy that they go to for a crying shoulder to complain about their jerk boyfriends, etc… you get the point.
I recommend reading the Mystery Method, and David DeAngelo’s double your dating.
Getting stuck in the friend zone has more to do with your mentality about yourself, women, and how you present yourself and interact with women. Until you can get all of that sorted out, I’m not sure the pheromones will do as much as you’re hoping. That doesn’t mean you should hold out on pheromones altogether…I think one of the greatest benefits of using pheromones is that it forces you to look deeper into the inner-workings of how we interact with people, and how we present ourselves to others. Do not approach the use of pheromones expecting them to do all of the work for you…realize that you will have to do your part to grow as a person, and that pheromones are merely one of many tools to help you do that.
Confidence is a pre-requisite to attraction, IMO. If the very act of wearing pheromones can boost your confidence in and of itself, then they would have had a positive effect on you. I’d add A314 to your list if confidence really is something your lacking. The self-effects of the current batch are particularly potent, and could probably go a long way for you.
A314 + Instant Openness + TUTH is a very versatile mix that gives puts you socially in command, and adds a bit of sexual edginess to the fray. My understanding is the AMMO is more or less based on this type of mix.
Well, I have a long history of depression, which doesn’t help matters. I’m good at hiding it, but it has a lasting effect on my personality and confidence. It’s not something you can simply wish away, even with years of therapy and drugs, it still can be present. I know this won’t be a cure-all, but maybe if women start being more receptive, in a way that doesn’t automatically get me friendzoned, maybe that will help boost my confidence and then I work on picking up women.
If you lack confidence and sexual presence, then I suggest you stay away from TUTH for the time being - Unless you end-up very close to the bedroom with someone.
TUTH on a quiet, reticent and unconfident guy can easily backfire and get you useen as standoffish, aggressive, creepy and just way too horny in all the wrong kinds of ways.
Something more social/balanced like Ammo and something social/outgoing/engaging (eg Instant Shine), IO, IG) is much better to begin with and if you are going to use TUTH, save it for the clubs or other most sexually charged situations and moderate it well with something like IO.
Maybe you can enlighten me on this issue.. Why is it that I have to keep changing products ALL the time to get any good use out of them? If I try to wear the same product too often I get bored of it (I have acute bipolar) and I know what to expect so I don’t put any work into my interactions.. if i wear different products i forget what to expect especially if its after a long while, the self effects become better because I haven’t worn them for so long, and I am more able to go with the flow instead of think about mones.
Just today after a week of ammo IS I tried Glace from Alpha dream, and was acting like a charming, funny, friendly guy. But that’s all it got me. At least it makes me talk and others talk to me. But all it got me was conversation and sexless conversation with no flirting.
Any idea what products make a woman flirt with a man? Why should men do all the damn initiating??? I want women to come onto me! Unfortunately I’m no Brad Pitt anymore (Maybe in my 20’s I had 10’s chasing me all the time but that doesn’t happen now 20 years later).
Ammo IS has been my staple around 20-25 year old waitresses but as usual they don’t open up to me as much as I’d like them too. I have to initiate and i always stutter when I’m trying to act out lines.
IS A314 has been better but intimidates younger women.. What to do? MX 297 is just a friend mone. So I’m lost here.
Isn’t there an Androtics product that gets young women to flirt with you for the date or phone number?
I highly recommend ammo + A1 + p83 + IS for younger girls
I’ve tried all but the a1 and p83 successfully… a1 makes me depressed, and p83 has made me a total introverted emotional basketcase full of guilt and depression and sadness when wearing it.. It really backfired on me last time..
Tisha recommended I don’t spray it near my neck and to my back for example but I don’t know how smart a move it is for me to use it at all.
I can try p83 to my back and a single drop of a1 to the back of my neck while wearing IS and ammo but I really have to be careful as this mix may cause more problems for me than good since I have acute bipolar and p83 and a1 have caused depression to come out of me very badly sometimes.
Problem with IS ammo is I have to do most of the initiating and I’m not very good at gab which means I have to memorize lines. If I memorize lines I look tense, stutter, and look like a complete fool… Not to mention I say very little like 2-3 one liners.
I don’t mind talking folks, but please more horniness from women so I can have an easier time getting the #'s!!! I can’t be constantly THINKING what to say next as I stay tense when I need to look cool…I need to be relaxed and know a woman is putting in 50% too in the game.. Since i chase younger women they are more hesistant to initiate so I was hoping for amix that would make them more likely to initiate or make them hornier and want to initiate so I don’t have to do all the work!!! 
Any dosages for that one, GHOST? Thx
For starters, stop dropping the A1!
That is not an accurate or reliable way of using it and can lead to wildly unpredictable diffusion and smelly problems.
Look-up K-Trains A1 Guide and mix some properly. I also get the downers from A1, so I innured myself to it by mixing a togo at low dose (6.25mcg) and wearing one spray a day for a week, washing my app point when I felt the bad effects kick-in. Adter a week I upped it to two sprays and a couple of weeks later, I was through the worst of it/learned to recognise and deal with the effects and able to take A1 out properly.
You could also do similar with P83 I think. Stay low till you get used to it.
I was going to start with a “to go” size, just to see if it is worth investing. For the A314, what is the difference between 1.29A and 1.29B?
Nothing. Just the dose of /b is adjusted to be a bit closer to the oil in impact.
Also, be aware that A314 can be a bit difficult around younger women. It can give you a good boost of cool/calm/collected confidence but it is also a very serious/mature/high status mix and that can put them off. Mid 20s and over is when they seem to become more attuned to that vibe IME.
I think I’m going to get AMMO, TUTH, and A314. I was thinking of using the AMMO & A314 in combination, when going out. Then, keep TUTH in my pocket, just in case.
A lot of women do find a charming, funny and friendly guy very attractive. Can you pair Glace with a little more none and increase your sexual projection in other ways?
Women flirt in all sorts of ways, many of them very subtle and nonverbal - Have a close look at the IOI thread for lots of pointers. Nothing will make most of them break the various unwritten rules of the sexes unless they are already inclined to though. You do have to take some steps to project your attractive qualities.
MX297 can be a lot more than a friend mix if you pair it with some none and work it in a fun-social way. I find that women who are put off by A314’s generally respond very well to MX297. I also found that pairing it with some TUTH had remarkable sexual properties but again, you had work it hard. Bust-out of the friendzone with several women that way.
Recently, I have also had good results with MX297/P75, particularly around younger women/asians - who tend to be typically less responsive to overt none.
Have you tried MX297 yourself yet? I’d be interested to know if you found it had any self effects, as I have also found it useful around people with depression/extreme social anxiety.
I’ve tried MX297… got friended everytime and became an emotional basketcase the next day… Even when paired with AMMO and IS. SOmetimes I get no self effects from it at all anyways. And it makes everyone want to talk to me not only my targets which I can’t stand.
I have terrible anxiety.. Anxiety kills self confidence.. It also kills approaching and being smooth with women, memorizing lines , sex drive etc etc.. I take meds for anxiety which control it but I tell you I get flooded with adrenaline sometimes when I even try to THINK of asking a good looking woman for her phone number. It’s not the fear of rejection so much as it the fact that I don’t know what to say and even if I read books on the subject I still can’t act out what I have to say since I’m anxious, tense, and nervous and my memory plain suck..
I need a mone which will relax my nervous system… Make me relaxed but yet not tired nor dumb. Also something that attracts 20 something white women enough for me to do something about it and ask them out.
i think that IS would help with u being a bit more out going and happy, i wouldnt rule that one out, it helped me heaps
I don’t think there will ever be a pheromone or product that consistently bypasses the expectation that the man be the direct initiator. From a societal/biological standpoint, women are hard-wired this way. Women are attracted to confidence more than anything, and with good reason, as once they open themselves to you, they will look for you to provide for them…if only because you’re the more physically adept gender and better equipped to ward off boogie-men How can you project confidence and a willing to provide if you can’t overcome your fear of a woman herself?
Are there instances where a woman will directly initiate? Sure, but even when pheromones are involved, such instances are few and far between…it’s even more of a rarity that a desirable woman will directly initiate. Point is, by waiting for a woman to initiate, you are missing out on countless opportunities to interact with a woman in a non-platatonic way. The best a pheromone can do is create a window of opportunity to have an attractive impact on a woman, and to increase how receptive she is to you, but its still up to you to embrace such opportunities. There’s no getting around it.
Anxiety when approaching women is understandable, but the key is not to put too much pressure on yourself and simply have fun and enjoy flirting and interacting with women…even the one’s you’re not necessarily attracted to (makes for good confidence building practice). As in…always carry yourself in an attractive manner around women. Internalize that and make it a part of who you are, and you’ll be surprised by how easy things become, and how approaching and socializing with women becomes more fun than it is anxious. After a while, getting rejected can even be kind of funny.
Dating books are great, but don’t get so caught up in the ‘letter of the book’. Don’t get caught up in memorizing lines. Lines are lame. Expecting to say the same thing to every woman every time is like saying you’re going to mindlessly wear a turtle-neck sweater every day…no matter how hot and ridiculous you look. Focus instead in the ‘spirit of the book’ and the mindset of the author.
Thanks for all your tips guys… I just realized I have the perfect target I’ve warmed up to over the past few months and not even realized it. She is my maid.. What better scenario for discreet pleasure than that.. All I have to do is use some tuth on her and wind her up Get her phone number next time she comes to my home and invite her to my home for lunch one day… From there I think more confidence will build I agree with sigma women are hardwired for men to initiate. I used tuth last night and it did increase my assertiveness and horniness.. I used only 1 spray.
I got lots of head turning action. Now once I build up more confidence with tuth I think I’ll want to use it to hotwire white girls too.
Does anyone know how I can use tuth to hotwire white girls? Its seems blacks are the only women who respond to tuth for me.. Blacks and brown skin girls.