Hello everyone.I’ve been working on this subject since I’ve found out pheros.Since there is so little analysis on male-female friend relationships ( which personaly i don’t believe),this thread, i hope,will be something as a users guide to any new and hopefully old members.
I am from Serbia ( it’s near to Greece, and Croatia for those who don’t know where it is) in Europe (and sorry if my English is bad) ,and i have friend’s who have with “little” help from pheros find their “love mates”.Zed from Baltimore,Marylend or Mike from Miami,Florida…
Neverthless from there I (have picked an eye,our saying :)) tried with mu female friend everything i could ( kiss,open conversation, “dirtyness” ad so on).I left her alone about an year ( she didn’t call me on her birthday party) which is good because she has a very high tolerance to male friends ( i mean she is closed to relationship,very shy for that type of questions,and reserved ).
I would like anyone’s comment on 26 year caucasian-scandinavian blonde,emotional shy,outgoing,with me being 27 year caucasian 6’1’’ ( 185cm) high with high social signature.
I have A314,TUTH,AMMO,IS,IH,P75,P83? What should i mix? Thx anyone
The main thing to break the friendzone is you and your attraction-promoting behaviours/body language.
However she is of an age where a fairly punchy and disinhibited mix could be useful if you can engage those emotions effectively.
From your selection, Ammo/IS/IH/P83 (maybe with a little P75) would be a lighter social/engaging/sexy and disinhibited mix. Or for a much more high-status/sexual but disinhibited mix, A314/TUTH/ IS and P83. Both would suit relaxed and outgoing social situations where the sort of activity and fun that gets you touching, laughing, challenging each other. The sort of stuff that shows you off to your best ability - not just hanging out together.
One warning - status mixes around shy women can go either way. So it would be worth trying each style of mix around her to see what she responds best to.
I’d only add a take from very personal experience, before and during my pheromone use (and life, frankly) based upon a thread you’ll find here started by TheGentleman some time ago. Use androstenone. Try to use combinations of products that facilitate its use. Use small amounts, if you must, but use it. 1 mcg is surprisingly effective (vs. zero). The ExperiMone (pure stuff)? No urine odor, even with 10 mcg (at least for me). Damned if I know why. Use your 314 Nasher (especially if it’s the oil). Add TUTH when the time is right. A dash of P75 can Really counter the negative effects of NONE. Every concern I ever had about using it in public or with socials went away after I paired it with 75.
Ammunition + Instant Shine - concentrating on other girls to make her jealous.
Best case scenario - she gets jealous and sees you in a new light.
Worst case scenario - you have all of those other girls you attracted.
If you left her alone for a year, and she didn’t call to invite you to her birthday party, I’m afraid that you are NOT IN THE/HAVE NOT BEEN friend-zone/d. 
As for the mones, what everybody else said.
You said that p75 counters the effects of none? In what way? Might this be a key to women using A314?
Good god no its not LOL.
P75 is extremely masculine and works differently with a males chemistry then it does with a females.
@ iNasher, Your not in the friends zone. Pheromones are great they only cover one point of attraction. There has to be some other points of attraction present for people to act on the feelings mones evoke especially the sexual type mones.
For instance if a random guy is wearing sexual mones or even heavy masculines he may get my attention, I may even get aroused but without some other point of attraction I am not going to react to that signal.
You tried everything with this girl and she hasn’t shown interest. Time to move on in my opinion.
Tisha
There is barely any none in A314 - Its a status product, not a sexual.
I did. Let me be more specific. P75 makes me a bit grumpy. I speculate the effects on other men are like a bad case of stage fright. -eNone can make men combative for sexual dominance, so much so that Evolver got on the wrong end of some unfortunate male violence and swore off NONE. As a man who has seen serious violence in Florida bars (shootings, stabbings not uncommon), I take this seriously. Men using 75 tends to diffuse or eliminate the aggression in men that NONE can bring. Take a look at the AD store entry on IJ – you can see that high NONE can have big effects on men and women. Not all are positive. At the same time, 75 lacks sexuality per se, and thinking of it as a NONE substitute, I think, is misguided. NONE and 75 compliment each other perfectly.
A limited number of women have tried 75. Still more have tried NONE.
But the older reports you see may have to do with samples being given out. I kinda doubt women are rushing to buy P80 and 75. However, that’s not always a good thing. There’s a need always for new female RU users who will test all these myriad mones, even if the effects turn out lowsy. I’d truly hate to see the women’s journals become stuck in 2010, but it seems that way at times.
I wouldn’t expect either to be good for attraction with men when women wear it. It could be good for self effects. If you wish to experiment, I’d dilute your 75 and ExperiMone -eNone to .5 or .25 mcg per spray. You will probably find a dose at which either makes you uncomfortable. I find that TAC is uniquely an antidote or remedy for some of the cranky attitude I get with 75. You may find that you can counteract the bad effects of NONE or 75 with TAC and keep the good ones. I would consider these two on women experimental, much like TAL or TAH on a guy. Some like them, some will not. However, if we are to have more adventures and discoveries with mones (and not be stuck in limbo or in the past), my opinion is that we must take chances. So, if you want to take a few, go for it.
I would have totally never figured I could wear 10 mcg of NONE without smelling like a cat box, but I can. I’d love to see you test P80, P79, 75 and NONE. The women’s section could do with more of it, I think. Could you blend .5 micro gram of 75 and -eNone with, say, 20 mcg or more of Molecule C? Yes, I think you could. I’ve never actually found a report of a woman doing this, so maybe you can be the pioneer. I’d no sooner tell you you can’t or shouldn’t than tell a man not to wear 50 mcg of 75. Good luck.
MMMDI have you compared p75 with AndrostAnone, I’m almost positive they are the same molecule, drop me a pm if you’d like more details on my findings.
My first post was a little confusing,sorry about that…I had to leave country for a year and that was a reason I hadn’t been at her birthday party.We are friends for a long time now,and there was always question what would have happened if we weren’t friends.I think i didn’t make move at the right time,so even there is little or no chance for us to be together,I think it will be fun to try.Thanks everyone for tips.I’ll post some testings soon 
Yes - Its always worth trying. Just don’t pin all your hopes on this girl.
And sometimes, when they see you taking interest in or having a good time with other women, these friendzone women can reposition themselves with surprising speed, so keep your options open and don’t be too accessible to her.
I’ll bite that 75 is a
ketone pheromone, like -eNone. I know where you’re coming from re -stAnone. You can post in my journal if you like. Otherwise, I’ll send you a PM.
For Nasher, I think how one wears NONE is really a preference. There’s only one phero way to really know if a woman has sexual interest, and that’s to look for positive or neg responses to wearing NONE. She might not want to be your friend anymore, but you’ll know. And get a hot female companion. Any absence of jealousy should be telling…
Yes,that is what i’ve been thinking of.I need some other tips, like should I apply an agressive mix ( we haven’t seen each other for a long time ) or should be something with A314 with some IS or IH? And does NONE realy have negative effect on males,so should i wear it when we’re alone?
I will give you strictly my opinion. As many people may agree as disagree. I like AMMO a great deal. However, many NONE products take you from zero to 2.5 to 5 mcg. Sometimes, that doesn’t offer enough fine tuning. There’s quite a huge difference between zero NONE and even 1 mcg. I like being able to control the “Heat.” You can take the ExperiMone and dilute it. There are supplies in the AD store to do that. Example: 0 None = female unresponsive. 1 micro = some arousal. 2 = more. 3 = becoming slightly uncomfortable with feelings of attraction (if any). 4 = too much. Ok. Hopefully you split your sprays between application points. Wash off the extra 1-2 micros. You’ve pushed the arousal and shown yourself a sexual being. Two things will happen: either things get much better or they get worse. Lose a friend or gain a lover. You can use an AMMO or TUTH base and fine tune more NONE in 1 micro gram increments. Start carefully adding NONE, and see how far you can push it.
Thx monesmadedoit i’ll try something of that.Let’s say that we’ve been friend for a long time and if I break this it will be fun
monesmadedoit! what do you think of adding in half spray of TUTH to the P75+P74 combo.im really interested in this mix
My feeling is that the sweet spot for NONE depends on the girl and the circumstances. It can change by the day. If you use it in .5 or 1 mcg per spray, you see hits you’d otherwise miss. I tested out a mix that gives NONE .5, P75 1 micro gram and TAC 5 micro gram per spray. You can see the buildup of sexual tension. This is a woman where there is some sexual interest, be we don’t really no each other that well. I found tension peaked at 1.5 mcg NONE, and I got a bit ghosted at 2. Indicators of sexual tension (good): entering and leaving your presence, bathroom trips to “freshen up,” makeup applications, displaying behavior, repeated eye contact that seems far above ordinary and really intense looks that seem to stare through you-- a bit like DIHL. This hits at 1 mcg and peak/OD at 2, for me. Probably based on my overall signature and the P75. A mix of even 1 micro of NONE and 2-3 of 75 gets crazy hits with 74 and could even work with no added buffers. Many guys I think miss hits, 'cause they should be using like half-strength NONE products.
You find your spot at which these kick in (could be from 1 mcg NONE on up to 5, most likely), then You Stop with the NONE increases until the dating is ready for sex
then, you throw on another micro or so to escalate just bit. Having just 1 mcg per spray of the ExperiMone Androstenone is a must have in a TOGO arsenal. Androtics really should sell MicroNone in the consumer line. Just straight None with fragrance choice (including neroli–it’s just fine for cover; no pee smell at all for me on the neck or arms).
thanx bro! your info is very helpful.what do you think of this? 1mcg none+2.5mcg P75+20mcg P74 without socials
It’s good. So is adding IH to it. If you are successful creating a fallout effect, you’d then probably drop the P74 down to 10 and double the -eNone, to build sexual tension. It will take several weeks to build fallout. Think about getting some TAC and swapping it for P74, after a few weeks. It should make her more comfortable with more NONE.