Finished reading this thread, lots of good pointers, I suddenly feel like my hairdresser want to have sex with me (been friends for a looong time).
On to the next thread I suppose :- )
a couple of simple questions, i’d glad if you could take some time to answer them
-when sitting and talking next to eachother, is that she flicking/tossing her hair to other side revealing her neck to me, 100% proof of interest in means of attraction?
-when shes sitting across to me, doing the same hairtoss PLUS rolling up the sleeve of her t-shirt, revealing her whole arm from shoulder, directing arm straight to floor, and her other hand was on her arm. is this also 100% proof of interest as attraction?
-make me touch her arm to feel her muscles (we were on the topic that she did sports)
-when i was explaning something in excitement, she was front of me looking at me with wide eyes, wide smile (almost creepy), and meanwhile she was ripping a piece of box foam that was on the table into million pieces
-that she mirroring my movements when we were sitting on the couch watching a movie
-her ass is often bumping my hand when we are walking on the street
-not body language but, she guessed my zodiac sign right and we get along well because our signs match.
Can somebody give an opinion pls? This is extremetky important to me, ty
No display of IOIs is 100% proof of attraction. That’s why we look for as many as possible, physical and behavioural/consious and unconsious, then its a matter of weighing-up the balance of probabilities.
She demonstrated six fairly clear IOIs and one much more vague/debatable one and one honking great red flag. That’s ok, but you also have to understand that for various reasons, some women do throw-out IOIs by the bucketload just to get attention/validation/prop-up their insecure egos. So for that reason you would only look at these a cautious signal to proceed - its the next stage where you should be testing these IOIs with some of your own and challenging her to live-up to them.
IME its only then that you can really begin to confirm that its attraction, not attention-seeking or a manifestation of some greater issue - Which I’m still not unconvinced about here.
This is spot on! When I meet a guy who blows me away with his hotness, I tend to get nervous and clam up like her sister. It’s true, that is often perceived as being frosty or uninterested. I’m not trying to keep him away, I just don’t know what to do with myself. If I was really uninterested, I would probably leave the room or be completely relaxed while ignoring him.
When I’m not nervous, yet still interested, I definitely shit-test. If I’m giving a guy a hard time, but I haven’t yet told him to go fuck off (which includes acting like he’s dead to me), then I’m seeing if he can handle a girl with a strong personality. When you’re being shit-tested, if the girl is still giving you the time of day, she’s still interested.
Ramon, the girl is definitely into you. She definitely told her friend to check you out. When she let down her hair, walked away, and loudly conversed, she was showing off. She might not have been ready to meet you, but she definitely wanted you to admire her from afar. Any new developments?
Wake up man
…shes totally into you and is waiting for your move.
Don’t be totally forward. Lay low but fill her with compliments and give her a few touches on her arm when you talk to her.
Hey Miss Dragon. Sorry for the late response, but I have been away from this group for a long time. I wish I saw your comments sooner. 
To answer your question, there have been no new developments. I don’t see her any more, but I’m going to post a new thread about a different situation. So, watch for my next posting.
This might be slightly off topic, but I want to get an opinion.
I already know this brunette girl is interested. The signs are obvious and very strong. She works at a Mexican restaurant across the street from my apartments. When I walked into the restaurant she gave me a noticeably long “deer in headlights” stare. It was a very strong and fixed stare, like she was trying to tell me to come and get her now. She did this twice. (BTW, I wasn’t even wearing pheromones!)
Also, she definitely knows where I live and what car I drive. I have caught her 3-4 times peeking at my apartments, looking for my car. She often peeks out the windows of the restaurant, looking towards my apartment. I have definitely caught her staring at my car as I drove by her restaurant.
My question is…do you this behavior indicates she simply wants to get laid? Or is it possible that she has fallen in love?
Nobody has ever stalked me like this before. I am a middle aged dude with below average looks who often relies on pheromones to get gals to look my way. Trust me, I am not Johnny Depp or Josh Hartnett. So, when a girl stalks me like this, and I wasn’t even wearing pheromones, it makes me wonder what she wants.
If a girl just wants to get laid, would she exhibit the above stalker-like behavior? Or, do you think she wants more? (i.e is it love?)
Lust/infatuation/love - She may be attracted to you, and the more she sees you, the more she becomes attracted. This then develops into an infatuation, which in turn she interprets as falling in love. If she has never spoken to you, she can’t know for a fact that its love, as this is based on the physical attraction aspect only.
So, her body wants you, physically, but it is possible she has interpreted this lust as love, as I believe many people do. I don’t believe in ‘love at first sight’, but I do believe in ‘lust at first sight’!
If she’s cute, and you don’t think she’s showing dangerous stalker signs, I’d definitely try and some up the courage to spark even a normal conversation with her. If she’s all smiley, playing with her hair and shy, or extremely flirty, then you know she’s interested. But then, women are difficult to read, so its hard to say! 
Thanks for your insight. I appreciate it.
Usually women do NOT even given me a second look in public, because I’m just an average dude who sometimes uses pheromones to get female attention. I just thought it had to be more than lust, because I have NEVER seen such strong signals. Also, this girl is hot! She doesn’t need to be spying at my apartment complex and looking at my car as I drive away. If she wants to get laid she can get it anywhere.
But, you mention a good point. We have NEVER talked, so it must be a physical thing… which is kinda weird because I’m just a skinny guy with below average looks. Also, I wasn’t even wearing any pheromones when she gave me the “deer in headlights” stare. This could just be a nymphomaniac girl! 
This is the type of sign I need to be 100% sure to make a move! 
I dunno, it depends on your personal beliefs - some may say there is a deep, spiritual connection. I’m open-minded, so I never rule out such possibilities. She may have seen your body language, how you communicate with others and summarised your character in her mind, and the missing details - no communication, for example - make her want you even more!
Keep me updated, may be a better love story than Twilight! 
Thanks for the great list, I seem to get a lot of 360 degree cloths and body inspections from women whilst walking down the street, mostly cloths ; head to toe (I dress very modest/conservatively). Just wondering if this is a sign of curiosity (sexual) or just a passing interest in /observation of my appearance from the perspective of someone who is expected to take more care with their looks than men.
Also, often feel that I am expected to instantly respond to blatant IOIs when the mood really doesn’t carry me at the time; those situations when they occur are always awkward where you feel like being labelled overly shy or not confident by not making a move, when you’re actually more interested in something else at that time.
++ very single and feel like should have more success with women
I BELIEVE my co-teacher, the person I see more than anyone else in the world right now, is at the very least physically attracted to me. Here are IOIs that weren’t REALLY mentioned that I’ve been getting:
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Communication Look – you both have the same thoughts about something, and just look at each other without saying anything, then laugh because you know what the other is conveying
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Personal Space – I know this has already been said, but if SHE comes close to YOU to the point that you FEEL HER BODY HEAT, assume she at the very least feels comfortable around you. With me, she’ll either say my name or even put her arm around me to turn our back from the kids when it is something she doesn’t want them to hear (nothing sexual–just “kid A got in a fight with kid B” or a relatively dirty joke).
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Doesn’t Look Appalled When You Give Eye Contact – REALLY think about when you give someone eye contact for more than just a formal glance. Doesn’t really happen often (maybe at job interviews or during a handshake). If EVERY SINGLE TIME she talks to you and you lock eyes and she engages, again, she AT THE VERY LEAST respects you (which means she doesn’t think she has higher value than you).
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Mixed Signals – this is a tricky one. You may be getting a ton of IOIs, but they are balanced out by IODs. If you are getting quite a few IOIs, it is YOUR job to realize that as a woman, she is hardwired to guard herself from rejection. If you don’t ask her out, hey, she expected you wouldn’t because she gave you IODs, so no skin off her back. If you do ask her out, THANK GOD HE READ MY IOIs, GEEZ BOYS ARE SO STUPID!
Which leads me to…
- Trust your intuition–too much analysis will lead to paralysis, true, but if you just FEEL that she likes you, even a little bit, chances are she hasn’t tossed you in the dreaded friend-zone QUITE yet. At the very least, she has you in the “I don’t know about you” zone, which is an OK place to be. Be mysterious, be interesting, act confident, and then when she’s chasing YOU a little bit, casually follow on to #7.
Lastly,
- She tries to show that she is socially and sexually desirable–nowadays, girls don’t have to do much to get a “cute” guy in the sack with the evolution of dating/hookup apps and websites. With me, the girl I’m currently shooting for did NOT want me to know about all the guys she has been talking to post her breakup. She is on ALL the sites, and she’s gorgeous, so she has been getting a LOT of male attention. We went out for drinks, and a couple of things happened. Namely, she and her roommate high-fived over the fact that “girls that are freaks in bed are awesome,” AND, upon my mentioning of a past fling, she pulled out her cell phone and talked about ALL the boys that were asking her out, and “geez, maybe I should say yes to this one…” If I’m reading this correctly, this means that “OHMYGOD I’M DESIRABLE! JUST ASK ME OUT ALREADY BEFORE YOU LOSE YOUR CHANCE.” I like to call this “reverse social peacocking.” Guys tend to peacock their social prowess and women find this attractive, but when a girl is doing it to you, that CAN be powerful stuff (or, if you don’t play your cards right, you may force her to feel embarrassed for what she said, and she’ll never want to be around you again in fear of awkwardness).
Ultimately, all this body language and IOI stuff is great, but the best one of all is ALWAYS going to be:
- JUST ASK HER OUT–if she says yes, WOO-HOO, if no, eh, she sucked anyways, on to the next one.
Another thing I’ve noticed: women WANT you to be a man (and I don’t mean this in a “what does it REALLY mean to be a man” kind of way – I mean it in an evolutionarily, more dominant of the sexes kind of way). In my position, my co-teacher is actually technically “above” me and that’s fine, whatever, but if she tries to take ADVANTAGE of me, she knows that I won’t have it. She also sees me interact with superiors (administration) and how they all perceive me (they all like me quite a lot). You don’t have to be making more money or be of higher social status than her to be successful in wooing her. What is important is that you are resourceful, confident, protective of her, and display the fact that you have bigger balls than her (I don’t mean that literally).
Also, I find going into any interaction without any expectations is most helpful in life. Things may be looking absolutely perfect for you, all the IOIs there, she’s just BLEEDING interest, and then something happens and the feeling is dead in the water (could be the way you rubbed your chin for all you know). Keeping your expectations too high is what leads to needy behaviors that women read like children’s books. At this point, friend-zone her mutually, and back away QUICKLY.
Also, I have an IOI question. I’m unsure if this is an IOI.
Part of my job entails just circling around the classroom making sure students are doing their work. There is a table in the front of the classroom where my co-teacher sometimes puts her stool and she sits to do small group lessons. She had her stool by her computer (which is literally RIGHT NEXT TO the table). Usually, she’d go and get the stool to sit on it, but instead, she bends over in a 90 degree angle and exposes her butt in the air (grading papers at the table where she could have graded them sitting down anywhere else in the room). She is aware that I am a butt guy (drunk conversation).
I don’t know if her lack of getting that stool and sitting in it was just an end of day laziness sort of thing, or she was trying to get me to notice her ass.
Thoughts?
Also, perhaps my biggest struggle with her is deciding whether she is flirting because she loves the male attention from me (OF COURSE I’m going to look if she’s bending over, I’m a red-blooded straight man), or if it is out of genuine interest.
Lakerman, Oh yeah she is doing it on purpose. I asked the same question somewhere else on this forum, about blatant ass and boob displays, and LadyScientist, Jett, and a few other ladies confirmed it. It is definitely in their “arse-enal” lol!
Go for it dude!
I disagree with this one being an IOI. If a girl likes a guy, she’ll generally hush up about any other guys that are in the mix. She wants to seem available, not taken. If she’d dishing about dudes, she’s generally in “girly gossip” mode. Sure, she wants to seem socially desirable. She may make it seem like she’s got an active social schedule, and that she’s the fun, awesome girl that everybody wants to be around. But when a girl wants to collect a guy, she’s much more likely to make him feel like he’s the only guy in the world.
If she does bring up another guy, it’s more likely to be in the context of “he wants me, but I hate him and I wish he would leave me alone”.
I thought that as well, but I think it’s a case-by-case basis. For her, it just seemed as if she was putting on a show. Someone was asking me about my past relationships, and she didn’t look to happy to hear that I’ve had sex before (meaning she didn’t like hearing about my past sexual adventures with girls I dated – even if it was so long ago).
Also, on the spot I downloaded Tinder and started “playing.” I got one of the teachers that were at the table. I showed her, we all laughed, RIGHT AWAY she said, “what if you get me…that’d be weird.”
Then, the only other guy at the table asked me what my type was. I told him, and then RIGHT away she responded with, “well MY type is…” I think it’s much less “I’m going to talk to talk about all the guys I’m involved with in hopes to scare him away,” and more “I want to prove to this guy that my value is just as high as is because I WANTS HIM SO BAD.”
Also, please check out my journal where I talk about the IOIs I get on a daily basis with pheros! 
Playing with her jewelry–unconsciously showing (peacocking) off her shiny jewelry that she wears to accentuate her beauty
Looking right at you while she taps the tip of her Coke/water/drink of choice bottle against her lips unconsciously mind imagining the bottle is your cock
Playing with jewelry is a sign of anxiety. Anxiety itself is not an IOI, and it can actually be the opposite. But yes, showing off expensive jewelry is peacocking.
You can’t know for sure that she’s thinking about your cock when she taps something against her lips. But this is a mannerism of oral fixation, and if she’s watching you, it’s very likely she may be imagining kissing you.