I both Hate and Love you AD. I know it isn't your fault, but still.

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports
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Question: Can you use females vulnerabilities from time to time to get increased hits from mones even accidentally?:confused:
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So I recently got out of a relationship with this girl that was the biggest part of my life. And now she’s gone with my heart and her own. Leaving a big hole.

Met this cute Canadian girl in college. I’m a Swede but she had a parent from here so she decided to do a year abroad in her mom’s hometown.
I knew there was something about her the first time I met her so I didn’t stop there and soon we had our first date at her quite dementia grandparent’s house.

We baked a cake, watched a movie, talked, fell in to playing around and playfully kind of wrestling in bed.
There was a first kiss. But right after that I had to leave and catch a bus back home.
2 days or so after that she returned back to Canada for Christmas.
We kept in touch and eventually she came back.

She’s a gymnast/trampolinist (mostly does trampoline now).
And she had an accident. I went over quite often and had a good time with her and helped her a bit as she had her legs plastered because of thorn ligatures.
She got better but in the meantime it was hard to move around.
We had some pretty nice moments and as getting in to bed involved standing up we built a blanket fort that we spent quite some time in.
And I also ended up losing my virginity in there. It was a cozy safe haven.
We read fifty shades of grey in there and it was a quite entertaining book with some special moments (Don’t know if the writer intended it to be funny).

We went for a trip to a town at the largest lake in the country and walked out on all the tiny bridges and piers encircling the town and kissing on them.
And ended up sheltering from all the cold snow and wind in a playground structure with some “fika”.
Hot chocolate, candy and some other stuff.
We went for a trip to Denmark with some of her friends that came over to visit and had some fun there.

Fast forward (Because why would anybody read the entire life story) >>>>>>>>>

She decided to stay in Sweden and turn down offers from the two best universities in Canada (As far as I’ve gotten that they are).
She got in to a university far far away in Sweden and everything got distant and she got sad.
We managed to find a university closer that was good and we somehow missed it to begin with and she transferred there.
Temporary student housing is super sketchy and I had to go and psyche some guy who had taken her phone and sexually offended her (touching and showing dick, groping and trying to force himself on her).
That went to court later on and he seemed even worse but things ruled in her favor so things ended up well.

This summer was the first time I came with her to Canada to visit her parents. It was fun and interesting.
It’s so much alike but still so very different.
Met her friends and I got to see the city she came from even though she had moved around a lot as a kid its where she lived before she came here.

We also went for a road trip and looked at the Titanic exhibition with narration (It was really depressing yet interesting. Would recommend).
We went to Malmo (Malm?) and visited “folkets park” had IKEA breakfast because she loves IKEA and dreams about working there.
Went across the Oresundsbro(?resundsbro) between sweden and Denmark. We spent a day just messing around there and exploring all the fun things.
We went to Tivoli in Copenhagen and there was some festival thing going on. So the amusement park kept open even at 02:00 at night.
All the rides just turned on the lights on them and the entire amusement park transformed in to another magical happy place.
With live bands and crowds by the scene and beer from the beer country.

Fast forward Again >>>>>>>>>>>>>

As university started again we moved in together in a student apartment 50m2. We furnished it and did all the tings needed to create a little home.
Then she got a new surgery time sent home that would be within a week.
She was due to remove a cyst from an ovary and that’s never nice.
She started to get really nervous and it took some time to calm her down.
It had happened once before when I had to run to my car and speed to the hospital because she was rushed in due to a second one she had before had twisted.
On the way there it was a bit hard as it coincided with a natural catastrophe response simulation by the region simulating the big lake Vanern (V?nern) flooding and taking huge parts of Sweden with it.
So it was chaos.

But I made it there and they didn’t tell me where she was because I’m not a relative.
So I ran to the emergency area and right when I opened the door I saw them rolling her in to a room on a bed.
That was some luck. And I stayed with her the rest of her stay.
She had to have sugery wich was supposed to take 2 hours but 7-8 hours later nobody could still give me an answer so I got really worried.

She got out of surgery eventually and I stayed the night. I brought her the IKEA plush dog that I gave her when she hurt her legs (That also is a bagle(beagle/basset) like her dog in Canada).

When we went in the second time tough it didn’t take as long but still quite a while.
They send her home quite quickly and we tried to walk home but she couldn’t make it and started puking and get pale.
So I got a wheelchair and went off to find somebody.
Stayed the night and then I drove her out to the car, put her in and took her back to the apartment.

Was she was finally rid all the cysts and didn’t have to worry about that anymore.
But a side effect is one very big and long menstruation.
There was a student event coming up and she wasn’t sure so I helped her get ready and patched her up so she could go. Have to have some fun.
I regret that decision.

At the event. (people sit by a table, eat, drink, play games).
She met this guy who suddenly was all she would talk about.
She started to get distant and spent her time texting him instead and didn’t really like it when I tried to talk to her anymore.
Just like that it all fell. I’m still so very confused about what happened. Eventually I ended up getting thrown out and she was just as quick to get laid with the guy.

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Eventually meet with her again and find this odd smell in the room.
As I got some AD pheromones myself now it struck my mind when I first used them.
SAME SMELL.

So I did something unholy and checked his jacket pockets (sorry), jackpot.
A whole bunch of AD TO-GO bottles.
Some MX bottle I forget the number off, Spray version of A314, P102(Don’t know what that one does), one with just an A written on it on a piece of tape, TUTH, AMMO, something called IFM that I can’t find on AD’s website but it seems to be from AD, IS, IH and IO, also TAC.

I really hope he didn’t just use a vulnerable time to ruin everything :frowning:.

So damn you AD and yet not because I still like you guys so I take it back but want to say it again even though it wasn’t you.

Don’t know what to do now but does anybody have an answer to the question on top?

//sadWizard :frowning:

Sorry for spelling errors. I ran it through Word 2010.

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one thing i just realised with my last gf or few is it really aint worth changing everything for her and adapting your life wholey to make a life for you together. I know when you are in love you get that feeling that you would do everything for her, but at that point take off your rosy glasses and see you are moving into a state of desperation. When the slide starts happening it is one directional….. next time you go out to these social events if you want the best for yourself, always where your mones. this is what i am quickly realizing… with the whole selection of mones you have there one can go find a new better girl and forget all that baggage she made you carry for her.

good story though it really shows what emotional creatures women are who can just get swept away in the moment based on their ‘instincts’ despite what someone has done for them. spend some time being that guy and taking exactly what you want in life. just carry your own baggage mate take the positive from this and realise how damn effective these pheros are haha

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From that description of the lady involved, it shouldn’t be to hard for the culprit to recognise himself and own-up! :stuck_out_tongue: :smiley:

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I don’t get what’s the point of telling us the tiniest of details. It’s like you want the guy to find you and punch you in the face for looking through his jacket without his permission.

You seem to like this girl more than she likes you. To be honest, I don’t think pheromones are strong enough to make anyone change their mind about someone they truly and really like. When I have strong feelings for someone, I don’t care how much attractive, friendly, trustworthy, or sexy another person is; I’m fixed on only that one person. Believe me when I say, it’s a lot better for you to lose her now than to end up in a one-sided relationship. Unrequited love sucks a lot. If she didn’t find you worth her while and chose some random ‘attractive’ guy over you, then you’re better off without her in the long run.

Just drop her and move on. I know it’s probably really hard for you now because you feel like this girl is perfect for you, but believe me when I say it’s only just in your head and there will plenty more who are better than her in the future.

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I must say I agree - no phero will make anyone do anythig they are not already substantially capable of doing.

Maybe his mones helped tip the balance, yes but IMO she allready had her mind made-up to jump to another guy and was just biding her time. IME women are a lot more conniving about this than you would want to give them credit for - usually, by the time the guy even begins to get the first hint that something may be changing, she’s already well down the line from having made her decision to bail. Usually having reconciled herself with the pain and consequences of her decision. Been here before - oh-too-many times. :frowning:

I’ll also say that there are some aspects of your described behaviour, whilst absolutely honourable and laudible, also serve as very serious attraction killers in many relationships. Being too caring, accomodating, helpful, apreciative and “there” for someone can often end-up having you seen as just a friend - or maybe FWB in this case?

You mention ovarian surgery - Again there may be something here. I don’t know if the exact mechanism is known (hormonal maybe?) but there is a significant correlation between some types of behavioural issues/changes/instabillities and having had ovarian work done. Late teens/early 20s is also still of an age where many of us (male and female) are going through big emotional changes/development anyway and still finding themselves to quite some extent - what they may find attractive at one point in this period may not be sustained a little down the line.

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Thank you for your responses. I really appreciate them.

von_phero
I didn’t necessarily change myself to much for her or give up things to be with her.
She was clear about that part. (Or maybe I just feel that way. Don’t think so though)

The thing was just that the slide came as a sudden slope. I was happily sailing till I reached the worlds end.
Things where pretty normal until it all collapsed. Think it would have been easier if it would have sloped.
To work out the feelings as they go downwards. Unfortunately it was as sudden as airplane turbulence.
But she didn’t really force me to carry all the baggage, she always wanted to help no matter what the baggage was.

True, I sure don’t doubt them having effects on people now. And I’ll think about that.
I just think I need to get things sorted in my head for a day or a few first. But hey.
Maybe I’ll do something now and do a report the weekend if there’s a fun theme going about at the student club or a local one.
Because following the theme means free entry = more money for drinks in student economy times.

mobocaster
Haha, maybe :slight_smile:. Who wouldn’t be in the wonderful forums if they use AD.

Treehugger
I just wanted to tell part of my story. It helped a bit to write it all out.
And if he feels like he needs to then I don’t see him winning in doing so anyway.

It wasn’t really a one sided relationship. We did a lot of things and where happy. It’s not like she didn’t partake in things.
Sometimes I’ve overdone myself a bit on my part but it was later returned from her.
No matter in sickness or depression, be it a stomach flu or life event.

Sorry, I’m just talking against you now. I read what you wrote and you have a valid point.
I shouldn’t hook myself up on this too much. And I felt like you do for people you have strong feelings for.
I guess it just wasn’t as strong opposite side.

And I’m not too sure about his attractiveness, but. (Changed my mind on that part. I guess he is with weighing in factors like math knowledge and that).

mobocaster
That’s really sad to hear :frowning:. I didn’t know it could work like that. Thanks for sharing.
And hope you’re ok now that you are a pheromone sorcerer.
Maybe this is what happened. I don’t want it to be but it sounds like it might have been.
Would have been nice if she would have cared enough to take it out slowly and easily if she had her mind set.

Caring for her and making her happy made me happy. I never really wanted to go in for it to just be there when it suited.
Sad thing it could work that way. But I guess I got a bit wiser then. I guess it might have landed in some kind of FWB zone and even just a friend.
It’s not like we did anything some time before the surgery because of the type of surgery.

Yes she did have it for the second time this time.
There where cysts on both ovaries that had to be removed.
This was the last one. And after that there shouldn’t really be any clouds in the sky left.
But as the sky cleared up she flew away instead.

Maybe something hormonal. I know women change hormonally when menstruating and some women can get really affected by it.
I know that the first time she had it done I drove her back to my place to keep an eye on her (also nicer bed and fresher air on the country side).
Because she wasn’t supposed to be alone the first days. I took care of her and all of that as she recovered.
But it was also a hard week as she got really depressed and angry sometimes about simple things and sometimes I felt like I was portrayed as just an annoyance.
But that went back to normal after around a week. She felt sorry for her behavior and life moved on that time.
So I’m sure it does do change things.
Maybe I and everything close to her was an annoyance (including her at that time plush elephant).
And that he was a distant thing only coming in with happiness.

In conclusion of these answers: Does this mean that caring and being there could be a bad thing if taken to a certain level? Because it seems that way.

I’m unsure about where to go from here with her. She was both my Love and Best friend.
I have other friends but there’s a different type of friendship included with the love.
And I knew it was time to act when I met her. She was so different and perfect and I love her personality.
Just seeing her made me happy.

There’s a lot of people from various places around the world here and probably everywhere.
But maybe she could at least be a marker telling me that what I’m searching for might not be in Sweden.
And that I might have to go for an adventure to UK or Canada to find somebody like her again.
And if I ever do. I’ll make sure to post a journal with my findings and try some new phero combos.

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I kind of want to stay in touch with her even after this. Because I don’t want her rid entirely of my life.
And I never regret anything and having her as my first will always be something I treasure deeply.
It’s just, could it be bad to do something like that?

And if not, do you think IS and/or IH could be applicable when seeing her again or another suggestion?
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It’s amazing how fast my English went to crap after not actively texting and talking in English anymore.

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NICE guys finish last. It’s been said over and over and over again.

You’re NOT there, he is.

THE UGLY TRUTH: The story is over. Move on.

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i’m sure you’re a good guy and you did fine mate.. losing the girl you lost your virginity to is always going to happen and is for the best..

everyone has baggage mate and sounds like you cared for her in a time of need. She will appreciate that always but that’s not what she fantasises about and probably not what you do either…. Your next girlfriends will be much hotter and much more fun with the more confidence and experience you get.. You are already in a better position than you were before you met her once the pain heals.

now i’m a sucker for foreign birds and i thought sweden was where all the hot birds are! mate i spend all my time chasing foreign birds in the uk… then chasing them out the country!

ps on wearing IS + IH around an ex i wouldn’t do it. i did the same and she told me she felt ‘liberated.’ i was like ok see you later then. respect yourself and pursue a life of luxury.

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Sorry man, I didn’t mean to sound like an asshole with my question if that’s the vibe you got :wink:

You seem like a caring and mature person for your age but you’re still young when it comes to people and relationships. I was also naive (for lack of a better word) at your age when it came to dealing with people. This doesn’t only apply to women but to people of both genders. Caring too much for most people when you’re not that close makes them take advantage of you. They find some emotional security within you, use it up, then move along. They will think of you as that “nice guy” but you will not be given priority in their lives, because to them you’re very easy and available when they need you.

It’s the sad truth of how human social behavior works. People are just complex animals, nothing more. They want to ensure their survival, and they’ve already got you on their side no matter what so why would they care about you? Read up on evolutionary psychology if you’re interested in how people tick and the whole balance of power thing.

This doesn’t mean that your personality is faulty. If anything, the world needs more people like you. You just need to learn how to give gradually instead of being that open to people you like.

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I spent this weekend out and enjoying myself. I’ve started to test out mones one by one now and hopefully I might have something to post and share in a while. Leaving this behind and pursuing some fun then. Thanks for the heads up on the IS + IH!

There are quite a few. Just got in to the whole foreign personality thing. Much more straight forward in situations that a Swede would normally hide. Haha, chasing them out to. Can’t they handle what they’ve gotten themselves into :wink:?

I’ll try to think about that more from now on and be a bit more of a high on demand commodity instead of always being at hand. So that the person remembers that it’s nice when I’m around and don’t take it for granted. Guess I’ll trump down a bit on the caring factor for my own sake till I’m a bit older unless I’m 110% on the person being good with it.

Sounds interesting with the evolutionary psychology and a bit disappointing. Might give that a shot.

I’ll be more careful from now on in those aspect. Thanks for your advice :slight_smile:.

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good on ya ma son! i just love foreign birds, their accents etc they just get me going, i find them more interesting and believe in diversifying the gene pool.

i just wore 2 x ammo and 1 x p96 when seeing my ex girlfriend, i think it went ok. she in fact called me today and we spoke at length on the phone, she wanted another little favour but in fact is still making me an incredibly well crafted and elegant gift. it actually seemed like she is seeing me in a new light. i’m thinking the best idea is ignoring her, ignoring the new fit bird for a bit and go out looking for new ones testing out all these crazy sprays hoping to one day use them more effectively..