I must be broken

Again, I don’t agree with anyone in this thread who claims this man was offensive. Absolutely silly, and what I think has happened is people are reacting to his statements because of their own insecurities (or want to play hero), and not because they feel the OP was offended.

TrantorX, I agree with you 100% regarding the difference between americans and Europeans. I’m american, but I’ve spent time in Europe and the difference is very clear. I admire the way many Europeans can speak hoenstly, and don’t worry so much about being PC, or saying “the right thing”. This even shows in their sense of humor, which in some countries, can be very sarcastic (which I like). I want to hear the truth, and facts, not a bunch of fluff which does nothing but waste time and slow down the process of finding important solutions to problems. People here are always talking about what they want, what they need, and how they feel. Very insecure, extremely sensitive, and very self-centered, probably because they have such a warped perspective on the world. Certainly not everyone (and if you’re not, you shouldn’t be bothered by what I just said) is like this, but the % is much higher here than in other countries I’ve been to.

You shouldn’t be too surprised though, because this is a country that worships people like Oprah Winfrey, who IMO is a stone cold idiot who I wouldn’t walk into the next room to meet, and has made hundreds of millions of dollars by making excuses for people’s (and her own) stupid behavior. For example, this a person who is a colossal failure at losing weight and being healthy. Yet, for many, many years she has continued to act as an expert on this subject, and people follow her words (and spend a lot of money where she tells them to) like a messiah. Why? Because she makes excuses for them, and people gladly pay her millions because so they don’t have to ever face the cold hard facts.

The things you’ve said about truth/facts/americans are illustrated perfectly by this subject alone.

There’s only one bit of advice that anyone needs who is overweight…Eat normal amounts of healthy food (fruits/vegetables) and get some daily exercise. Consume less calories in a day than your body burns off. The reason you should do this is so you will have a healthy body. Nno other reasons necessary, or nearly as important.

That’s it. You follow this simple advice and you will lose weight and be healthy.

Unfortunately, that advice isn’t what many americans want to hear. They want to blame everyone and everything but themselves, comlicate the issue to the point where it allows them to fail and not feel it was their own fault, and ignore the fact that they make the physical motion of putting food in their hands and shoveling it into their face more often in a day than they should. That’s why the diet industry has made billions over the years. Proves your points 100%. The diet industry, along with people like Oprah, allow those with weight problems to live in denial and do everything BUT what’s necessary. Despite all this, today this country is fatter than ever. The end result has been massive failure, but don’t try to tell people the cold hard facts, because all you’ll get is denial, excuses, and a lot of hysterics. They want you to carefully choose your words, and be PC.

In France, where the food is very rich, you still don’t see many heavy people. They know the facts about food/exercise/, accept them, and stay slim and healthy. I was in a city in Eastern Europe recently where it was almost impossible to find a heavy person. This is a thriving city of 2 milion, where people live just as well as those in any major american city. The people there simply have decided to face facts, and control their eating habits. They exercise. If they can do it, so can americans. No excuses. They also are people who speak very honestly and directly. Their humor is very sarcastic, and you know what?..I loved it.

I’ll give you an example. I walked up to the ticket counter at an airport in Eastern Europe and said to the woman there, “I have a 2pm flight to Vienna and…”. She interrupted with, “Good for you.” Now I found her remark funny because it was so unexpected (which was her intention), and I smiled and almost laughed out loud. She tried to hold back a smile but one crept through just slightly when she saw my reaction. Many americans find people form this part of the world to be cold and rude when in fact they are very warm, friendly, and VERY funny. It’s just that they don’t bother with fluff and politically correctness. I met a stunningly beautiful woman (puts Victoria Secret supermodels to shame) who was so different than women I’m used to because she was so strong and confident. She and I actually had fun making little insults towards each other, but she was such a strong person that anything I said was just like water off a duck’s back. She and other people there like strong people. Not extremely sensitive people who get upset over the littlest things.

So yes, there is a big difference between americans and Europeans, and unfortunately that’s what you’ve had to endure in this thread. :slight_smile:

I would try and ignore the criticsm you’ve received in this thread and go on and enjoy the forum. I’ve been reading this forum a lot over the past month, and these people seem nice and want to be helpful. In this case, I think they’ve just overreacted and made something out of absolutely nothing at all.

LOL. Sorry I have to say this.

Why is TrantorX trying so hard to defend his credentials on an ‘anonymous’ internet forum?

Sheesh, apologise already, dude. Whether you’re a successful professional or guy-who-still-lives-with-mom-at-age-40 in real life we don’t really care - as long as you’ve got a good reason for using pheromones and can contribute in a mature fashion to the forum, say whatever you want. We’re all here to improve ourselves in one way or another. We can learn from each other as long as there’s a culture of non-malice.

Play nice.

Lets please refrain from calling each other names or insulting or disrespecting a entire country. I am sure we can get our opinions across without reducing our selfs to this. This is not directed at one particular person but all of us :wink:

Copycat,

I am going to go over your posts tonight to see how much you used and the details and see what I can come up with.

I do think TAF will be helpful to you. Taf helps you focus and although its not the answer to ADD it may help you be able to pick up on the hits or changes in behavior easier.

I do hope you consider the other suggestions I made as well. You remind me very much of my friend. She has mild self esteem issues and when we go out I can see her pull into her shell and hide. There are times when I will blatantly see someone hitting on her or showing IOI and she doesn’t have a clue. She doesn’t notice at all because her issues with self esteem consume all her thoughts in this situation. Even when I point it out to her she wont notice it. Building confidence can help in so many areas of life to.

TRANTORX

I dont care how much money you make. I dont care how long you have been a doctor. I dont care how old you are. None of these things makes being hurtful acceptable. Obviously from the replys you received feelings were hurt. Before you say you were responding to copycat keep in mind you already said you were not referring to her in your previous post. “i did in no way refer to the original poster as a person.”

I will remind you again, she is a person and you responded to her post.

You speak alot of truth and glossing things over. Truth is relative, Your truth may not be the same as my truth but it doesn’t make either of them false.

Answer me this.

What color is more pretty ?

Blue or Pink

What animal is better a cat or a dog ?

To you it may be blue or dogs. To me it may be cats or pink but which one of us speaks the truth. Would I be glossing it over to say pink is better. Truth is a perception of what you believe. We can only agree to disagree in this situation.

But I will ask you to refrain from disrespecting a whole country because our truths are different. I do take offense to that. It is prejudice at its worse

Tisha

PS I am trying to make a point here, I wonder who will pick up on it LOL,

DaveGF,
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and I respect yours. I don’t agree with it, but I respect it. Here’re a couple of mine…

I have traveled widely, too. Your generalizations of Americans and Europeans don’t hold up. Everyone everywhere in the world is a unique individual and will act and think as such. Please don’t try to categorize us, our thoughts and our feelings. You are not everyone. You are only you.

Don’t get on your soapbox about obesity unless you’ve been there and fought it and EVERYTHING THAT GOES WITH IT your entire life. It’s NOT that simple. Or easy.

An offense, much like sexual harrassment, is perceived by an individual. You can’t say “that didn’t offend you”. You are not that person - what offends you may not offend me and vice versa. Obviously, many people took offense to what was said earlier in what I will presume was an honest attempt to give an opinion. AN INDIVIDUAL OPINION. End of story. Offense was taken. It can’t be taken back… it can be made worse or appologized for and forgiven. But you can’t make someone NOT take offense at something.

This forum is a community - a very supportive, friendly and helpful one, as several people on both sides of this issue have noted. Its social norms were violated early in this thread; the violator caught flak. What could be more straightforward than that? What would a flexible, adaptive response to this correction look like?

You can argue with that reality if you like, and make excuses about PC this, American that, or you can derail the thread further with your own agenda about obesity and Oprah (wtf!) but you can’t escape the facts.

Oprah and weight loss have as much to do with this thread as Tantorx use of politically correct zealous Americans. Not all of the people responding to the post are Americans.

This is the womens section of a public forum, as was pointed out there is a sticky for men to read before posting here. I am neither inscecure or trying to be a hero. I simply did not appreciate the response that was given. It was neither an attempt at truth or humor but one mans opinion and a very ugly view of it at that. Had it been a humorous post no one would be responding to him in this way.

Check out the forum a bit more, we’re having a blast and enjoying humor of all varieties across the board. What we aren’t doing is being hurtful, judgemental or rude.

So you and Trantorx stand alone! It really makes no difference whether you considered his statments ofensive or not, they DID offend a number of people in the forum. And, now you’re going to jump in and say that everyone BUT him is being silly, then make suggestions of insecurity?

I’m sure that the statements I and others made offended nobody but Trantorx, but did that make them any less offensive?

And then you sympathize with Trantorx for having to endure people defending one of our beloved members and suggest that he ignore us!

And further, you want to insult us Americans by saying that we are insecure, to sensitive and very self-centered? My friend if that’s the way you feel, then maybe you should go find a phero forum that isn’t based in America and operated by an American company!

Dear Copycat,

Check out TherapyGirl’s thread - “MX134 Raised My Stock Value”. Her experience made a big difference in helping me to understand the value of pheromones. She has learned things about herself through pheromones that most of us can only aspire to.

I think I’m starting to ‘get it’. Maybe in a few more days i’ll be able to articulate this a little better in my journal. Very early friday AM, I was in a situation that i haven’t been in for several years. I was in a city i seldom go to and ended up walking around in real bad part of town in the dark of night. A very few years ago i would have certainly had .38 pistol in reach. You know the story,

"Hound dog barks in the middle of the night. Put my hand in my pocket and I feel alright"ZZ Top

This time i didn’t even have a decent knife. In my old worldview of not long ago, I would have been completely naked. What i did have on me this time was a few mcg. of pheromones. Somehow i knew that it was all going to work out. Even if we did have to dance a few steps, as long as i could stay upwind I knew that I could still have the edge I needed.

I never would have imagined that i would/could ever say this. If I could only choose one, my trusty Raven pocket rocket or a few vials of perfume, I would choose the perfume. It has more flexibility. More possibilities. I believe that pheromones give me a sharp enough edge, a big enough advantage to deal effectively and sucessfully with almost any situation.

My dear feline friend, it was TherapyGirl who opened my eyes to the possibility that this is not really about “hits” or the physical or chemical effects that we can have on other people. It’s not even about the hormonal changes that we create in ourselves. Pheromones enhance almost every method or perspective we use in dealing with our lives. The effects are overwelmingly positive. It is as though pheromones are an uber tool that lubricates any other tool we choose to use and makes it smoother, faster, sharper. Pheromones are the trump card in the fresh hand that we are all dealt every time we step out the door in to the world.

Like you, I have yet to experience it, but it is my belief, my hope, my prayer that these simple scents make both you and I better able to love and to be loved.

YoursTruely,OoohYahhh

I started a war?

Seems to me there are two threads going here - one concerns my self esteem and inability to nail down the right products for me, the other has to do with Trantorx.

For the record, Trantorx didn’t offend me. I realize there’s some truth in part of his message and he’s speaking from his own experience of the world. I also realize that he did offend others here, and for that I’m sorry. I didn’t see the potential for this to turn into a bash on Americans, Germans, Europeans, or overweight people.

In any case, I’m not going to get “fat sucking” based on his posting. My curves are in all the right places. :slight_smile:

CopyCat

OoohYahhh,

Thanks for tip, I’m heading there now (TherapyGirl’s thread - “MX134 Raised My Stock Value”).

Your post meant a lot to me. And I know exactly what you mean - wrong place, right tools.

God I miss Texas.

CopyCat

Lol, sorry copycat. Couldn’t help it. He was so annoying I got distracted. :stuck_out_tongue:

Nah copycat, it’s not that you miss Texas, you just wanna come back so you can meet me. That’s OK, cause I luv ya too! :wink:

***Don’t give up woman!!
WE have a ton of great advisers here and the right combo will come along for you. You always bring me up and cheer me with your positive vibes. I appreciate and love havin’ you around…you’re a beauty inside and out for sure. Reps for being so strong. Ain’t no reason to feel low around here when we got a jackpot of collective knowledge supporting us!!
Luv ya woman. Chin up :wink:

~M~


Copycat

Ok went over all your posts. Your not giving me much to go on here LOL I just found one on IS/A with enough details on what you did to try to figure out what will help.

Now you may have tried some of these suggestions I don’t know but I will make them and we can work from there.

First your 40, I dont know if you were ever on the BC pill in your lifetime. Your close to my age and yes I have been on most my life except when I had kids obviously LOL

Firstly as women age they tend to make less pheromones especially copulins, we would need to wear more then the younger people we see posting. I am speaking generally there is always exceptions to the rule because each person is different but it is consistent with most users.

So while 2 or 3 drops of EOW or a small amount of copulins can work great for the younger ladies we need more. Dolly taught me this when I first started using copulins. I could not get them to work for the life of me. Months trying until one day she told me “girl your not using enough of the stinky goodness to effect him” Use more. I did and whamo it was a hit parade.

I have found this consistent with some other mixes as well. The mixes here have a small amount of copulins in them. I always have to supplement with EOW or Lust After Me or I buy certain products with 5X or 20X the cops. EOW from Lovescent is the cheaper easier way and gives you more versatility in case you are not going for the sexy sexual type hits and want to use your mix.

In your report you used no more then 3 sprays of IS/A at a given time. You also applied and then rode on a motorcycle to your destination. You mention feeling queasiness and dizzy. If you feel this way still pull over on the motorcycle cause dizzy and driving dont mix LOL

No seriously when some people start out as there body adjusts they do get that head rush feeling and sometimes some queasiness. Generally it will pass as you adjust.

I would apply after you have been on the bike unless your using oil like eow or Lust After Me which is heavier then the sprays. Those you can apply and cover in the morning before going out.

Skip wrist application, they suck in my opinion LOL Yes I know we tell people at first wrists because there is a pulse point there but I find it to not be the best application spot.

Neck hair chest behind ears sweeping up the arm hell if I have shorts on or a short T that shows my mid drift I will spray there as well. Covering a larger area on the body helps with diffusion. If you read my womens guide you know that diffusion is “king” according to Michael. Without it you just have stink LOL

Here is a post on methods you can try for application

Now if the products still make you queasy apply to the back of hair neck and lower extremities but skip the chest. Remember heat rises and the molecule rise with it. Also hold your breath when you apply. If I inhale Ishine while its wet and unsettled on my skin I get such a head rush.

Now I am assuming you have tested more then 3 sprays of each product you have. Truth be told now after years of experience with pheromones I can pick up on hits with 2 sprays but they are very subtle. I dont think I could have when first starting out. I was looking for something more dramatic like most newbies. Remember what I mentioned above about our age. It works the same for men which is why they sell Double AMMO and TUTH 5.0 and we tell guys over 40 the should get those so they can use less sprays and not be over scented.

The ladies dont have that option, Hey… :frowning: (do you hear me SteveO Jasmin and Michael) we can add cops but not get a Isex 2x Hmmmph Ok sorry for the little rant LOL

You need to test a higher dose if you havnt already.

I will tell you how much I generally use for myself to see strong hits. I will sometimes like I said use less for more subtle reactions but lets just get you to the hits before we go there.

ISex a or b 5 to 7 sprays :open_mouth: yes I know its alot LOL

MX135 4 to 5 sprays I use less because of the strong scent of chocolitini. I get better hits with more but its just do much scent for me. I am still testing MX235 which I feel has less diffusion because the scent leaves less sillage but I think I could get away with more of MX235. Now if I just liked the scent LOL

Lam 6 to 10 drops I never get it in ylang ylang anymore I hate that smell I get mine in grapefruit.

IH I use 4x 3 to 4 sprays

Ishine 3 to 5 sprays

IO I dont use this alot, I find it annoying LOL 2 to 4 sprays

EOW 10 drops

MX274 gosh I can load this one on I love it so much I have used as much as 8 sprays I like around 5

If there is another one you want to know about just ask.

You will notice that alot of the younger posters use less

I have never heard a complaint about over scenting in case your curious. It does smell strong to me and I ask trusted friends and they will tell me the truth, they always do LOL

Now when I am layering in a combo I will cut down on those numbers a bit. If you dont then you will be over scented.

Now lets talk about TAF which we mentioned before. A nifty little molecule LOL

It helps with focus or more accurately it helps you pay attention to details more.

We often use it when testing a new putative because putatives are really hard to get a handle on at first. With putatives you can get all sorts of reactions that have nothing to do with getting a hit. Its hard to see if it makes a person calm or feel laid back unless they verbally say “i feel laid back” snort. TAF pulls those details out into the open. It can take a mix an make it more obvious. If you do decide to add this to your arsenal get 12.5 or better. Use one spray with your other mixes and see if that helps.

Now without getting to personal which I probably already did LOL Do you work out. Not for the weight loss benefits but for the feeling of euphoria its gives you. I know I know before a workout I am dragging my ass and whining but afterward I feel great and my attitude and outlook on everything is positive. This feeling projects out into the world and I always get great compliments after I have been working out. I think it adds to your aura. Then when you get those compliments you feel even better and that adds to it to. Before youn know it nothing can stop you.

You dont have to go to a gym either, Where do you live ??? Minnesota. Its beautiful there. I understand you recently moved from Texas and I know its hard to meet people and get out there when your the newbie.

I bet they have hiking clubs (I love hiking in the woods) and I know they have biking clubs. Look into the local clubs they usually post them in town hall.

http://www.exploreminnesota.com/assets/images/green/hiking.jpg

Hell who wouldn’t want to hike in these beautiful surrounding. CT has shit for hiking. I usually go home to the farm in upstate NY to hike. It refreshes the mind to. I know I am a bit weird but I am wiccan and I thrive in nature.

A big plus hiking clubs have men LOL Trip over a rock by chance and they are all over ya :wink:

Once I know more info on how you used the products I will be able to come up with more tips.

Tisha

My grandparents were German. Strong capable and independent people who did not mince words. Yet, they were never cruel or hateful.

I am married to a European man who refuses to ‘embrace’ the pc of America. Yet, neither is he thoughtlessly cruel or mean to people.

I have lived in a diverse ethnic community most of my life and have LOVED it. My experience is that most people enjoy and appreciate the differences in each other as well as the similarities if there is no DISRESPECT.

I don’t care where you come from … a little kindness doesn’t cost you one penny.

I simply do not see where pc … or Oprah have anything to do with offending other people.

Just my opinion

Tisha23 , thank you thank you for your post on application tips etc … for us ladies over 40. I think that may be the problem i have been having when experimenting as well. I have printed it all out so that i can easily review it off line.

back to the drawing board LOL

hugs from Puppet

I agree with most everyone who has posted here, and especially with what Puppet just said. Different cultures have different approaches to communication, but I think most cultures are aware of what universally constitutes rudeness. I don’t think it’s valid to fall back on your ethnicity or culture to excuse meanness.

That aside, I’m also in agreement with what people have said to you, Copycat, about not being broken. I know how frustrating it is to have the products here not seem to work for you when they work for everyone else. Tisha is right when she says you may just be needing more. I hope you continue to try, because the pheros here are wonderful! I’m sure you just need to find your sweetspot, and your personal chemical makeup may mean you just naturally need more product than some other people.

Keep trying! Keep reporting! The old guys here (heh, so to speak :wink:) know what they are talking about! Let them know what you are using exactly, and take advantage of their expertise. I’m sure a solution can be found. :slight_smile:

I apologize for my part in this as well. I’m of German descent myself and have traveled there. It’s a beautiful place full of warm and friendly people. I intended no offense to or judgement about country or nationality.

Tisha: Thanks for pointing out the Tisha’s Application Tips thread - I hadn’t seen that one so far in my browsing this forum - and reps for that.

Aw. busted!