I Think She Likes Me, But That's Not Good....

So that girl that I was telling you guys about??

Well, I think she likes me.

We were at our meeting today, and I volunteered to give a presentation. I looked over to her, and from her reaction, it seemed that she wanted to do it with me, but didn’t want to seem to obvious.

It was a ‘you had to see it’ type of thing to understand it.

Then she got my attention later in the meeting, and seemed almost nervous and timid talking to me (when usually she seems happy and smiles a lot).

Whenever I leave the room or talk, she almost ALWAYS has the DIHL look, just staring at me.

When we were leaving from the meeting, it seemed that she was timing it so that she could leave when I left (unfortunately a friend of mine, who she’s not a HUGE fan of, intercepted me).

Why this isn’t good? I had a revelation, and I think she may have had the same one…

It just isn’t going to work out. Next semester, she has LITERALLY 0 time. Her sport owns her life. I will NEVER see her (and she’s busy enough as it is this semester).

It almost makes sense that, if she dates, it’s another track athlete (the other guy). He’s ALWAYS going to be there, and he’s essentially going to be her best friend, the same face, everyday next semester.

Our lives are just too incongruent, unfortunately.

I’m not too bent out of shape about this. Obviously, I wish things were different, but c’est la vie. It’s not a matter of “if she likes you, she’ll make time for you,” because it’s IMPOSSIBLE for her to make time.

Which leads me to ANOTHER point. This girl with a LTR. I’m not chasing her, but I feel like she’s awfully comfortable around me. I don’t give her any emotional support or anything like that, but it’s almost as if I’m one of her best friends here (although we don’t really hang out? She walks with me and talks to me whenever she sees me though). She goes home EVERY weekend, and I’m trying to convince her that (because I go home a lot of weekends as well) she and I should hang out sometime. I think with a TAD of persistence, I can make this happen. I think I’ve made it pretty clear to her that, as long as she has a BF, I’m not gonna lay a finger on her, or show the least bit of interest.

Also, now I have my P90X results up (finished it!:stuck_out_tongue:) some girls are randomly coming to talk to me now. In the hallways in my dorm, going to class, and cute ones too! But, I’m not the type to slow down and care.

Well, just my two cents (told you guys I’d keep you updated), now I have a paper to write…

EDIT: And since I have been wearing the A314+IShine, she hasn’t really gotten into close contact with me. Oh well…

I would say if you like her it doesn’t really matter dude and if she really does like you she will make time to hangout with you. Just my opinion on the subject. Don’t let the little things like this stop you, but if you are over her than yea go for some one else.

That’s the thing. Neither of us ‘have time.’ You guys just have to trust me on that one. She’s a D1 athlete, and I’m studying hardcore to get into law school, I think it’s almost an unspoken understanding that we are just incongruent and it won’t work. But my 6th sense is tingling, I really do think she likes me at least a little, but I think she’s fighting it.

Are you sure you’re not just making excuses laker?

Its not that you dont “have time” We always have time to do whats important to us. Time is something thats of abundance. Its something we all create.

Life is busy, there will always be something that takes up your time but amazingly we all make time for whats important to us. You find time to eat, sleep, study, go to work and class etc etc. You even found time to post on this forum.

In life the only things we dont have time for are the things that are not important to us. If she were then you would make time and if your important to her she will do the same.

Its OK of course if your dating her is not important in your life right now but just realize that its not “times” doing that dictated what you can and cant do its what you choose to fill your time with.

Tisha

Could have said it better my self.

FINALLY got to try A314+IShine on her today.

I was already in the room, and she sat relatively close to me.
We started talking about our proms, and then one of the girls interrupted my story. Then, this girl said “wait, what were you saying?” This isn’t the first time I was interrupted and she was interested in what I had to say.

She looked absolutely GORGEOUS today. She’s an athlete, and usually dresses as such, but today she was wearing a skirt and cowboy boots. I don’t know if that was FOR ME, but she was incredibly sexy today.

I was standing behind her at one point, and I noticed her hair was a little disorganized, so I took the liberty of flipping it back. As I did, she kind of tossed her head back to look at me, but I walked away before anything could be said/done (stupid move, I know).

So yeah, I’m pretty sure she likes me, but frankly, I don’t even know what my next move is. I think just straight up asking her on a date is a TERRIBLE move, and I’m also thinking that we are incongruent and it may not work (as I said earlier).

I guess, in other words, HELP!

Do you have msn or skype? If so just PM me your info, much easier to discuss things via instant chat, better answers and faster ones as well.

HAHA thanks for the offer, but I prefer this discussion blog type where a bunch of people can bounce ideas around and converse.

I would recommend you wear AMMO with her. Also, A314 is too strong.

Okay, I was just thinking faster but ill try to help anyway.

Like thomaslavoie said AMMO would be good mone to wear while you are around her. I would initiate a conversation with her nothing sexual at first just basic talk, throwing in some humor, watch her body language when you can see that she is more relax and has let her guard down start slowly diverting to more sexual flirty talk, keep watching her body language to see if she goes back to being guarded and defensive and if you are standing I would recommend lightly grasping her hand for a split second while telling her something just to see how see reacts to it, if she keeps her guard down after that and doesn’t get all defensive then I would close the conversation by asking her if she is busy on such and such day or getting her phone number. Your more likely to get denied if you start out trying to do this because chances are she will be more guarded at the beginning of the conversation. Wear some IH with the ammo when talking to her, maybe some IShine too to help lighten things up.

Thanks!

I was wearing Ammo + IH 4X + IShine, and someone (don’t remember who) told me to change it to A314 + IShine.

Actionwise, what do you recommend? I’m going to see her this Sunday again (it seems that I only see her on our club meeting days, but she always displays IOIs, or at least what I THINK are IOIs).

Agreed! Tisha put it perfectly! I always hate when people say that. When it comes down to it… in a pinch you will always make time for the most important things… even if that means cutting out less important things. Career aspirations and dreams can be plenty important but it’s not like you have to stop having a life completely. You just need to find the right balance.

shrugs Keep in mind that a LTR might include cutting out certain recreation, hobbies (or doing them together if you have them in common), and/or friends on occasion for the time being because between school and your girl you might not have a whole lot of free time. But if it’s worth it… if she’s worth it and you can convince her you’re worth it… you both will find the time one way or another. Just be careful not to get too distracted and your school start suffering too much. :wink: Hehehe… it can be easy to do when ya find a good thing. :stuck_out_tongue:

You guys are probably right…

IDK. Maybe I’m starting to freak out a little bit. I’m trying SO hard not to friend zone, but I feel that any move I make would just lead to a world of awkwardness.

Hahaha! That is the worst part, isn’t it? That awkward in-between limbo. Should I? Shouldn’t I? Do I want to risk the friendship? Is it worth the risk if we get together and things don’t work out? The list goes on. sighs and shrugs

To be honest, that’s probably why I prefer dating people I don’t really know that well. You really can’t lose there. If it works out, great. If not, it’s not like you can lose a friendship that was never there. Still, you’re concerns are valid. Sometimes that is the one thing that keeps friendships intact. You both like each other but after dating for a while you both come to decide that you just don’t have the time and it’s better to be friends.

Idk, tho. I tend to think that more results out of fear because I’ve seen people do some amazing stuff to make the time for one another/what/who is important to them. To be honest, though, it doesn’t sound like you are in a hurry and have known the girl for a while. I know the fear always is, “what if someone snatches her up while I wait to move” which does happen from time to time in such situations unfortunately. shrugs For all you know, she’s been thinking about it too and is just waiting for you to actually work up the courage to ask.

That being said, you are going to be a lawyer so down the road there will be plenty of options for you either way if you continue on your path. It doesn’t seem like you are in a rush so I don’t see why you can’t take a casual approach. If you had a good wingman I’d say, spark up a casual conversation with her during a time period were you’d likely both be free for a bit. He approaches while you are in mid-conversation and reminds you that you two were suppose to grab a bit or ask you to come grab something. Something along those lines. shrugs At either rate, you act like you don’t wanna break away from the convo because it’s good… and casually invite her to come along.* She might hesitate. You ask your friend if he minds. He’s like na. Sure. etc etc. You look back at her. If she’s still hesitant you put on a little charm. Maybe a come on. Realistically, even if she wants to come, if she’s the nice type she’s going to play a little coy as if she doesn’t want to impose. You ask a little convincing and boom. Lunch. While walking there you maybe ask him here he wants to go. He doesn’t care and asks you. You either make a decision and look to her to see if that sounds good or shrug it off like you don’t care and ask her what she’s in the mood for. (Can I guess subway? :stuck_out_tongue:)**

Now realistically, the wingman can either stick around for a bit or whatever he wants to do. At some point, though, if the convo is still going well he’ll “have to do something” and bounce leaving the two of you to yourselves.

In that situation some IO might be great. Maybe some IH too. The key is to get a good vibe going and actually learn more about her. If you are good at being subtle and the openings arise, a little harmless flirting/teasing never hurts.

At any rate, at some point you want to excuse yourself. You got to go. You forgot you have something to do. Whatever. You want to leave her wanting more as the saying goes. Maybe a hug good-bye. We’ll have to do this again. etc. etc.

The nice thing about this setting is your pheros should have plenty of opportunity to work in close proximity. IO should assure that you don’t run into awkward pauses or run out of things to talk about. If you go with ammo or something along those lines it should add the addition sexual factor. Etc. etc. I’m sure others could make recommendations as far as the pheros themselves. shrugs

At any rate, it gives you a follow up the next time you catch up. It also opens the door for future lunches because now that she’s gone to lunch with you once and actually enjoyed it there’s something to look forward to as far as doing it again and no need to have an additional person along because she’s already comfortable with doing that with you from the first experience.

This is the slow conquer method. There are variations you can do of this even without a wingman, although a lot of it depends on how convincing you can be. But the key is not to fall into the friendzone. The banter can help. Concerned but a little bit of sexual/flirting/compliments/teasing subtle or otherwise to keep the tension edge. Lunch opens the door to “some friends are going out to the bar/clubs/etc. tonight, you wanna come?” If she got acquainted with your wingman the first time through and she hesitates, you can always be like “come, blah blahs gonna be there too! It’s be fun! Trust me.” or what have you. I’m not saying jump into that immediately. Give the tension a chance to build up. Maybe even vary the levels of attention you give her to keep her guessing.

Regardless, when it all comes down to it, aside from the pheros, be yourself. This doesn’t sound like you are simply going for a pick-up. You want a LTR, yes? So quite frankly, if she doesn’t like you for you than it’s not going to work out anyways. Granted, the pheros give you an additional edge but as long as you are your charming self (which she seems to have warmed to/likes in the first place) I imagine you should be fine.

Granted, this is just a suggestion. Without actually knowing the disposition of the girl and so forth, it’s hard to say with a certainty that approach would work (if you haven’t tried it already). But reading her for clues is always important in this sort of thing and can help you gauge your approach immensely. That’s learned over time, though, so it’s no worries if you aren’t quite sure at this point in time. Just some thoughts. Ok. I’m sorry. I will stop rambling. :stuck_out_tongue:

*Footnote: Do not leave! She could say she has to go anyways (it’s that not wanting to impose or feel like you just got left kinda a thing, so you pretend to be busy too). That could kill this plan if you can’t talk her into joining. It doesn’t mean there won’t be other opportunities. It just means this approach probably won’t work… at least this time…

In any case, don’t actually leave her like alright, bye. If you can’t convince her, ask him if you can do lunch another time. He’ll be like sure. She might feel bad and tell you to go with your friend. This might open another chance for you to convince her to join from the guilt angle. Or she might give you an excuse why she has to leave. If that’s the case, this might open up the chance to part ways with a verbal commitment for lunch another time then. Maybe even a “you bet” or “sounds good” or “I’ll hold you to that” or something from her (because after she’s given you an excuse she might actually still want to go to lunch but doesn’t want to make it obvious that what she made up was actually an excuse and she isn’t busy).

The final outcome and reason you don’t leave first in this situation is that you staying might make her feel a bit powerful/important. “He blew off his friend for me?” If your conversation continues, and goes well at that, you can move to the “leave her wanting more stage” by pointing out that you are getting hungry and invite her for a bite. If she takes you up on it then you proceed to the one-on-one lunch phase. If she doesn’t then you part with a hug or whatever the case may be and leave her wanting more. Either way, the key again is you being the one that cuts off the interaction first rather than waiting until she’s had enough and “has somewhere to go.” Not only does it have that effect, but when the other person cuts it off you can’t help but wonder if you didn’t do enough. Did they get bored of me? Did I say the wrong thing? Am I less important than a meal? Those kinda subconscious doubts are actually good because they create a bit of a challenge to prove them wrong and add to the chase effect. It’s wierd. Don’t ask me why. They just do. :stuck_out_tongue:

**Footnote: Depending on the girl… the actual food pick can be a perfect time to tease fun at her and show off your humorous side and/or compliment her. Don’t do it unless it is in your bag of tricks, though. But for example… I might… after you ask her where she would like to go, cut her off before she answers and say, “subway right?” with a coy smile on my face, knowing she’s an athlete. If she response like “how did you guess?”… I can move to turn it into a casual compliment on her physique/athletic prowess and how I’d expect that from an athlete of her calibur. This might actually lead into a conversation about her diet and regmin. This is good and will likely win me brownie points because athletes often like to talk about athletics and such stuff as you have to put a lot of work into your diet and exercise in order to perform at your best (which she likely does).

If she response back with a more like, “What? Why do you say that?” almost playfully or in a light manner (note: tone is important here) I might attack athletes with over-the-top exaggeration. “Don’t you guys all have like nazi diets… blah blah blah…” in a playful way, of course. If I did it right I’ll get a denial in a similar playful manner and I’ll then twist it into a compliment about her physique. It likely could lead into a similar conversation as the first outcome or might remain further light banter. If she becomes more serious in her response to my jab, I’d deflect and emphasize that I was just teasing and go into my compliment as to the reason why I figured that.

In almost any eventuality, I win because it allows me to give her a compliment and make her “feel sexy” or what have you without being overt about it. It will register subconsciously and she might even subtle pick it up and wonder, but it wouldn’t be obvious I’m gunning for her. Finding subtle ways to compliment the other person is an excellent way to charm them. I also find actually subtly picking on them to keep them off balance is also very successful. It’s a process of knocking them down and then flipping it into validation. It kinda masks the compliment and keeps them from thinking they are high up on this “mountain” so to speak. shrugs But that’s just me. I’m no relationship/pick-up advisor/expert. There are just patterns that you pick up on over time but everyone’s got their own style and their own “game” that fits that style the best, so to speak. You just gotta find what works best for you. :smiley:

Thanks man!

Last night, I actually was in a conversation with 2 of her friends (not close friends, but friends). Her name came up in conversation, and I said something along the lines of “she was looking FIIIIIIINNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEE today.” One of her friends said “wow, casual.” And laughed. The other one said, “Looks like someone’s got a crush,” where I replied, “now, I never said THAT.”

The point of that was, I know girls sometimes dress well and put A LOT into their appearance if they are going to see a guy they like. If that was her intention, and if I was that guy, this was my way of letting her know (the girl that said the crush thing will PROBABLY tell her or a friend of her’s that will relay the message).

If it comes back to me again, I was going to smile and say “I ain’t gonna front.” Make it seem like I MAY like her, but I’m not going to let people know.

HAHA this may seem all stupid and games, but who knows? I don’t have A LOT invested in this (as I said before), but I think I’m in good position (I think there is AT LEAST attraction). I always tell myself I’m going to pay attention to her body language next time I see her, and I ALWAYS forget to do this.

Because, the fact is, she’s a REALLY nice girl, and REALLY a friendly girl, and hell, she may be just acting friendly to me, or maybe EXTRA friendly b/c she sees me as a ‘cute guy.’ For all I know, she may have little to no interest in me.

We’ll see how things play out.

Playing little games like that sometimes helps to keep them interested because when they go home if they are attracted to you whether you actually like her or not is probably running through her head so she can’t stop thinking about you. Of course you will never know for sure but you just have to assume and give little hints, gotta watch that BL, lol.

Hahaha! Very nice. You are off to a decent start. The only thing I hate about the friend angle is that then you have to depend on their opinion of you. Granted, if it is great they can be your best friends and actually push her to be more interested than she may have been before or to even “give you a shot”. On the other hand, if it is negative, it can be one of those, “Do you know blah blah likes you? Can you believe that? Yuck! You don’t like him do you? Please tell me you don’t like him!”

Peer pressure can work either way and that’s why I often like to skip it and go for a more direct approach (even if I’m going subtly about it). But it’s easy to be more timid when you find a really great girl and don’t want to mess things up. Still, it sounds like you might be on to something. You know the girl. Keep in mind, though, that regardless she’s probably going to expect you to make the first move if it comes to that. Hopefully, though, she gives you that shot. :slight_smile:

Both the girls have good opinions of me hahaha.

All I ask is for her to be a LITTLE more obvious that she likes me (if she does) THEN I will act.