ICM 0.25.1a oil pseudojournal

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports
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This is my pseudojournal (thanks to jayarea for coining the term, to Nbully for the calculator I used and Steve for the ICM recipes) detailing my composite of Steve’s ICM 0.25.1a in an oil base instead of alcohol base. I decided to give this one a try since I really like the ICM 0.25.1b in an oil base that I’d made.

Last time I tried the DPG with natural plant musks. This time I tried DPG with natural plant musks and Ylang-Ylang oil added for 14ml DPG to 1ml of Ylang-Ylang. I want to see how they differ as far as diffusion, scent, etc. I decided to get the pheros at 6% in Grapefruit scent knowing that the scent will disappear as the mix composites.

I used the same procedure I did for the ICM …1b oil (I guessed) and went with a quintuple strength over the original alcohol formula and again I have an ~1/1 ratio of phero mix to oil mix. I like the viscosity at this ratio and the pheros seem to be of a plenty strong concentration where a little goes a long way. I did deviate from the original formula slightly by adding 5 mcg of TAF (in spray form it = 1 mcg) because I’d discovered in experimenting with the alcohol versions that the small amount added an element of aggression to women (they were more inclined to act on their feelings of attraction).

I have one batch (in a .33 oz roll on bottle) that I’ve added The Common Scents knockoff version of AMen Pure Coffee cologne oil to the composite so that it still equals an approximate 1/1 ratio of oil (DPG with Ylang-Ylang and AMen Pure Coffee) to phero mix. The cologne cover scent is at ~20% strength. I’m interested to see how this scent composites with the scent in it from the beginning. With the ICM …1b I’d waited 3 weeks before adding the cologne cover scents to the composite.

I’ve also got a .33 oz roll on bottle with just the DPG Ylang-Ylang mix and phero mix and no cover scent. Smells like diaper cream.

I’ll be adding to this pseudojournal as time goes on, probably every week or so unless something happens before then. This time I am going to (try to) be much more patient and wait at least a week or two before I actually try this oil on a test run. I realized that when I’d made the 1b I didn’t let it sit nearly long enough before trying it out. It still worked very well when the burnt rubber smell was covered. The smell did disappear after about 2 weeks or so, however.

Wish me luck! :slight_smile:

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Subscribed.:smiley:

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Same here. I’m very interested in oils, since my disability has weakened my hands to the point that I can’t press the sprayer. So, I need help applying sprays. But oils like A314 I can apply and reapply as needed, on my own.

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… waiting for the reports coming in … :slight_smile:

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Cannot wait to see how this one turns out as well! Good job Snoopyace!

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Snoop, Could you post the entire updated (TAF) formulation?

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Below are the amounts I’d put into the composite (mcg’s are based on per spray if it was an alcohol base)

TAA 20mcg
Beta-androstenol 25mcg
P74 25mcg
P93 15mcg
Androstenone 25mcg
TAC 25mcg
TAF 5mcg

There ya go! Now it’ll be interesting to see if this is a potent as the ICM 1b was. I have a feeling that the high amount of P83 in the 1b was why it was so strong. Time will tell. :slight_smile:

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what the heck is a pseudojournal? :confused:

lookin good, can’t wait to hear your progress on this.

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LOL. Sorry to waste a post but it was kind of funny! :smiley:

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Yeah, it sure was! :slight_smile:

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Just a quick update. My curiosity got the better of me and I took a sniff of the .33 oz roll on bottle with just the DPG Ylang-Ylang mix and phero mix and no cover scent. Still smells like diaper cream but it does smell milder. However the phero strength doesn’t appear to be mild. About 3-5 seconds after I took a small ‘sniff’, my eyes tried to cross and I got an immediate sinus headache from phero overload. Wow. Apparently this is pretty strong, also. :open_mouth:

I still plan on waiting until at least Friday before I try it out for real, however.

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Today I decided to take some of the raw ICM in the alcohol base that I have and combine it with the Common Scents version of Cool Water Game in a 1 to 1 ratio. So now I have a few different variations to see how things composite as well as how they differ in the diffusion. I recognize that because I have 2 different scents at play that it will affect how it diffuses but I hadn’t thought this far ahead from the beginning so I’ll have to take the different scents into account.

50% Cool Water Game (Common Scents knockoff)
50% Alcohol base ICM 0.25.1a

25% A*Men Pure Coffee (Common scents knockoff)
25% DPG oil with 6.6% Ylang Ylang oil and plant musks
50% Alcohol base ICM 0.25.1a

50% DPG oil with 6.6% Ylang Ylang oil and plant musks
50% Alcohol base ICM 0.25.1a

I am going to use the bottle with just DPG and Ylang Ylang in the ICM composite to see how it diffuses if I spray on a cover cologne. Once I get through all of this, my next batch is going to be done without mixing and matching to see what I like best.

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Alrighty, keep it up Snoop!:smiley:

I’m assuming you’ve still got to wait a while before the oil fully composites?

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I’m going to be impatient and try it out on Friday which will mean it has sat for one week. I’ve been taking sniffs of the one that had the A*Men Pure Coffee in with the DPG and ylang ylang and it smells weird. I think putting the cologne in at the start might not have been the best choice. It now smells like coffee/ylang ylang diaper cream. That is one of the things that I wanted to test, however. When was the best time to add the cologne to the mix. I don’t think I’ll be using the ylang ylang DPG next time.

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Snoop I think I’m going to buy you a pointy hat, long white beard and cloak with stars on it for Christmas…I can just picture you surrounded by bubbling beakers full of Phero concoctions, waving a wooden staff and chanting strange incantations :smiley:

On a more serious note, the potential diffusion differences are fascinating. The middle one I’ll be particularly interested in. Most things are either oil or alcohol based - that one looks like it could sit in between…

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That is hilarious! Thanks! :smiley:

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First real test…

I have allowed my composite to sit for a week before deciding to take it for an early morning test run (my mom called and asked if I could take her grocery shopping and to Wal-Mart.)

Product name,scent and strength
My own oil based ICM 1.25.1a Based on Steve’s ICM mix
50% DPG oil with 6.6% Ylang Ylang oil and plant musks
50% Alcohol base ICM 0.25.1a

Application dosage and locations
~2 inches split between the tops of the hands(From a roll on bottle)
~1 inch to each side of the neck
Original Vetiver cologne (added after Woodman’s)

Enviroment tested in.
Automobile
Woodman’s (HUGE grocery store)
Wal-Mart (with Original Vetiver as a cover)

Self effects.
A-none headache for about 5 minutes but then it dissipated to more of a sinus pressure for about 30 minutes. I also noticed that I felt pretty calm. Happy but calm and (this will sound odd) like I felt very graceful in my movements. I just floated around very smoothly in my movements. I noticed myself standing taller and feeling as though my movements were slower and more grounded.

Effects to others
My mom started out her usual rather negative self. Within about 5 minutes in the car she started getting much more upbeat in what she talked about and seemed more calm than usual (as opposed to being worried about every little thing).

At Woodman’s I noticed that this doesn’t diffuse very well with just the ylang ylang oil. Once people got within about 4’ of me however, that is when it was more interesting. This was hands down the funniest hit I’ve ever experienced while using pheros. I had a woman (probably mid 40’s)who was rushing past me with her cart cut right next to me and about 3’ (or 2 seconds) later she DIHL’d and snapped her head around to look back at me. The cart veered just enough to the right that it clipped a table with a bunch of plastic tubs filled with mini donuts. Yup, about a dozen donut tubs hit the floor. She turned about 10 shades of red and as I was helping her pick them up she kept trying to bump into me. I got boobed twice. :stuck_out_tongue:

At the time we went, it was early enough that the place isn’t exactly crowded and it is mostly mom’s with kids or senior citizens. Not an ideal testing ground but it worked well enough to see that this needed some more punch in how it diffuses. I was getting a lot of looks from people and a lot of very friendly interactions where normally people would ignore me. This wouldn’t happen until people were within my phero cloud (about 4’ or so). It was fairly quick acting, however.

As soon as we got to the car after Woodman’s I grabbed my bottle of Original Vetiver that I keep there. Right away I hear, ‘Oh, so who are you trying to impress?’ Thanks, mom. spritz spritz ‘Hmmm, smells like soap but I like it.’ Uh, thanks mom.

Wal-Mart is always crowded where I live. I should mention that I ‘ve worn OV by itself before so I know what to expect in the way of reactions. I walked through the door and stopped to grab a cart for my mom. The greeter was an older gentleman who seemed tired until I got within about 6’ and said hello. He perked right up and was very deferential like someone important walked into the place. After I left he seemed polite but not nearly as friendly with others who came through the door. He talked with me like I was an old friend.

LOTS of eye contact from up to about 8’ away. Mostly from women but there were mostly women there. I had a few instances of woman popping up in 3 or 4 different areas right by me just looking at something while glancing out of the corner of their eyes at me. I felt very social in my calmness so I’d say ‘hi’ and they would start talking about anything and everything. My mom was getting irritated. She couldn’t figure out why everyone seemed to be following me around. (I’ve been on TV/radio/newspapers in my area so she figured it was that- I know better :slight_smile:).

Cashier (hispanic probably late 50’s) was beyond cheerful and asked what cologne I was wearing. ‘It just smells like summer!’:slight_smile: Also tried to fix me up with her granddaughter who just turned 18 :open_mouth: (apparently I looked a lot younger to her because she didn’t believe me when I told her my age).

Duration of effects.
~3 hours before going home to write this report and wash it off to try the next one.

Effects from mixing with other products.
The Original Vetiver REALLY seemed to aid the diffusion (I think it doubled it)

Range
By itelf- ~4’
With cologne cover- ~8-10’

Time exposure.
DIHL 's pretty much immediately but if people were in my presence for 2-5 minutes they were pretty much hooked.

I saw some very good effects at Woodman’s but I was grinning ear to ear the whole time I was at Wal-Mart while giving myself mental high fives. These are all EXACTLY the kind of hits I see when wearing the spray version of ICM 0.25.1a. Whoot!

Adding the cologne cover seems to have doubled the diffusion characteristics of the ICM oil by itself. I am really interested in seeing how the Common Scents cologne oils aid or inhibit diffusion. I’m leaning towards aid because if anyone else here has tried the Common Scents products, they’ll understand what I mean. Those cologne oils diffuse amazingly and the scents last forever (even when you try to wash them off). If nothing else, this version works very well so far when covered with something else. OV isn’t the greatest diffusing cologne so I really wonder what’d happen if I cover this ICM variation with Tom Ford Tobacco Vanille or Musc Ravaguer.

Edit- One thing I noticed that I found interesting about the ylang ylang oil is how after a few moments of smelling the oil (sorry but it reminds me of diaper cream) is that it brings a ‘coolness’ to the nose almost like menthol does. Not as strong and it only lasts about 20 minutes but I thought it was worth mentioning.

In short, even though it has only been a week, I think this was a pretty successful test. :slight_smile:

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Brace yourselves, I’ve written a novel…

Product name,scent and strength
50% Alcohol base ICM 0.25.1a, DPG oil with 6.6% Ylang Ylang oil and plant musks
50% Common Scents version of Tom Ford Tobacco Vanille

Application dosage and locations
~2 inches split between the tops of the hands(From a roll on bottle)
~1 inch to each side of the neck

Environment tested in.
Automobile
Hospital

Self effects.
A -none (https://pheromonelabs.com/) headache for about 5 minutes but then it dissipated to more of a sinus pressure for about 30 minutes. I also noticed that I felt pretty calm. Happy but calm and (this will sound odd) like I felt very graceful in my movements. I just floated around very smoothly in my movements. I noticed myself standing taller and feeling as though my movements were slower and more grounded. I’ve experienced this both times I’ve given this a go and I feel like one of the Ents from Lord of the Rings in how I move. Slowly, gracefully, purposefully. I LOVE the self effects I get from this. Just calm, happy and laid back. I am Joe Cool. :cool:

Effects to others
I was taking my mom to visit a relative in the hospital so she started out concerned but was downright chipper after about 2-3 minutes of exposure. By the time we got to the hospital she had decided that everything was alright. Very out of character.

Hits O’Plenty! :smiley: Seriously. More hits than I can fit into a report. 90% of the people I interacted with today happened to be female (nurses, P.T’s, O.T’s, etc) but everytime one got within 4’-6’ of me, they reacted (positively).

I did have one PCT (Personal Care Technician- a nurses aid) who I honestly thought was reacting badly until I was getting ready to take my mom home and she made a point of jogging down the hall to say goodbye and that she really liked talking with me (not ‘us’, me). I’d tried earlier getting her to talk but she wasn’t very talkative. Apparently the ICM had more of an impact than I thought.

When I say that people reacted positively I should mention that I’ve been around hospitals a lot over the last 10 years with the person I was there for today. I’ve seen all sorts of people and how they interact with patients and their families. What I saw today was outside the norm. I had a single RN (she told me she was) start out talking to my dad and end up talking to me and take a break sitting in the room with us talking mostly to me. Really attractive… If I didn’t have a GF who’d probably go Glenn Close on me… :open_mouth:

A P.T. who told me/us at least 4 times that her name was ‘Rhonda’ and that if I needed anything (again referring to and looking at me not the actual patient) to call her and then she wrote her extension AND her name down on the dry erase board in the room. As you can tell, she seemed to be really hit hard by this composite.

Everyone who came through the door would gravitate to me. I was sitting on a windowsill on the far side of the room from the entrance yet if they got within my phero cloud, it was over for them. Just for giggles, if someone was more in the middle of the room I’d walk past pretending to stretch my legs and that was also all it took. They’d DIHL and look at me. Next thing I know they were a captive audience. This is just a condensed version of the events of the 6 or so hours that I’d had this on. There was even more hits that happened but I don’t have the time or space to write it all.

I do have a question for those in the medical field. A woman had come in with a surgical type mask on. How well do those REALLY work at filtering germs and such? At first this woman seemed totally unaffected even though she was within a few feet of me. After about 5 minutes or so she suddenly looked at me and then the next thing I know she’s talking to me like I’m the only person in the room. (As you can tell, this happened a lot today.) I didn’t get anything really in the sense of touchy feeliness but lots of other indications of being interested. LOTS of eye contact, lots of body language, etc.

Duration of effects.
~6 hours (and still going strong!)

Effects from mixing with other products.
N/A

Range
At least 4’-6’

Time exposure.
Pretty much immediate effect

Okay. Right from the start I am going to cop to this fact. If I hadn’t experienced this and had witnesses to how today went, I would seriously doubt the veracity of my report. This was one of those rare, wonderful conjunctions that occurs sometimes where it seems like all the pieces just fall into place.

This morning I’d taken a mix I’d made 10 days ago of 50% ICM composite at 5x original strength combined with 50% DPG with 6.6% ylang ylang oil and mixed it with Common Scents Tom Ford Tobacco Vanille cologne oil. This diluted down my phero mixture to about a quarter of its original strength so I figured it would take a LOT more to do the same job. This is where I misjudged. It is possible that the diffusion on the Tobacco Vanille is that good (it is really good by the way) or I’ve been putting on WAY more oil/phero mix than I actually needed. It is also possible that the plant musks and ylang ylang are improving the diffusion characteristics well enough that I don’t need as strong a phero ‘punch’.

I do have another batch I made today that is identical to the Tobacco Vanille I wore today except that it is made with Common Scents Sandalwood Classic scent. I’ll have to try that one and see if I get the same effects. If this is repeatable I am a very happy Snoopy dog. It does smell very nice out of the bottle so I do have pretty high hopes for this one as well. I’ve done a lot of testing to see what I feel works well and what maybe doesn’t work so well. I think I may be hitting on some combinations that work. It isn’t so much HOW STRONG your phero mix is but HOW IT DIFFUSES that seems to be at least as important. This was also a long lasting composite today. It was going strong at 6 hours after initial application. I was getting the same quality hits as I was 20 minutes after my initial application.

If I can get away with diluting this down to a 25% concentration while still getting great hits I am going to be able to make a batch and have it go a very long way. This is important to me because the oil based composites cost me a TON to make so if a little goes a long ways I’ll be all set. I like the alcohol based products, but I LOVE the oil. I’m a hot and sweaty guy even in winter so if I can have something that is going to last me all day (or until I wash it off), that is a very good thing. :slight_smile:

Edit- Two quick additions. One refers to the fact that this wasn’t just me noticing things today. Both other people there noticed. My mom even laughed and called me the Pied Piper for hospital girls. She commented on how even people who seemed distracted or irritated would perk right up after they were around me. She thought it was pretty funny.

The other is how the self effects seem to also impact the effects on others. I get VERY social feeling when I’m wearing this. I don’t care if I go up and talk to someone. I’m normally much more shy. Because I feel more comfortable around people I’m more likely to talk to them. This opens them up and does seem to help them to feel more comfortable. I saw a lot of situations today where I’d say ‘hi’ after they’d hit my phero cloud and it was as if the socials hit them and they wanted to talk and then after the ~none really hit, they’d edge closer to me and stand much closer than normal. In other words, be congruent with what your phero signature is. Today I think I was giving off a nice slightly alpha vibe that also conveyed approachability. It worked VERY well with the pheros I was wearing.

One more quick edit- I’d mentioned in a prior report that I didn’t like the ylang ylang smell. I noticed today before combining it with the cologne oil that it was much more faint of a scent than it had been. When I combined it with the Tobacco Vanille, it disappeared completely but I do still get a bit of that ‘coolness’ to the nose that seems to almost awaken the receptors in the nasal passages.

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The oil based pheromone research scientist has got some real talent here!!! Give this man some respect, he’s forging the path for us all.

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Thanks :o.

I have given out most of my ICM …1b oil to others on the forum because I wanted to show that the ‘hits’ I was seeing were legitimate and that seems to have been born out by their experiences which makes me very happy, indeed.

I think that this has been a very successful experiment for me. I’m going to try the 1a with Sandalwood scent tomorrow and if I’m seeing diffusion like I did today then I think I’ll consider this a success. One of the big things I’ve discovered is that if I’m going do add a different scent to the mix that I’m better off waiting at least a week before putting it in. The batch I made with cologne in the mix right from the start smells odd. The ylang ylang scent has stuck around and mixed with the A*Men Pure Coffee scent so I have coffee scented diaper cream. Live and learn. :slight_smile: