I’ve already posted how I make my version of oil based products here. The main reason I am putting up this thread is because even though I am happy with the overall process of making oil based composites, this is the first time I am trying one with 20% cologne strength scent in the pheromones from AD.
The first time I tried an oil I made the mistake of getting 6% Akuto strength. As the finished product composited (blended) the smell of the plant musk/DPG faded but unfortunately, so did the Akuto scent. I’m hoping that by making it in a stronger Akuto scent, I won’t need to add a cover cologne as I have had to do in the past. I love the Akuto so I hope this works out the way I’d like it to.
My recipe
TAA 28 mcg
Beta-Androstenol 35 mcg
P74 35 mcg
P93 21 mcg
P83 35 mcg
I combined it at a 1:1 ratio with DPG with Plant Musks from AD. I find that gives a nice visosity for me. It also gives me 60 ml of oil to play with because the way I’ve worked everything I end up with 30 ml of pheros in alcohol to combine with the DPG (two 15ml bottles.)
I made this on Friday so I will wait until at least next Friday to give it a go. I fully expect that it will need to composite some more but it will be long enough to give it a good test. I am hoping that the Akuto scent doesn’t composite out too much. Fingers crossed
So if the Akuto scent does composite out too much then does that mean the (skanky) smell of the phero’s become noticeable? Do you think the 20% cologne will improve the distance of potential hits? If so, would it be too strong?
Just curious, but if the above phermones and mcg were combined into a spray, what do you think the effects would be compared to the original mcg for ICM .1b? I know more is not necessarily better as a rule of thumb - but I’m just curious. TAA, B-nol, and P74 I’m pretty sure an OD won’t happen (in ghosting sense of a None OD). I’m not as familiar with P83 and P93 so wouldn’t be able to comment on OD levels for those 2 mones.
If the Akuto scent composites out too much then you have a very faintly scented oil that does smell of pheros pretty much as soon as the Akuto scent dries down. Generally, I will let the mix composite for at least a week and then add whatever scent I want at ~20% by volume. It does dilute the phero mixture a bit but the diffusion of the scent is better so it seems to offset the weaker phero blend. By waiting a week before adding the scent, everything in the bottle gets the chance to get to know each other and it does not weaken the scent.
In this case I wanted it to smell like Akuto so I thought I’d try an experiment. Instead of getting the pheros in 6% scent strength (since I can’t get them unscented without paying a ton- I really wish unscented was a free option) and letting the scent composite out for a week, then adding a scent, I am going to try adding the Akuto up front and hope it doesn’t disappear. I actually think it will probably disappear and I’ll have to add another cover scent anyhow. As long as I get my oil I am not as worried about the scent. I am more interested in the effects. This stuff works GREAT! (Thanks, Steve!)
From my experience with these particular pheros, the main one to be concerned about OD’ing on is P83 but that is up to everyone to test for themselves and find what amounts work for them. The very first ICM batch I’d made was a 1b that had 62.5 mcg of P83 in it and it was a very temperamental oil. When you got the dose right, it was magical but if you added just a tiny bit too much, you were going to be avoided in a very big way.
Variety is the spice of life and we shouldn’t be limited to using akuto,neroli and the F20-22! But anyway what are you gonna do. At 55 dollars a pop thats a real burn in the pocket.
Too true. I know they used to offer them in unscented and for reporting users who are already getting a custom product and know what they are getting in to, what is the big deal?
Okay, I got impatient today. I’d put some of the phero/oil composite I’d made into an old A314 bottle that I’d cleaned out (WHY oh WHY doesn’t Androtics sell the A314 style bottles along with the dropper top style bottles!) I let it sit and impatiently have waited since Friday. I know it isn’t the 7-10 days I like to wait, but what can I say, I’m impatient. I tipped the bottle and boom boom boom three drops came out onto the top of my hand before I could tip the bottle back over.
OMG!!!
I DIHL’d myself! I quickly rubbed the oil onto my other hand. I got a massive sinus pressure and the pheros hit me like the Silver Streak. I got a little of the DPG scent but I also got a lot more of the Akuto scent than I thought I would. Even after the oil dried on my skin I can still smell more Akuto than DPG oil. It seems like this could turn out to be a bigger success (scent wise) than I thought. By the way, this is phero STRONG. As in SNOOPY SMASH!
It has been about 30 minutes and the sinus pressure has relieved a lot and I can still smell more than a bit of the Akuto so I have a feeling that this is going to work out alright. Now, how am I going to wait the full week to take this for a test run!
So much for Akuto scented ICM 1b. I checked it yesterday and found that the DPG and Akuto scents had both disappeared pretty much completely. So I added a very nice smelling cologne oil (~1.75 ml to 8 ml of ICM oil) to give this some scent diffusion.
Today I took it for a test run. I have it in an old A314 bottle that I’d cleaned out and when I tipped the bottle, 2 drops came out in quick succession despite my best efforts to only get one. This is less viscous than A314 so I have to be more careful with the amounts.
I also found that I do have to use more than I did of my first ICM 1b where I’d used 62.5 mcg of P83 as opposed to 35 mcg in this one. I ended up with about 8 drops spread over the tops of my hands and on either side of my neck. Still getting hits, however.
I think I am going to like this. I might up the next batch to 10x original spray strength on all the ingredients just to see how it works.
Product name,scent and strength
ICM 1b oil ~7x alcohol based strength
Common Scents Very Irresistable Type (oil based cologne)
Application dosage and locations
4 drops split between the tops of the hands (out of an A314 bottle I cleaned out) and spread around (I think I actually like the roll top bottles better so I will be switching this to a roll top bottle)
2 drops to each side of the neck and spread around
~2 inches of Very Irresistable Type to the top of each hand and each side of the neck
Enviroment tested in.
Auto
Friends house
Self effects.
I felt the urge to smile. Just a very happy, fun and positive feeling.
Effects to others
I was the center of attention for everyone interacted with. This is a very social, fun mix that has attraction as well. My GF (I guess it is safe to call her that) seems to really dig this composite. She gets VERY chatty and giggly. I caught her touching me a lot more than usual. Hanging on me is a more appropriate term.
VIP feeling. I LOVE this stuff because the P83 really seems to disinhibit people. It is funny how many times I heard someone swear yesterday that really wouldn’t normally. Also a lot of attention from the women present. More than my GF really seemed to appreciate.
Duration of effects.
At least 5 hours
Effects from mixing with other products.
n/a
Range
No more than about 6’
Time exposure.
Seemed to take anywhere from about 10-30 seconds to really take effect.
good stuff, thanks for keeping us updated. i’m having a second honeymoon with akuto; i think because of the warmer weather, i feel a little “spicier” and have a need for akuto to get my fix.
Sounds like the mix is doing what it should it be doing!
Do you think it would hit people differently if it was covered with a spray cologne like cool water or aqua di geo - instead of the very irresistible oil?
It is possible that it would. Largely because we all have different likes and dislikes as far as scents go. Also the fact that different colognes diffuse differently so it really could make a difference.
Product name,scent and strength
ICM 1b oil ~7x alcohol based strength
Application dosage and locations
3 inches rolled on
Enviroment tested in.
NYC subway
Bars
Self effects.
Did the mirror test - did I see myself differently? Felt confident and better looking. Yup definitely some pheromones in here. The self effect really built up over 20 minutes. Pretty strong self effects.
It was a LONG day after 12 hours of work (financial companies work you hard)..So I wasn’t exactly in the best state but I wanted test this stuff out..
Effects to others
Hit = abnormal behavior
Hit 1 - Random guy on the subway turned around, held a 5 hour energy to my face and asked me if they work. I said “Yes” - give it a try. For those of you not familiar with NYC subways, people are in their own little worlds and very very rarely talk to someone they don’t know. This was a definite hit.
Hit 2 - Met up with a guy friend of mine at his friends birthday. There were like 30 guys and 3 girls so really not a good place to test + I was just not in the right state. One of the very few girls there walked by and “boobed” me with not one but two boobs. Yes it was crowded but I’ll take it..
Hit 3 - Got a lot of guy respect from people I had just met. My friend is really a new friend - only hung out with the guy a handful of times. At the end of the night, he gave me a man hug and apologized for the lack of females and said next time…Then he sent me a text and said the same thing. Respect.
So unfortunately, it wasn’t the best night to test but I’ll be trying it again soon.
Duration of effects.
The whole time I was out - ~4+ hours
Range
No more than about 6’
Time exposure.
Hard to tell but it probably 30 seconds to a few minutes.
Thanks for the report on this. Even though it wasn’t a great testing ground and you were tired, it does sound like you noticed the same type of things that others have with this. Good to know! I notice a LOT of boobing when I wear this particular composite. Gotta love P83.
Can’t wait to read about any other experiences you have with this.
cross checking my results with yours… you mentioned a vip effect a few posts up and giants52000 talked about guy respect. this is aligned with my results. i thought i was going crazy for a while because i remember the ICM series to be way sexual and not tuned for much else.
