Instant Your Wingmans a Jerk

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Tried out Instant Jerk for the first time, and went out with a friend of mine. He’s a muscle bound club goer, from NYC and he’s been out picking up girls for a long long time. I went to a night with cheap drinks on the premise of getting laid.

Started with two sprays of Instant Jerk to side of the neck.

Once we got to the club, my wing started talking to me very close, inhaling a lot from my neck and speaking very very close to my neck. He started detailing his sex life and bragging. Normal behavior for him. We had a few drinks, and I opened a few girls. It was still early, and my wing ran into some girls he knew. One of the girls was overweight, and her friend was cute. Short, dark hair and glasses.

When I introduced myself, she pressed my hand against her boob intentionally.

I thought things were going swell, and my wing was convinced we were going to pull them within 15 minutes. My wing was being very sexual, talking dirty and talking about all the girls that wanted him. I asked the girl to dance, because she was shaking her hips. I thought it would give some time to my wing to work his game while I could get to know the cute quiet girl, who looked pretty without her thick rimmed glasses. She conferred with her friend, looked at me and said “No thanks.”

At that point, I knew we were wasting our time, and went outside. My friend kept talking, then came outside with me. As I watched the girls leave he was swearing about a cockblock from the glasses girl. No problem. We continue to drink. While my friend was inside, I walked to the bar next door. It has a balcony, and I saw two blondes taking a picture. I jumped up on the balcony and proclaimed… “HI!!!” they were very happy to see me, snapped some photos and I said I would meet them again soon. Grabbed my friend, brought him in.

Now he started with the sexual stuff again, and we introduced ourselves. They were from the east coast, and there were three of them. One was overweight, two cute blondes. We joked and had fun while my wing was being over the top with sexual bravado. Pulled them next door. Now we brought them to the dancefloor, and my wing mentioned the overweight girl will be a third wheel. No problem, I said. Make sure she has fun, she wants all of us to have a good night. I started on the dancefloor with the blondes, and they had a little side discussion to choose who gets me. No problem.

I spray another spray of IJ with some IO : P83

While I’m dancing with the blondes, my friend is chatting up the overweight girl. Apparently she buys him three drinks, and then mentions she has a boyfriend. My wing flips and starts ranting about how girls waste his time when he just wants to fuck!!!

Needless to say, the girls suddenly want to leave. Although that doesn’t stop the blonde girl that chose me from dancing sexually with me, making like she wanted to kiss (I held off). They say they are going for a smoke, and are quite obviously leaving. I run out to meet them to smooth things over, but it’s obvious they are going. My wing comes out and says to me “WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING WASTING YOUR TIME WITH THESE BROADS!??!”

Uh.
I’m trying to have a good time tonight.
After this point it’s all downhill. Any girls I open my wing steps in and starts ranting about how women waste his time, they are all babies and not worth his ass. I try to reason with him, but he’s not hearing it. I even had a bunch of girls siding with me in a conversation about it, but he keeps talking about how women are bitches. He’s pissed off!!!

When we leave the club he’s talking about how he hopes someone starts something because he wants to pummel someone. In the car and on the way home, non stop chasing skirts while swearing how terrible women are.

Voila,
Instant your wingmans a jerk.

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Ah, you should’ve sprayed him with some IO so he can chill. But yes, it can happen! Androstenone rage, it must’ve affected him more than you, but you did say that he was in close proximity with your neck so the fumes got to him.

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Yeah, 2 sprays of IJ is quite a lot to begin with. It is a very powerful product :slight_smile:

If you think about it, you were wearing the equivalent -none of 10 tuth sprays.

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time to find a new wingman

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I got a friend who’s a douche too, I wouldn’t say it was Instant jerk’s doing…

I do my best to ignore my friend when he’s being an idiot, you’know, go to the toilet or grab another drink… Chat the girls up while he’s going to the toilet or something, I find my friend easily gets jelous when a girl is chatting with me. He’s just an attention seeker, good or bad. If that means butting in and pulling the girl’s top down, then he’ll do it.

My advise would be go down town with a couple more people, I’m actually perfering town when me and my ass of a mate go down with this other lad, cause’ me and the other lad can flirt with girls and the douche is usally off somewhere doing something stupid, like pulling girls tops down or tripping them up.

Something me and my friend believe, If you go up to a girl and ask her for sex, there will be at least one that’ll say yes… Your friend is just playing upon this fact, even if he doesnt admit it (most people take it to their heads as if they’re really attractive dispite the hit:miss ratio). Unless you’re going to do the same thing you prob dont want to hang around with him that much.

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Ironically, the fact she bought him three drinks meant she was attracted to him. The message behind saying she has a bf was probably “I am up for sex but we have to be discreet because I don’t want to lose my bf”.

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Well I must say that while your wingman could have acted better, by your siding with women and having them choose sides against the very person you were out with you DLV’d yourself and him anyway. Two sides to this story. Regardless of how bad things are going you never put the people you are out with down over any person just to try and get you some.

Not trying to burst your bubble, but didn’t you do the exact same thing as your wingman when the Short, dark hair, glasses and cute girl told you “no thanks” to your request to dance?

IMHO, it sounds like here was two ALPHA guys both trying to one-up each other. As a wingman when going into a situation that has been opened by someone else your objective is to keep the other parties occupied. By trying to pull one person away from a three person set, what would have hapened to the other girl not being engaged? She would have very quickly become bored and ruined the set. To prevent this from happening the short haired girl saw your friend hitting on one girl, you hitting on her but the third would have been left high and dry. Good friends don’t let that happen to their friends and so she turned your dance down.

Again though, I’m a little surprised that the both of you after any sign of resistance (it takes three no’s to get any one yes) ejected and just left the wingman to fend for himself. It’s no wonder the night didn’t work out as planned. I’m no expert, but I’m pretty sure you both could have handled the situation better by pre-planning what a wingman is supposed to do in the first place.

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wow steve is dropping knowledge. Quick question.. what ‘program’ do you use for your lifestyle method?

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Hey Steve,

Thank you for your analysis. It could be true that I was not the best wingman either. However personality wise I’m not a true Alpha. I do not try to outclass guys one on one, and most times when I am on my own if a guy is in the group doing the same thing I’m doing, I simply leave. I wrote this last night when I came home a bit frustrated.

When I had a discussion with girls, it was really just me. He was in his own world, talking about his life, his apartment in another city, his global playboy lifestyle. At that point in the evening, he had begun the anger steam roller, and there was nothing that was going to stop him. And that’s when I got frustrated. While I may have been being a dickhead too, it was because our wing styles really did not match. A charismatic charmer vs. A direct alpha club regular.

I agree that you never put the person down you are out with. I also extend the rule to include other people I interact with. Why end things on a negative? Just because “you may never see them again” His theory was “fuck em, there gone and they aint putting out” my outlook is “Leave them better than you found them”.

I am certainly one to not be affected by any “No” and can easily continue as if nothing happened. My wing admitted later that night, that it made such an impact on him when they started “busting his balls” and he didn’t like that. That sent him into the fit of rage.

The cute girl in glasses, when I left it was because I was bored. When I left I was feeling like “I should be out alone.” Yup, my mistake perhaps, but my intuition was right. One friend was leaving the next day, and they both seperately stated they wanted to be alone together. I tend to follow my gut in interactions rather than rules.

We did some preplanning, but it really wasn’t enough obviously!!!
I’ll make sure to share with him what he said, I think it’s a great observation. We had originally planned to go out again tonight. :o

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Completely!!!
I was stoked for this set because they were all so easy going. She stated to me earlier that “We are gonna party till the sun comes up”. I realized I told him to “make sure she had fun” but not to “make sure they all have fun”

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Is your friend/wingman a jerk all the time? Because if he’s a jerk in general maybe some of it was just his personality shinning through but it being fed more by the IJ like the way a forest feeds a fire.

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New to me!!!
That’s a huge dose of androstenone. I knew it was significant, but when you put in perspective like that. Whoa. Thanks!

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It also may have affected him stronger because he was not aware of it. Therefore, he would not check his anger, and rode with the feelings. I’m of course used to androstenone, and get only feelings of frustration.

I can tame the jerk mikoto…and I will tame it!!!

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That is a hefty dose of the -none

and I thought the 10mcg I had on in the mixture of things last night was heavy haha

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When things get heated or tough like your situation you mentioned, always make sure to carry a to-go of Spaceland, IO, or CTTM so you can water down the heat a bit. It’ll save you from any trouble, so I’m glad they make Spaceland in to-go size as its high dose of Alphanol really does the trick to buffer high -none mixes.

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Ha, ha you go man! You can do it!

Yeah, thing with IJ or not even IJ but ANYTHING with high amounts of -none is that if you can’t control yourself from being turned into a “bad guy” by the -none it’ll make it tough for you, and as you mentioned since your friend wasn’t aware of IJ or the high amount of -none and kept on getting close to your neck unaware of it all the -none turned him into a green monster! I bet if he were to have known the side effects of high levels of -none he would’ve been able to control himself a bit, although probably still would’ve been feeling the small stuff like the agitation or anxiety -none causes.

How many sprays of IO did you use evolver?

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The thing is evolver knows all this already :slight_smile:. He’s good at what he does!

I started out by reading DYD by David D.
From there I read the Mystery Method (and I would say it’s what I primarily use today)
I have also read Juggler, RSD, Style, Ross Jeffries, Mehow, PU101, askromeo, magic bullets, hypnotica and quite a few others. I try to incorporate a little from each if it works.

I would say the best for overall PUA strategy is Mystery. I must emphasize that Mystery is NOT about canned material. Anyone who says that has no clue what it is about and is only repeating what they have heard, but never have actually read it. TMM is a great outline on exactly how an interaction should go. If you use canned material you are destined to fail. Be yourself!

RSD is the very best for state control. Really gives you a basis of the internal workings of your state. Happy, fun guys not looking for an outcome except to add value to any interaction garner the most success.

I use Juggler for my charisma controll and kino escalation from PU101. Lance Mason is brilliant when it comes to correctly touching women.

I get my frame from Romeo and my NLP from Ross Jeffries and Dr Bandler.

BTW Bandler just released a free version of a new IPhone app: Hastens MindSpa. Deep Relaxation.

What I’ve always found is that no one method is really complete. We have to adjust and improvise, adapt what works from all sources and as a PUA create our own working system.

We are all unique little snowflakes falling from way up in the atmosphere. Created by God to fall from the heavens in all our splendor and blanket the planet in pure white driven snow. That is right up until a dog comes along and turns you yellow, then the snow plow throws a pile of mushy icy slush heaped on top of you and then finally you melt into just another drop of water. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Or end up in the intestines of a drunk guy who was dared to eat the yellow snow… :open_mouth:

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Thanks for all the great information, Steve!

This is something that I recently figured out, myself. It really is very true. :slight_smile:

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Thanks for the tip about the iphone app precious snowflake!!!

For the record, my wing had never studied seduction beyond the nightclubs.