Oh, mahalo! Most women are to be met during the day! Most women don’t hang out in bars.
Here’s a video on day game originally posted by casterock:
What do you mean we? I’ve liked the French, and their food since I lived there!!
Day game is not strange at all in my opinion, it just takes a different approach. Some of my friends are a lot more into day game than night, because the way interactions go are a lot different and tend to produce a lot more comfort fast than if you were hitting on a girl in the middle of a noisy club.
Day game is just a lot less sexual and a lot more social, I think. There is this australian guy called Alex who used to sell DVD’s on day game, but lately his site became a membership thing. I liked his approaches a lot since they were very friendly and his DHV stories were entertaining. If you can get a hold of his old videos (intros of them might still be on youtube), you can get an idea of how day game can be.
Yeah Dap, Alex Coulson’s a local guy from Sydney…and most girls he approaches on the street look at him like he’s a freak. Yes, he then wins them over with his charm and his “tall, dark , handsome” thing. He is an atypical PUA. Notice how most of the so-called day game gurus in there Youtube clips r hitting on tourists in there city.Why? local girls r busy in there daily routines and the last thing they r thinking of is talking to guys on the street.
Man the shit some of the girls put Alex through in the day game videos. He had to put some real effort in to winning them over. Thats an hour out of his daily schedule and the girls r wondering why hes not at work. 
So is day game worth all the drama? At night in a club, they r all there in the 1 place, easy to manouver and chat to women, and its more socially acceptable for women. On the other hand, women r more defensive at night…Its a Catch 22 really, during the day, u have to try harder to find women to talk to, and i feel like im wasting my day…its ofetn times an unproductive way to spend an hour. But, then again, you arent competing with other, better looking guys like u do in a bar or club. In a bar, it seems u really have to stand out in some way, or be twenty years old 
…i find the whole process of meeting people cold in general frustrating…its an uphill battle really…if a girl meets u the right way, “hey Darlene, id like u to meet my friend Mahalo” then the trust issue is irrelevant. Your friend vouchers for you, so the girl sees u as safe. Mahalo at the bus stop heading to the beach? another story all together. But what choice do u have if u dont get the intro’s, dont go to many house parties, etc…? u r left with, what 1 Bondi girl told me, " a socially retarded process"…Me and my friend were sitting in a cafe …he tried to chat to 2 girls sitting next to him. The girls were having none of it. Eventually, she tired of his interjecting and goes “mate, r u completely socially retarded or inept? u r sooo annoying…do u have to interject on every little thing we say? youre not going to meet me in a cafe, dont u have any social awareness?”
how can pick up not be goal oriented if your trying to test pheromones?
If i’ve got mx292 on, or any other pheromone, i am wanting to approach girls. Otherwise, how can i test the juice out? and i feel like im wasting the mix… So yes, since applying pheromones on an almost daily basis - day game has become goal oriented.
talking vs hitting on women:
Yes i mean “talikn” to women during the day. But whats the difference to a girl? a man talking to them “cold”, out of nowhere, the girl assumes hes hitting on them, whether its a gentle conversational approach or otheriwse.
the guys who seem to be surrounded by beautfiul women already:
do not seem to be meeting them cold,…somehow, miraculously, they r introduced to them by friends, or they grew up together, or they were in the same uni. tutorial etc. My point being, i rarely see any guys talking to people they dont know during the day. people r too busy working, and getting on with there every day routines. Thus the feedback my friends get is “its insanity, talking to girls u dont know during the day, u want to meet girls u dont know? go to a bar”…Trust me, this is the Aussie culture. At night, and 10 beers later, your typical Aussie guy WILL approach a girl. Still, only if in the right “setting”, a bar or club or party.
So i’m reminded of the scene in the movie 21 Grams, where Sean Penn meets naomi Watts at the local public pool. and she goes: “its just not fair, u cant just go up and talk to girls at will” - or something along those lines. She is just merely trying to go about her daily routine, and she dosent thin its fair that a man approaches her while she’s swimming.
if you believe it is retarded or weird to approach women on the street then it is FOR YOU.
I wanna challenge your beliefs by sharing my favourite day game video - watch this and tell me whether this approach looks like a freak show or seems to be the most mormal thing in the world - he gets it done really fast and he doesn’t do too obviously strange pickup tactics…
You’ve got all the pieces of the puzzle but you haven’t put them together yet.
You live inside a social network. It’s not as obvious in the city as it is in a small town, but it is there. That’s why I drew a distinction in my first post concerning “sophisticated city girls.”
You need to use the network to your advantage. Women are more aware of this. This is why they are (correctly) identifying you as socially retarded. Don’t worry though. Many men are in the same boat with you, including myself.
If you’re really not ready to relax and lose the goal orientation then make your goal to make life easier and more fun for everyone around you. Don’t push them or impose on them when they’re doing something else. See if pheromones make it easier for you to do this.
Your interaction may last only a few seconds. However, the ugly fat girl whose day you just brightened may have the hottest sister you ever saw. You are now identified as a neat guy and are hooked in that manner into her social network. You’re not as anonymous in the city as you may think. Don’t ignore the grandmas, fat people, skinny people, etc. They are all part of the net.
Social networks can work against you also. So be considerate of people. You live in a very straightforward culture and should expect to be shot down if you persist in butting into conversations, etc.
Some PUA’s seem to think that incredible skills are going to get them into bed with any hot girl they see walking down the street. Many of those girls are married, in a relationship, nuns, or have some other reason of their own they’re not going to hook up with you. However, most of them also have a matchmaking urge and will get another notch on their belt if they create a successful match. You can bet if they think you’re a good catch they will be trying to fix you up with their available friends.
I’ve got to admit that I - like everyone else - am biased by my own experiences… riding New York Subways. In NYC I’ve had women walk up to me and hand me their phone number in the beginning of the conversation - completely taking me by surprise. (And no I’m not “hot”, but I was well dressed and they were smoking hot.) I’m getting the impression that french women simply would never contemplate anything like that, and maybe Aussies are the same. I also have to be completely forthright and say that if I ever want to just pick someone up, or get picked up – it will be in NYC during the day. I’m almost completely resigned to the fact that the woman of my dreams probably lives in Manhattan. 
I even have better luck with them on internet dating sites. The women here - the natives - I would never consider “getting with” them and they with me. They’re biased by THEIR experiences with the men here, whom I am nothing like.
And, not completely on topic - I was intimidated yesterday by an aggressive 10/10 Asian goddess yesterday at a book store. She was 100% completely open to being approached yesterday and she scared the hell out of me because I simply wasn’t prepared for that. 
Not quite “approach anxiety” - this was more like intimidation.
Try this simple exercise. Get into the habit of everywhere you go, you ignore anyone who is male (mostly because this next part has a different meaning for men then women) but every woman you pass, you make it a point to look her directly in the eyes. As you do this, pay attention to her body language and the way she reacts to you. Do this for several weeks, every chance you get.
This will have a number of effects. The first is this will give you a thorough education in indicators of interest…which can be quite subtle. What they don’t tell you in books on the subject is that body language is not like regular language. Rarely do you see one specific action that clearly signals anothers intent. Instead, you see clusters of little signals. Often, it can be a challenge to pin down exactly what allows you know someone likes you vs someone who doesn’t. This is compounded by the fact that women from the western world (men too by the way) hide how they feel and actively try to suppress these signals. Looking a woman right in the eyes like this disrupts that suppression and elicits those signals for good or bad. The more you practice, the better you will get at this.
Which brings me to something called the 1% rule. The 1% rule is the realization that, at any particular time, a certain percentage of women will like you, a cetain percentage of women will not, and some will basically be ambivalent. A much smaller percentage will truly despise you. And roughly the same number will, if you ask them the right way, go to the restaurant bathroom with you and fuck your brains out without much effort at all (the 1%). Who these women are to you is mostly random. It’s roughly 1/3. 1/3 like you, 1/3 don’t, 1/3 don’t feel either way. About 1% despise you and 1% are HIGHLY motivated to be with you.
Who these women are to you is mostly random. And no, the percentages are not really a reliable measure of how many there are. Who these women are changes over time and has more to do with them, then it does with you. That stuff is not important really. What is important is the exercise I mentioned above will easily tell you who is who, after you invest enough practice in it.
I know alot of people who consider themselves PUAs will be like, that’s BS, any guy who does the right things can get any woman. I’ve seen some evidence of that but would add that there is a HUGE amount of difference in how much effort you have to put forth, both in the beginning and over time, to get that woman. And it’s mostly random. Actually, there is a tendency for attraction to be mutual, so many of the ones you really want, will really want you anyway. But ask yourself. Which would you prefer, the hot woman who is a royal pain in the ass, who you constantly have monitor every single little thing perfectly, to keep her. Or the equally hot woman, who is probably 10 times more fun to be with, who gives it her all, all of the time and really, REALLY wants to be with you, even when you screw it up.
Whatever. When it comes to approach, especially with day game, this is probably the most important thing. Day game involves approaching a woman at a time that is annoying. You are interupting her. Unless she is killing time at something relaxing…lying on the beach, looking at stuff in a museum, feeding the ducks at the park, etc., she is likely engaged in some goal focussed behavior that you will have to interupt. So, of course, she’s not too open to being interrupted…unless, of course, she’s one of the highly motivated. So, look for these women and focus on them for your day game, especially in the beginning, especially when you are using some heavy provocation like pheromones.
Makes a huge difference.
GWTW,
No women has ever said that I AM socially retarded. I was merely recounting a story in a cafe where my friend was sitting next to 2 hot Bondi girls, and he kept trying to talk to them despite them making it clear through there body language that they were not interested. But then she became incredibly rude to MY FRIEND [not me :)]…she was saying:
“excuse me, i find u incredibly annoying. stop r trying to interject in every little thing i say…r u socially retarded? dont u have any social awareness?”.
Now my friend is a good looking jock kinda guy, but because of the way he tried to meet them - they wouldnt give him a break…5 minutes later, there male friend comes and they tell him : “u wouldn’t believe what happened, some “random” had the nerve to try to hit on us in a cafe”, and they burst out laughing, and the guy goes “what a creep”…see? the social repercussions of trying to go about interacting with women in an “socially inappropriate” way. Then again, thats Bondi for you. being an Aussie in La La land, i met about 50 girls, all cold, on buses, on the beach, in starbucks.
Culturally, Latin and American cultures r more open to the concept of “meeting people cold”.
Haha Magnum…u found it!!! my beloved Bondi Beach…the setting of all my glorious and inglorious encounters with women
Dude, she is not a typical Bondi girl. She alludes to beinga girl who has just moved there from the country. I must admit it seems to be a genuine pick-up, or otherwise shes a brilliantly natural actress.
I know the guy, ive seen him at the hotel they show in the clip, Ravesi’s. I swear i stood next to him and i smelt the distinct scent of AMMO all over him. is this a pheromone induced pick-up? i reckon he got lucky, as 90 percent of Bondi girls wouldnt ve just crossed the road to the beach and gone off with him. Maybe she was his friend or a paid actress? Doubt it htough, seems too natural.
Indeed an inspiring pick-up. But you have to be in a manic state to pull that off…before he met her, what was he doing? approaching ten other girls with the same manic energy and routine? lol…90 percent of guys cant be arsed with the effort he needs to put in.
My apologies. It’s just me and your friend then.
haha funny that this guy is from your area and you know him…
Maybe it’s not the best video to convince you that day approaches are no problem, because this clip is too perfect…
I have to confess that i did not have instant kiss closes on the street but i want to share my personal insights and experiences with you:
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so far bonecker made the most important points: It is VERY important that you have GOOD EYE-CONTACT with the girls and i also agree that there is a small percentage of girls who are open to your approach during the day (altough i don’t completely agree with his percentages…)
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You need to be able to hold eye contact until she looks away… and if you see that she is aware of you and gives signs of interest it is SAFE to approach her. (Maybe you think it is not socially acceptable to look in her eyes till she looks away - i was uneasy when i started doing it but i never had bad reactions since i do it - instead: i had LOTS more good reactions)
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You need to be AWARE of your surroundings - as some members said before, most of the girls are in their head and not very approachable - but this also is true for the guys… i bet you miss a lot of possible approaches because you have stuff to do and are caught in your thoughts, too…
Since i am more aware of my surrounding and more IN THE MOMENT i see A LOT MORE girls that are open to an approach (and i a lot more positive reactions) -
How to avoid being rejected: Don’t approach girls completely COLD - only approach girls where you have done pre-opening (EYE CONTACT) with positive results and i guarantee you, you won’t have any negative reation (maybe not all women who respond positive to your pre-opening will give you their number and want to see you again, but they all have approved that it is ok for you to approach them)
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eye-contact and pheromones are the most valuable things you can do to get girls out of their task/routine… even if you catch their eyes acidentially and you hold eye-contact and smile they automatically will get aware of your PRESENCE and respond to you…
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you have to be convinced that it is COMPLETELY NORMAL to approach girls during the day (remember: not random approaches where you disturb girls with what they are doing but approaches where they gave positive signals…)
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i think that what happened to your friend was that the girls were not open to an approach and were disturbed. Maybe they really believe that it is strange to be approached, but because it is not normal (for most people) it doesn’t mean that it isn’t socially acceptable. But i am sure they wouldn’t have responded that way when a guy approached them whom they gave a solid eye contact in the first place. But with that response it shouldn’t have affected his state - i would have said: Hm - You seemed like nice, cute girls - thats why i wanted to get to know you better - but now that i see that you are overly rude without reason i think you are socially retarded… thanks for clearing that up… i am not interested in emotionally unstable girls… have a nice day
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i don’t think (at least in the western world) there are big differences in where you can approach girls. The things you wrote in your first post about day and club situations and social circles is exactly the same in my country.
IN THE CLUB:
- I admit that it is easier to approach girls cold in a club because they expect it and EVERYONE does it there.
- they have their shields up, because they know every second guy will approach them
- there are more party chicks than high-quality girls
- good for short term relations / ONS
- good to exercise social skills
ON THE STREET:
- lower percentage of girls open to your approach
- solid eye-contact and awareness of your surroundings increses potential successful approaches A LOT
- you have to be sure girls are aware of you before you approach them (if you don’t do this you will have a VERY high percentage of failed approaches)
- more quality girls (i haven’t had as many approaches during the day as in clubs - but the most interesting girls were those i approached during the day)
MY FINAL OBERVATIONS:
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If i don’t include the fact that there are more girls in a club that can be approached cold or with pre-opening (and therefore you have more opportunities in a club than on the street) and only look at the rate of successful approaches during the day and in the club AFTER I HAD SOLID EYE CONTACT / PRE-OPENING i say that the success rate is nearly EQAL.
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You don’t have to do pickup-tactics AT ALL during the conversation if you sort out the girls before you approach them and when you have a positive reaction in the pre-opening you have to approach them IMMEDATELY
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In the past i missed lots of opportunities because i was not AWARE about the possibilities because i was not IN THE MOMENT (instead i was busy with my own thoughts/daily routine) and i didn’t use EYE-CONTACT enough to check out which girls are OPEN to an approach and even when there were signs of interest i MISSED lots of opportunities because i didn’t act IMMEDIATELY.
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What held me back first was that i thought it is UNNATURAL to approach complete strangers during the day and that it is FREAKY to “stare” into a womens eyes until she looks away - but i know now that both is a LIMITING-BELIEF… because since i do those things right i had not ONE negative reaction from the girls i approached and even now i sometimes can’t believe how many approach invitations and opportunities i missed in the past - because i didn’t even see them…
whew - now i wrote a lot - i hope it is understandable and helps …
magnum
Magnum, that is one of my favorite videos too. Alex Coulson is great as well, i don’t think it’s just the fact that he is “tall, dark, and handsome”, but I definitely think it is his charm. Mahalo, it is true that you have to put a lot of effort to get the girls, but I think it is only initially, after it seems to come natural and you no longer see it as effort, but as a game you play with beautiful girls.
ps. One thing I’ve noticed is the way all these guys talk. They have a special ring to their voices and tone that captivates and interests. I know many PUA’s practice their conversational skills, and it definitely shows. A great example is David D’angelo, his voice immediately tells you “Alpha Male”. All these guys make you want to stay and see what they are going to say next. If you act nervous, studder, or talk too fast, girls are going to immediately be more hostile to your approach.
every woman’s going to react differently, if you approach you got a 50/50 shot. if you don’t, your chances drop to 0. Do the math.
most excellent
Those are the same odds I see when I play blackjack, either I win or I don’t, 50/50 lol!
ok - i got a negative and biased rep comment for my last post (#32) which i will answer here as it was not signed:
“you need to get it in your brain that NOT all women are susceptible Barbie Dolls without a brain. Many women see you pua guys coming and run. I’ve had a girl for 3 years and didn’t do anything but be myself. You? Yep..Thought so..”
I am not using PUA stuff to impress dumb party chicks with flashy routines or gimmicks - i am only interested in the psychology and insights i learn to improve my social skills. I am learning it and even more other self-improvement stuff which helped me a lot to improve my character being my best genuine self and to meet more intelligent high-quality women and have better connections with them than i ever could dream off. I had not one single woman run away from me since i am learning about myself because i treat them with genuine interest and respect and not as objects…
As i have more choice now i can choose the right woman to spend the next couple of years with… and as long as i haven’t found her i do whatever me and the girls like
enough said … i didn’t write that here to justify myself but so the author can see that it was a pointless rep comment, not fitting my situation and intentions at all…
Lots of great information here, I don’t think I can really add anything.
Lor, TexasPete, Magnum, GWTW, as well as others, all bring out good points. The most important one, I think, is convincing yourself that it’s okay to approach during the day.
It’s remarkably easy to get a girl and keep her for three years… I’m only 25 and I’ve already done it twice…
Doesn’t mean it is the right girl