Is my mone use getting me shunned? Bizarre behaviour

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Hey all,

New user… as if you can’t tell :stuck_out_tongue:

I’ve recently got the basic four mones and am trying to mix things up and see what’s what. TUTH, Shine, Openness and A314.

I’m a good looking guy, confident without being cocky. But it has been INCREDIBLY hard to find hits with these, and people’s behaviour has been completely erratic.

I’ve been using them one by one, and usually just trying out a single spray to the neck, or the wrists/inner elbows (which I don’t like for the sake of it getting trapped in my leather jacket sleeves). And honestly, If anything I’m seeing negative results.

It seems to have gotten me shunned on numerous occasions. Talkative people in the office (mainly men) sooner almost ignore me. Closer friends have acted somewhat distant. And the more sprays I try (even just two) seem to ghost me more and more. I even approach people to talk, and they seem to want to end the conversation. My jokes aren’t even chuckled at. And I’m usually that friendliest guy that everyone respects and gets along with. I’m the ‘too’ nice guy.

The other day I went to the park at lunch. An old man on a bench in the distance instantly turned towards me and stared. For about 10 minutes. Literally sitting sideways on the bench facing my direction. It made me uncomfortable to the point of going to the car to head back to the office. When two other guys in a truck stared me down the entire way as I walked to wards my car. Incredibly odd. It was a single spray of A314 I believe I had on.

Is it possible my natural pheromones are already strong, and even the tiniest amount is ODing me? Interacting with my deoderant maybe? Building up?

My best ‘hit’ would have been on the weekend. I spent the entire day working with my ex GF at an event. She seeked me out to ask if I wanted to go to lunch. Smiled a lot. Asked me for a break, outside. And in the end quite literally said ‘how up for sex she was… but couldn’t because of her interstate attachment’. This would have been from the TINIEST amount of TUTH you can imagine. And after all day building natural attraction. I’m talking, pulling the spray nozzle out of the bottle and just wiping the tube residue on my neck. Incredibly small amount. The next day I tried the same… and was ghosted aaaaaall day. I couldn’t even hug her without getting a bit of a pull away. But she was in an irrate mood, not from me.

The other best would have been one day on A134. My friends treated me as ‘the man’. Sat down only after I did. Made room for me. All listened when I spoke etc. I just felt… they felt… I was superior somehow. But only for one day. Where’s the consistency in about a month and a half of testing?

I mainly want to build attraction with women (who, have told me before… they’re intimidate because I am ‘up here’ and they are ‘down there’… low self esteem I guess). So I am going to try Ammo with perhaps a buffer like Shine or Openness and see what works.

Any insights?

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Its hard to say without more detail as to which products you wore, how much and in what environment each was used.

Was this with IO on or something else ? How much ?

If your using TUTH in a non social or sexually charged environment its likely people will get creeped out by its aggressiveness in an inappropriate setting. You would see avoidance or a shunning as you put it because it makes people uncomfortable.

People tend to stare or watch the Alpha. Now the two guys in the truck couldn’t be effects caused by your mones unless they were within range before they entered the truck. It could be your body language or you are just more aware of people now that your looking for results.

I think AMMO is a good choice. Its more for everyday use and environments then TUTH is. TUTH is best used in sexual situations or in sexual charged environments. Dates parties clubs etc etc.

Ishine to soften the intimidation factor is a good choice to.

Tisha

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Its clear that you are OD’ing A314
do it again without it

goodluck

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Full disclosure- I am a newbie as well.
I tend to be in a similar situation, I am naturally seen as alpha in many cases, but extremely likable for the most part.
When I first started using A314 at work I noticed several effect- especially on the guys at work. SOme avoided me, and some seemed a to ghost me altogether. Something Mobo and Tish explained to me helped alot- people are re-evaluating you. There is something different abut you, something of higher value and they need to make sense of it and readjust to it.
Most of the guys at work have come around and now are back to behaving normally- if with a bit more respect and treating as more of a “leader” or “the man”.. but for the most part, they have adjusted- so have the women as well.
I have a post up about a very weird reaction from a lady I work with who was weirded out, but now is throwing herself at me and giving me non stop IOIs.
As Tish and Mobo advised- you have to show the guys that its still ok to hang out and have fun. that your new status is not a threat to them.

As for aggression, there are two guys at work who now completely avoided me and are somewhat hostile- but I never got long with these guys anyway. In fact I don’t like them and never have- and I never pretended to…they seem even more put off by my presence. I tend to ignore dudes I don’t like anyway, so I like it.

Let people adjust, and show them its ok to hang with you and have fun. You will end up in a very cool vibe.

btw, I work with some very snotty and high status doctors. While I usually am able to maintain my status around them without mones, their reactions to me with A314 has been hilarious. These docs who think they are the Kings get a look of confusion on their face like “why am I deferring to this guy, I’m his boss?” look on their faces. Their body language and voices change.. its really funny. But most men- even of higher status- will respect you more in the end.

At least those are my very early impressions

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That’s exactly right! I’ve found a lot of these guys who were usually somewhat submissive (at least in a non obvious way) are now actually going out of their way to challenge me. A good friend the other day was going to bring his project car in. I said I can’t wait to see it, as he’s been talking about it for a long time, but I did the right thing and asked if he’d be cool to show me. His answer. A flat out “Hmmm, nah… probably not.” I was almost dumbfounded and speechless. Then on one hand, he has come up to me twice to also ask what I was doing for lunch, and invited me out/wanted to hang. It’s so hit or miss.

Tisha - The office oddities have been with all of them, used one by one on different days. Just one spray and almost exclusively to the neck, though I have tried others. Today I’ve got with one Shine spray to the face.
What I find interesting about the TUTH hit, is that my ex GF too, is one that will get sexually charged no matter what the environment. Hence her expression of sexual interest, while we were actually working. This has happened without mones before though, so I couldn’t say for certain it was the TUTH. But catch her in an even slightly bad mood, and it’s ghost city to the max. I think I need a more comforting, friendly and less intimidating vibe like AMMO and Shine, so I can let my natural attraction/charm/value/whatever you want to call it work WITH it.
Maybe even some Instant Jerk seeing as people say I’m TOO nice :stuck_out_tongue:
The only thing is, since I am overly nice and try to put people at ease, I have a tendency to give of that just friends vibe when I could do with more sexual attraction and interest being built. But then in that case, it completes the package, as somewhat of a ‘too good to be true deal’ and scares women off, or intimidates them to the point of them not feeling worthy. My ex for one was such an example always telling me those things, WITHOUT mones. "You’re too good for me. I don’t deserve you. etc etc.

This is going to be hard to find the right balance!

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I don’t know how long you have worked there but it could be they just need repeated exposure. Maybe as you indicated you give off a strong signature currently and they are used to that one. This new one may just be making them feel unsure of whats going on with you. I have had this happen on occasion. When I first started using copulins even my husband was taken a bit back. He couldn’t place what was different but he knew something was. People who know us well tend to back off and observe when they are trying to figure out where these new feelings are coming from. Eventually they come around. I am not saying this is definitely whats happening in your case but I would consider it.

You said yourself your the nice guy in the group and suddenly your giving off an aggressive sexual vibe. I think its normal reaction to the sudden change

I have always said that TUTH is just to strong for a work environment. It can back fire easily. It may be to big of a jump in signals for you to pull off right away. Ammo is your better choice there. Its not in your face aggressive and sexual like TUTH. So you can slowly change the signals and people wont be so taken back by it.

As for IO and Ishine. Everyone’s dose is slightly different but 1 spray rarely does it. Most people range 3 to 4 sprays. Maybe your not using enough to cause a reaction with those. Test higher dosages to be sure.

Tisha

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About two years, I’ve worked there! But haven’t known a LOT of people that long. Interestingly though, the new guy hasn’t been as shun as the rest. And more interestingly, a guy I have never really spoken to ALWAYS wants to talk now, and seeks me out for a chat.

I’ll try out more Shine sprays! Just don’t want to OD. I had maybe… two-ish on last night and kind of perked up the room at a party I was out. But again, it was a lot of people that respect me as always, and it was only Shine I had on to make sure I wasn’t going to ‘offend’ anyone :stuck_out_tongue:

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too much TUTH can cause shunning; too much A314 too

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The TUTH seems INCREDIBLY strong. Even one spray is instant OD for me I think.

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then, don’t use it. If not, use it with socials such as IS or IH

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I gave it a use (just wiping the spray nozzle) with 3 hits of Shine tonight, and one of IO. Seemed to go OK, girl seemed quite fidgety, but there was no distinct difference to wearing nothing at all, or too much.

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Definitely hold off on TUTH in your workplace. It’s best reserved for intimate settings with someone you already know or to escalate after you’ve established attraction such as a first or second date.

With A314, it changes attitudes with those you already know. Coworkers are a peculiar thing. Remember besides trust and respect it can also induce jealously, fear, and make others feel that they’re in competition with you.