lol. am having fun reading this post, best thing to do is, try them out as casanova said and THEN understand if they do work or not. i read a few articles from casanova, and judging by the time he’s been here, i assume he knows a fair bit about pheros. but the original question here was from forster joe, who wanned to genuinely understand why he couldn’t have any effect on his tests. best thing to do is forster joe to start by 2 drops/sprays, and then increase the dosage, (up to a ridiculous levels like even 10 or 12 drops/sprays just to test them out) but be assured when u overdose, (just like casanova said, and i think am gonna agree with him, cos i’ve read sooooo many articles about overdosing) u might get mixed results. or results that u never expected at all. just try them out anyway, just to see what the results are. also this is something i dont really have any scientific proof, but do u guys think that if the user of the pheros is in medication or smokes or other drugs, the results might wary?? that’s a good question i think is important. so forster joe, just an idea u might wanna consider and if u dont mind telling us, let us know if u actually ARE using any medication drugs. about smoking, well am a smoker and i wanned to know if u guys are too and if it might effect the results of the tests. am still waiting for my order to come to me, i’ve got I.O. and TUTH, to try it on this awsome chick that i’ve just met in a pub and to try it on my ex girlfriend. (call me selfish or whatever lol) but i still wanna try it on my ex and see if this stuff really works on ex’s. if it does i’ll be sure to post a thread on the results i get. am gonna try with 2 sprays of both I.O and TUTH. and see how it goes on both of my victims. lol. i call’em victims only cos i feel like they are. lol. but no pun intended here. it’s all for the sake of fun, that’s all. and besides i read a looooaad of posts here, and i dont think people wanna waste their time here just to be unselfish enough to share their POSITIVE results with us, and sooo many of’em ARE having positive results. so i think this stuff DO work, but the only way to check it is only by trying it and experimenting it, just add fun into ur life. that’s all. lol. good luck everyone, and forster joe, please let us know what ur results are when u underdose it a little bit. cheers to all. 
Nope, that is NOT what he was saying. Read his post.
But let’s play by what you just said… You state the person has to have something fro you subconsciously… Now. go read the thread about how to tell if a lady is interested in you and do some research on body language and the effects of the subconscious on it. If a lady is subconsciously sexually attracted to a guy then she will have certain little “tells” via body language, as stated in the mentioned thread and other research.
Now if I guy can read this body language all he would need to do is approach the lady and initiate something if she doesn’t. As long as his approach is correct he should be in the sack with her within time, and without the need for pheromones.
Now… if the lady is not attracted to the guy either consciously or subconsciously and pheromones won’t make a lady do things against her will then pheromones won’t work.
Now… why do guys buy pheromones or any other product that will aledgedly make women have sex with them? Because normally the women they are wanting to have sex with normally won’t. So if the women normally won’t have sex with them pheromones should not work on them.
I’m seeing a lot of contradictions posted…
I’m not saying pheromone work or don’t. In fact I hope they do. My Turn Up The Heat is on it’s way to my door as we speak and if DHL is on time today it should be here around 4 PM eastern time. I have a date with the lady I am trying to rekindle a relationship with and will be trying the TUTH tonight. I’ll post my results tomorrow, or later tonight if possible…
But I am still looking forward to taking part in this experiment to see one way or the other…
So basically.. what you just said is a good cologne, a nice suit, the right attitude are all a guy needs and they don’t need pheromones… So tell me then.. why should a guy spend his money on pheromones???
Prove it!!!
What I meant to say is that you just can’t spray on pheromones and expect a CRAZY change, it will take some work too just as you mentioned. You actually going up to the person and trying to open her. You’ll get IOI of interest more so than before, but you will still have to open the girl in most cases. You can’t just spray on pheromones and expect the girl to come to you in other words like in the movie Oceans 13. The signs will be there, but you will have to act upon those signs to take it to the next level.
Sorry - no time to deal with your scepticism.
So now you’re back pedaling and contradicting again. If the lady has interest then pheromones should NOT be needed!!! This is a fact!!! If she is NOT interested then by what you say pheromones will not WORK!!!
It’s common sense.. no science needed.
Why? Afraid to be shown to not know as much as you pretend to?
I’m sorry but as I said you are doing more to hurt any sales here than anyone. Your posts are filled with contradictions, gobbldy gook, and nonsense.
Have you tried pheromones? do you know how they work if they work?
I honestly don’t know if they do or don’t but because a certain lady means so much to me I want to try them. I do hope they work. But your posts aren’t making me feel very confident about it.
papawolf, best thing to do is, try it urself mate. am waiting for my order too. and we can all share what’s happening.
Let me put some perspective on how OD works with respect to free will.
Generally when we talk about OD we are talking about none. It appears that none is a dominance/sexual signalling molecule that is mostly produced by men.
When a guy wears none he is essentially boosting his dominance/sexual readyness signalling. This works to attract women (especially those at high points in their fertility) by signalling to their subconscious “I am strong and dominant and sexual”
Obviously when a guy is signalling this towards other men their subconscious says “Must compete with other male”
Now pheromones work by signalling… the other men no matter how strongly you signal your dominance, can choose not to compete… however especially when alchohol/dumbasses are involved they choose to compete. My opinion is that generally at the club there are people looking for a reason to get into a fight… none signals that reason to them subconsciously. If you asked the guy he would probably say something like “you looked at me the wrong way”.
With women, being too dominant/sexually aggressive in your actions will cause her to want to shy away (get bad feelings about you)… OD causes her subconscious to trigger a “This dude is being too sexually aggressive/dominant” switch which generally women will choose consciously to listen to.
Eventually ghosting occurs because your phero signalling becomes highly inconguent with how you are acting/how someone would normally perceive you.
Most of us have been in situations where someone was acting completely out of context of how they should be acting in that situation (A really drunk guy at a funeral hitting on girls)… what happens? Everybody avoids that person (he gets ghosted) because his actions are incongruent to the situation… triggers in peoples subconscious say “Something is not right about how he is acting… I’m confused” which results in people making conscious decisions to avoid that person.
really bad none OD’s cause similar “Something is really off about this guys signalling” triggers.
TO THE OP
Can you give examples of where you applied the product, how you felt prior to and after application, etc etc etc.
Look at my journal for an example of how to start - My first real evidence of phero’s working (other than I found positive self-effects from IS) was that on days where I wore A314 a buddy at work would hang around my desk and invade my personal space.
Initially I thought nothing of it (and if I hadn’t used the journal I might of missed it completely)… when I went back and looked through my notes I noticed that everytime I wore A314 my buddy would act differently.
Ahhh.. you just made me think of something else here… WHEN would be the best time to use a pheromone… It’s medical fact that women are at a sexual peak during ovulation and menstruation… So it would just seem logical that the best time to use a pheromone would be during these periods (no pun intended). But then.. how many women are receptive to sex during these times… yeah they may be horny but a lot of them think it’s.. well… icky…
None is most effective during ovulation (when fertility is at its’ highest)
Experience (mine and others outside the phero sphere) is that women tend to go for “Bad Boys” during ovulation and switch to “Provider types” closer to the end of their cycles.
None signals “Bad Boy”… my experience near the end of the cycle with none is it produces crankiness.
I think the crankiness might have to do with a combination of lower attractiveness to bad boys (which none signals) and the perception of sexual aggression at a time when sex is “icky” -
Oiiiiii. It’s like arguing with a 2 year old in an old mans body… 
Comon guys - resorting to name calling to win arguments should be left for the schoolyard and radical feminist blogs.
That’s like saying, all you need is is a nice car, total player skills, and tons of money and you can get laid, WHY USE PHEROMONES? Of course you can get laid/get a women’s attention without pheromones. But pheromones help take it to another level. Read my most recent post in my journal (link in signature). I mentioned how a girl that was sitting next to me was leaning in so close to me she was almost laying her head on my shoulder. Now what would have attracted her to be this close to me? She is a married girl, has never said more than formalities of hi, how are you to me, and has never before shown any type of sexual interest towards me. In fact I have never gotten any signals from her before whatsoever.
She did not stare at me sexually, or touch me, or even say a single word to me. But, why would she be leaning so close to me? It’s not a natural position for someone to be in, hunched over a very uncomfortable hard plastic arm rest. My conclusions? She was attracted to the pheromones. Not necessarily attracted to me though, which is why she did nothing more than lean in close to me, just to get a better “whiff” of the pheromones. Whether she did this intentionally or subconciously I do not know.
On a different note, I’ve had experiences where I wore pheromones around girls I didn’t know (bars/clubs) and I had women approach me. I’ve also had success with women in these types of places that would normally take a LOT more work for me to get (the 9s and 10s). Notice that I said a lot more work, and not impossible to get. Of course I could get them by myself and without pheromones, and in fact I have on many occassions. However, when I’ve used pheromones I’ve noticed it is a thousand times easier. They seem to be more at ease, or are more willing to act on their attraction to me beyond just thinking “hey he’s cute”.
You can do anything on your own without any aid whatsoever. In fact, I often recommend to many new users that they do. I suggest that they work on themselves and practice basic social skills and improve on speaking to women before they attempt using pheromones because even some Gilroy from Ocean’s 13 will do nothing for you if you can’t even talk to a woman.
The world isn’t black and white, there are many grey areas. It isn’t that they either work or they don’t, there are times they do and times they don’t. I first started using pheromones a few years ago, used them for about 3 months, and then quit because I “didn’t see anything”. By chance I came across this site back around September and after doing a lot of research and reading many threads, pheromones caught my interest again. The first time I used pheromones I had no direction. The place I got them from didn’t have a supportive community like this one. There wasn’t tons of information, like there is here, on how to recognize if pheromones are working. I have found success using this company’s products, but that doesn’t mean I didn’t have any using the other company. It just means I didn’t know how to look for what I needed to look for.
By the way, your first order of TUTH, while it is a great pheromone and one of my favorites, probably wasn’t the best choice for a first pheromone, especially if you are trying to rekindle an old fling. It is more of an overtly sexual/aggressive pheromone that most people need to use in combination with something else to soften it’s effects. I suggest using only 1 spray at first so that you don’t overwhelm your lady friend. If you find yourself inclined to purchase another pheromone, make it Instant Honesty. You will find this will increase her comfort level around you and would be a better choice to ignite that spark once again.
i’ve ordered TUTH and IO. i hope this combo will help me on my ex. thanks for the info scottie. and yeah i did read some of ur journals. i learnt a lot from it, thanks mate. but what do u rekon the best combo (with the amounts of sprays/drops, place to put on, and how long before to put on before i meet my ex) is with tuth and io? thanks for the help once again.
Glad I could help . At 25, I would say 1 spray TUTH and 3 IO. The reason I say this is because the IO will help buffer the TUTH quite a bit. Even though 3 sprays of IO will minimize the effects of TUTH, that may be the best way to go with an ex. You don’t want to come off as overtly sexual right away. Then again, if that was your plan, then go with 1 TUTH and 2 IO.
Everyone has their own preferred places to apply pheromones. As for me, I like to stick to my neck. I’m 5’8", so I don’t have to worry about my neck being above most women’s heads and them not smelling it. When it’s warm out and I’m wearing short sleeve t-shirts I apply to my forearms as well, but it’s winter now, so it’s all on my neck. I would do TUTH on the front of your neck and IO on the sides and front. It’s okay to spray the IO over the TUTH, it won’t affect the TUTH at all. Just be aware that at these points, the IO will affect you as well, and may turn u into a talk machine. If you want to avoid this, apply the IO to the top and back of your head.
I do suggest waiting 10-15 minutes after application and putting on 1 spray (2 MAX) of a cover scent, whatever your favorite (or even better her favorite) cologne is. Don’t go too heavy on the cover scent, it could be a big turn off. Oh yeah, put them on about 30 min-1 hour before meeting up with her. That should optimize their effects. Best of luck buddy, please keep us up to date on how it goes!
will sure do. thanks again. am still waiting for the order to turn up. i’ve started an orginal post on my first intro page in here. i’ll put the update there. will u be able to see it if i’ll do that? or should i post it here as well?
PM me the link I’ll subscribe and follow along.
Hi, a new rooky here. lol. - PheroTalk Pheromone Research Forum
i think this is the one. saying “hi, a new rookie here, lol”