Okay, listen up guys, my friend applied 2 sprays of mx-102 (experimental a314) before going for a job interview, he got the job in 100 seconds, the guy had massive respect and confidence in him. My friend actually screamed out “HA!” when he got the job, he was 99% sure he wouldn’t get it, the pheromones did it for him LOL. When i wear Mx-102 men are very respectful, the are all woried about pleasing me since i am the “alpha male”!
Michael Harris, you sure make a funny/fun product, cheating in life, cheating nature, have always been against it, but for this, i am 100% for it!
20$ for mx-102, WHAT A BARGAIN, he will pay the bottle in 2 hours work!!!
Also, when i wear mx-102, it makes me a little to serious, i feel kinda weird, i don’t like feeling weird, i would recommend wearing it on your belly away from your nose, but if it is for a job interview, tough it, wear some on your chin!
Yep.. gotta say, I love the MX102. Works alot better than the oil version of A314. Makes me confident and people take me seriously and listen to what I’ve got to say.
I just put on pherlure today, 2 x sprays on the shirt front. It definitely does something. For the whole week, I’d used A314 and ISHINE, and i’ve felt happy and I get eye contact from females and males are really friendly and want me to join them in all sorts of social activities. After the 2 sprays of Pherlure today,…gosh , what a difference. Everyone’s avoiding me and I become the invisible man. Crap!
I sprayed ISHINE on top of the pherlure later today and some MX102 but nothing’s changing except I feel a bit more uplifted. Man that Pherlure’s strong stuff..can’t get rid of it. I’ll have to change my shirt when I get home. I don’t think I wanna use it ever again.
Michael Harris, you sure make a funny/fun product, cheating in life, cheating nature, have always been against it, but for this, i am 100% for it!
Yes, it’s very useful when you need to be accepted in terms of status and capability. It really is like cheating at life.
Also, even though most won’t call A314 sexual, I highly recommend said people to approach women far out of their league with it. Models, actresses… if you can find a princess these days, so much the better. Find high status women, and approach them.
It may not be androstenone like in nature whatsoever, but I find quite a bit of access to high end women. You might not get a muscle t-shirt like effect, but A314 puts you “on their level”, and you can work with that. You have a foot in the door.
Well, that’s very temporary since MX102 through MX105 are test mixes.
The cost of text mixes bears no relation whatever to how much it costs to make the product, how much you’ll benefit, nor how much it’ll actually sell for.
When the test mixes gone, there’ll be a much costlier buy in, and a royalty agreement for a % of your new income.
We’ll also call it what it is… your guardian angel, or your “Success Genie”.
“Yes, master…”
Soon, you’ll have what Joshua Bratman has.
Most of the self-effects from pheromones, positive or negative, fade with time, when you use them daily (chronic exposure).
It’s almost like eating pizza every day… soon enough, it won’t taste like much of anything to you.
Or listen to your favorite song over and over again. Soon enough, it won’t do much of anything for you. Your brain’s hunger for variety assures that.
Remember the initial feelings from every mix, though. Those are the feeling some people will get around you during acure exposure. In your case, some men will feel as you do when you yourself wear it.
Lots of androstenone like effects from perhaps a little over half the respondents using Pherlure.
On the other hand, some seem to get anything but a -none like effect. I think they change what’s in the bottle quite often, since I’ve seen reports of the smell change quite a bit, as well.
The bottle of Pherlure I have is weak smelling, with a dirty, almost an ass-like note. It also makes my nose twitch, like like Molecule L (TAL), but I dount they use that since it’s a very obscure, expensive molecule.
Perhaps it’s related to that, though. In the same family. My nose doesn’t twitch at many molecules, so it’s an interesting thing to note. (try to see if yours twiches to Pherlure and Molecule L)
I’m talking about my bottle, of course. Sounds like yours is different, both smell and pheromone wise.
Mx102, if i spray on bout 4 full sprays, lasts a good 5-6 hrs, … Pretty much an entire outing. When I put it on, I never notice the effect fade off till I take a shower really. After the shower, I feel like a pussy again in a matter of minutes. I don’t know if it’s a placebo thing or if the mones are actually affecting me that way. Whatever it is, when I put it on, I feel like the best I can be, which in a way is a bad thing, as I have become reliant on the pheromone. Not a physical, but a mental addiction. When I don’t have A314 on, I don’t quite feel like myself anymore. I should take some days off using it so I can work on my inner-self a bit more and improve the way I see myself.
I am a person who’s got very little confidence in myself when it comes to social interactions and dating for some reason, and I should be taking some sorta self-help course to overcome that…But in the time being, A314 /mx102 /shine shows me the way I SHOULD be. It’s a quick fix, that I know, but I’ll sort out myself in time, when I’m ready.
Before any of you start giving me advise on approaching women and using Mystery method etc, I will quickly mention that I’m already using it and I approach alot and have had moderate success. I’m not one who sits there and does nothing and hope the mones will do it for me. When I say that I’ve got lack of confidence, what I mean is that I am not satisfied with the level I am at now, when dealing with people in general. I have seen my potential when using A314 and I know I can be better ( ie more out-going, wittier, more charming, more confident, garner more respect ). Just something I gotta work out for myself.
Just going to run off topic for a sec. MHarris, what do you reckon would happen if I combo some Ammo with my A314 ? Do you think it would be a good idea to attract females? How would you think one would be percieved with that combo? A314 gives off the reliable, trustworthy, cool/calm/jamesbond, respect aura which I am getting. What happens when i throw in Ammo? Ammo has nol and none and whatever else that gives off a badboy effect. Now would that be confusing to women when the 2 are combined?
It terms of behavioral psychology, it really doesn’t matter how you generate a behavior. Eventually, if you act a certain way long enough, you’ll grow the mental legs to support that behavior.
In a very real sense, “Fake it till ya make it” has been shown to work, for those who stick at it long-enough.
When you feel good, for whatever reason, throw yourself into as many social interactions as you can… and you will build the proper mental experience necessary for the “temporary” effect to extend itself.
Remember, even if you’re using it as a crutch… a crutch is there to help you walk. Soon enough, you’ll be able to walk without the crutch.
After you no longer need it, your relationship to the tool becomes enhancement & want based. You can use it for enhancement, if you like. You can use it because you want it, not because you need it.
Despite what the Buddhists say about “want”, to me, want is involved in true mental freedom. To me, need is the prison, while things that are optional are involved in freedom. And things you want are totally optional.
The best relationships I’ve had in my life have been want based, and the worst, need based.
NFS, before you continue, I must ask… have you tried The Mystery Method?
It’ll happen. Sounds like you’re headed in the right direction already. Getting out there, and having positive social success (even with A314 to assist), is what’s going to help you long-term. You’re already doing that. just keep it.
I’d try MX103 through MX105 instead of normal A314, or the experimental MX102 version. I’d especially try MX105.
You can successfully use Ammo or Turn up The Heat with A314.
Androstenone based products have a very physical, sort of “well endowed” type of effect.
There’s no saying you can’t be calm, cool, confident, successful (A314) and well endowed. Nothing wrong with that, at all.
Yes, androstenone has a certain instability to it, but A314 reduces that.
Again, I’d be interested in your experimentation with MX105 while it’s still around. That’ll be more romantic, more appropriate for “night time” use.
The current version of Ammo isn’t really a bad boy effect, btw.
It’s meant as an easy to use nightgoing cologne… meaning it has it’s sexual elements, but not as extreme as -none alone.
Unless we change it’s positioning, Ammo is going to be a consumer, mid to upper market cologne. A sexy cologne with a pheromonal “boost”, to better deliver the benefits that people really want from cologne.
I’ve been using MMethod for 10 months now and it has killed my fears in approaching any woman. I must say, it really work in that respect. But after almost a year of MMethod, I have found that i’ve become reliant on that too. I’ve become so routine based that whenever I sarge a girl, it’s like a Shakespearian play about to start. It’s almost as if it’s scripted. I know that’s not the way Mystery intended it to be, but that how I have evolved to " become ". Remember when Style said at the end of his book how so many PUA’s try to emulate him and his routines ( I won’t say techniques, coz his techniques/understanding/calibration are awesome ), and become like robots? Well, I have turned out like that. I have sarged, I have approached, and I have closed with numbers for a date. Then on the date, I’m like this robot who just isn’t me. And I’m wondering , how long I can keep this facade up with the girl you know? So lately, I’ve been listening to this self-help guy called Gary Brodsky. I must say, he’s awesome and he instilled in my mind many things that are currently, causing me to evolve yet again to another level of confidence and competence. This guy is literally reframing my mind to bring out the personality in me, that I so lacked from the robotic nature of the MMethod.
I had a date last weekend, and I tried out some of these Brodsky techniques and I was incredibly happy bout the way I held myself. I was almost my best self on that night and I didn’t do any routines, didn’t have to depend on it for the first time in months. You know when women say to unconfident men " Just be yourself! ", well , that doesn’t work at all. It’s being your " best self " that brings upon the sparkle in her eyes, and boy…I sure got sparkles from her. Then again, I had Shine and A314 to help me as well.
MHarris, I have been thinking of the faking it till I make it with the mones, even before you mentioned it. I was thinking maybe if I get used to acting this way, I shall become natural in that form. But then I thought about it again. When one day, months down the line I decide to go commando without mones, the placebo effect might actually kick in. I’d probably start to think " hey you have become this really confident person because you had mones to help you and now, u don’t have mones on. Revert back to old self . "
I was watching the Annihilation Method by Style the other day. And he mentioned many a good AFC turned PUA had decided to drop the whole facade and just be " natural ", and that they thought that they had finally amalgamated with their alter ego. Within days they had lost it all and snapped back to their old AFC ways and have become quivering wimps again. Without the methods , they were nothing but the same person still.
I think it doesn’t work in theory. You can’t fake it till you make it because the little voice in your head will always tell you that deep down, you’re still the same person. One has to really consiously change oneself from within , and that’s the hardest challenge in life, facing your own demons.
Thank you for your Ammo + A314 feedback. I will try it this weekend for sure. I will also try MX 105 upon your recommendation. I think that formula’s missing 2 pheromones right? So in what way would it be different than MX102 in terms of effect? You mentioned it being more romantic, but what’s the downside of that? Less respect from men maybe ?
Sorry for the long post guys, typing my thoughts here allow me to actually analyze problems and see things from a 3rd perspective.
oh by the way, Pherlure makes me sneeze. I actually hate the cover scent. It smells unnatural to me. So synthetic in nature and overly sweet for my taste.
So is Neil (Style). I met him at the beginning of the summer, and found his social options oddly lacking.
I’m not “in the field” nearly as much as someone like him, but I easily had more behavioral flexibility, and thus, in terms of Ashby’s law of systems, I was in control.
He’s a social robot, just a refined one.
If a woman was completely unexposed to him and his writings, I can see his methods working. For those exposed, I cannot. I think they’d honestly have to be won over by him as a person (and he does seem like an enjoyable person), not his methods.
At least those methods give a very real foot in the door. An opportunity to show your real self. An opportunity may not have had otherwise.
i.e., you can start with those methods, then slide into being you. You know you can get what you want by going through all the motions 100%, so feel free to “burn” opportunities by ditching the tried & true scripts midstream after the initial rejection phase has been cleared.
Most women reject men so quickly, all they end up with is refined players.
They see normal men as creepy or boring, and don’t give them enough time to become comfortable and start controlling them frame.
It’s why I recommended to one lady here on this forum, to start judging a guy on the second meeting or second date… the first one is nothing. They could end up rejecting the potential love of their life by evaluating a man when his in “stun” mode.
Well, good. Now you have a solid structure (what you’re basically saying is that MM is solid – too solid), you can play. There’s many directions you can go now.
It’s like driving. After you know how to drive “the right way”, you can develop your own methods and inject your own creativity. Tough (if not deadly) to start that way, though!
How did you learn Mystery Method, btw? Forums, the VAH book, videos, trainings?
No, it doesn’t. It’s your normal self which is not hitting the right attraction triggers in women. They’re far too harsh when first meeting someone, and you really need to be well developed – either naturally or through training – to bypass all of the petty BS, and get into something deeper.
Being “yourself” will happen eventually, but only when bypassing the petty gatekeeper in the other person’s head.
There’s also many selfs. People are different than they were when they were born. There’s no shame in changing… and, especially, becoming better.
If being yourself doesn’t work, be someone better or at least more palatable. There’s no natural born anything. No infant has ever sold me a car (the “natural born salesman” nonsense). Learning to be more is just fine.
Yes, better is always a valid option.
Instead of saying “Be yourself”, people should say “be someone better”. There’s no shame in being better. It’s not disingenuous to learn and grow.
If you become competent enough, it doesn’t matter as much what nonsense you tell yourself.
Think about riding a bike. Now that you’ve done it, it’s VERY hard to be as bad as you were when you first rode, no matter WHAT you say to yourself.
You’d have to be a GREAT actor to really capture what it’s like pre-ride.
I don’t know why he’d say that, but that’s obviously not the whole truth. Sounds like a negativistic fantasy. Human beings don’t work that way. It’s tough to unlearn things.
See the bike riding example above.
I truly dare you to jump on a bike and hurt yourself as much as you did when first tried to ride one.
It’s tough to be a virgin all over again. If we’re machine like at all, we’re learning machines. We learn fast, and if anything gets us in trouble, it’s how quickly we can learn from negative experiences and convince ourselves that it’ll “always be this way”.
Once you’ve been successful, it’s actually VERY hard to become a loser again.
Many SELF-MADE rich people, in fact, say that they could lose everything, and be back to where they are in a year… because while they may lose their assessment, they CANNOT lose their experiences and what they’ve learned.
They now know how to be successful, and it’s tough to take that away, short of dying.
Then shut it up. It’s your voice.
Put some clown music to it, move the voice to your left, to your past, and fade it volume away to nothing.
You can control what goes on in your head.
You can even make it egg you on, using the same words it does now. Just make it sexy (“oooh, you can’t do that!”). It’ll have the reverse effect when you change the voice tone.
I’m very serious. Try it. It works. If you don’t, I’m going to bill you $10k, since it this commonly what people charge for this advice.
Then you’ll try it, I guarantee you!
It’s hard as long as you think it’s hard.
The reality of the matter is that almost everything is easy.
I guarantee that your ideas about what is not easy or possible are not your own. You just think things are hard, because you hear people proselytizing this nonsense all the time. You’ve bought into mass hypnotic BS that drags down the average person to the level of an flea.
You’ve learned a lie, and you’ve learned it well.
I guarantee you that actual successful people do not think like this. You cannot achieve success in a lifetime (where there’s no time to waste) when you are own worst enemy, with inaccurate, defeatist thoughts about what isn’t possible in your reality.
Contemplate the following two bits of reality based thinking:
“Whether You Think You Can or Can’t, You’re Right” – Henry Ford
and (feel free to ignore the pseudo-religious subtext):
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our Light, not our Darkness, that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you NOT to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightening about shrinking so that other people won’t feel unsure around you. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It is not just in some of us; it is in everyone. As we let our own Light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. " - Marianne Williamson
These are a hell of a lot closer to the actuality, I assure you.
It’s missing “day” pheromones.
Potentially
Hey, I’m not going to have your experience for you. These are test mixes for a reason. You tell me.
It’s time to replace programming given freely to you by others, with something resembling what is true… and what works.
Imagine if a V12 car had a conscious mind, and it was convinced by others that it was a bicycle. It’d act like one, despite being so very much more.
The downside of having a conscious mind – of having massive amounts of very real mental power – is that you can be scammed… into thinking & feeling that you are less than you are. Your power can be used against you.
That’s what happened to you, and it what happens to too many good people.
Acknowledge most of your limiting beliefs as second hand BS, and understand that truly successful people believe something else. If you want to model anyone, model people who’ve done what you want to do.
You can do anything the most admired people in history have, and more.
Stop being your own worst enemy, and become your own best hero. That starts with what’s in your head.
You’ve seen now, for example, what a different effect is generated by using different words and body movements through the Mystery Method. Everything is like that. You do different things, think different things, say different things, move your body a little differently, and you get a different result.
It really is very easy, despite the rumors from unhappy, unsuccessful people (or from selfish, successful people who are too myopic to want you to have what they have)
I was contemplating… would it be useful to saturate myself with high doses of products I am sensitive to e.g. TEnone/A314/ANOL/A1 in order to train or remove the negative self-effects. I live alone & could practise this way after working hours.
I couldn’t seduce others effectively if I am negatively affected myself. Need the rational mind & balanced emotions intact. Will this approach work? Anyone tried it? Thanks.
You can, you’ll have to do it regularly, but it won’t remove the effects entirely. You’ll get a core or diluted effect, but truly exceptional “special effects” will be removed or muted in most cases. Sort of like getting the milk, but not the cream on top.
Personally, I stay away from high amoubts of A1 and -none, and while I’ve been exposed to ample amounts of each, I’ll still have stronger responses when I use larger amounts them for the first time in a long time.
However, I don’t ever get the over the top effects I did when I used them for the very first time. I think the very excessive, first time effects involved my own body trying to find homeostasis.
I don’t think it is possible to train to completely remove the negative self-effects of pheromones. What you should be doing is understanding exactly what the negative effects of these products are for you and correct your behaviour to compensate for that.
For example, A1 makes me depressed pretty much every time in the following way: I get negative thoughts about my position socially or at work or whatever - the same negative thoughts seem to reappear every time I wear it. I also get tired when wearing it - it seems to diminish my enthusiasm to tackle tasks. So what do I do? When I am wearing the A1 and suddenly become depressed and ‘slow/mellow’, I realise that my negative thoughts are caused by this mone and things will get better when I wash it off. However I need to keep the A1 on to keep this woman from getting aggressive at me or to keep on her good side as there has been a lot of tension between us and she is my bossy flatmate! I also might take a mild stimulant (say a tea or a vitamin B complex) to get me through tasks that need to be done if I am tired from the A1.
Same thing with -None. I realise I am snappy and aggressive because I am wearing -None so I make a major conscious effort to smile more and be more patient and respectful of people.
By the way you should wash these mones off that cause negative self-effects as soon as they are not needed. Don’t wake up in the middle of the night with A1 depression.
Michael, your speech there was great. I think you’ve got potential as a lecturer on the subject.
It always amazes me how many people fail for no other reason than they insist that they have to. Once you start seeing the way things really are - that you and you alone create your reality through the choices you make first and foremost in what you choose to believe - you start realizing that failure is a choice, and a ridiculous one at that.
When it finally hit me that beliefs generate actions, I started working to change my belief system, and everything did a 180. The thing that kills me the most is that I have watched myself change for the better, my life improve over and over, to the point that even I have a hard time believing what I see now… it’s like living a dream come true - but my ex girlfriend is still hell-bent on negative thinking and failure, and she works so hard to so even the simplest things. If she would simply start thinking in terms of success, instead of failure, she would be able to drop that 500 pound lead weight she’s dragging around behind her. But she won’t, because she enjoys whining and bitching and complaining about it too much. An my family is almost as bad.
Yet, nobody believes me when I tell them that this is all happening for me because I decided to start thinking in terms of imminent success instead of imminent failure, as they all do.
As for my skills with interaction with women, I am not the type to just walk over and say hello to most women. I kind of downplay a first meeting, try to aim for being playful and fun, but not giving any indication of wuss or PUA. I can’t just see a woman and decide I want to sex her. I have to get to know her first. Is she smart enough? Is she confident enough? I don’t care what she looks like, an insecure blonde bombshell, or a redheaded idiot goddess, I’m not interested. So my first meeting is very rarely aimed at getting in her pants. That only happens if there is a mutual, instant sexual rapport, and that happens about once every 7-8 years.
My thing is to be playful and have fun, not really caring if it goes anywhere. I am there to enjoy myself and learn from the experience while I’m at it. I don’t care if I land her, or bed her, or even see her again. I’m just going to have fun. That attitude really has some great effects. First, it lets me be my “best self”, not a script. Second, it says to her that I’m not interested that way, but I would enjoy having fun with her. What woman doesn’t want to have fun? Thirdly, it takes the pressure off both of us. If it’s just a game, and it doesn’t matter, who’s going to feel pressured?
And you know what? It works like magic. When you stop making them feel like the target of the heatseeker in your pants, they relax. And when you play with them, they have fun. And when you don’t care if you “bed them”, they wonder why. And then they start to pursue YOU.
That’s just my take. Be always happy enjoying the moment, and be always glad to have more friends. The rest will take care of itself.
So do you find the effects on other people are less now than when you first used them? If so (and I do think that is the case), what is going on here? Mones -> your own mental state (limbic circuitry - social dominance etc) -> demeanour, body language, energy?
No, I was referring to self-effects only. The acute effects on others are as strong as ever with these two.
The most profound self-effects I get to any new pheromone are usually on the first 10 exposures or so.
If I don’t use A1 or -none for awhile, I still do quite a pronounced self-effect… but as intense as my own response is, it’s still not as dramatic as my my very first exposure to commercial levels of A1 or -none many years ago.
It’s just biological memory, a bit like riding a bike. No matter how hard you try, you can’t quite replicate the time when you didn’t know how to ride at all. (unless something severe happens to your neurology – stroke, etc.)
Again, though, -none and A1 are as dramatic as ever on others. While there may be aspects that are diminished, I don’t notice them, because they’re overwhelmed by the overt responses.
Pheromones may create so-called “subtle” changes, but the changes from -none and A1 are definitely the least subtle of the lot. Even brutal, in the case of androstenone or the way A1 affects some men. They’re definitely “Hammer & Nail” type pheromones, not the miniature scale screwdriver type.
On the other hand, there are “softer” pheromones where I know that behavioral loops are definitely playing a part.
A314, for instance, makes me act in a much more confident, commanding manner. One friend of mine always comment on how powerful my body language is when I’m using it.
Then there’s something like Molecule A (used in Instant Shine).
When I first used this one, I had a dramatic self-response. I was a strong responder for about two months (until, interestingly, I got a cold – then I never responded quite as strongly again). For those first months, I felt elated and extremely self-confident. Just glad to be alive. Sort of like a “joy pheromone”.
However, I didn’t notice much from other people. Wingmen and pivots could tell an enormous difference, however, and I’d even fight them over what they were reporting (“Are you sure? Man I feel great, but I sure don’t see what you’re talking about!”).
I’ve seen this happen to others, too. “I feel great, but I don’t know if it’s doing anything the people around me”.
It seems that the more people self-respond to Molecule A or Instant Shine, the less they seem to notice from others. But those who aren’t very self-responsive from A seem to notice the effects on others much more.
The feeling of “outcome independence” Molecule A gives some responders seems to carry with it the unfortunate negative that it can make you oblivious to what’s going on around you socially. (part of the reason it increases social confidence in some people)
As it make you feel so good, you focus goes more inward and dissociate from both positive and negative external feedback.
So it’s a double edge sword. You might feel great, and be more expressive because you’re less worried about (and indeed, less tuned into) social responses, but not be able to personally recognize the positive effect this is having on others.
A “damn, I feel great… may the peanut gallery be damned!” type of effect.
I describe this in the Shine description by simply saying that it can give some users an “aloof” type of confidence. Aloof confidence itself can be attractive, being aloof carries positives as well as negatives.
I think it’s ultimately a plus sum game, though. You’re feeling good at the same time you’re perhaps a little socially oblivious. Most self-responders seem to act out in a very positive manner while under the influence of Molecule A.
This is quite unlike alcohol, where some people’s decreased social awareness makes them act out in an antisocial manner. (the “mean” drunk)
