My post pheromone self... game as instinct training ?

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Fine and well… there was a phase not too long ago where something indefinite began to shift in the way I was relating to people, the pheromone experiments appeared to allow my brain to wire in new social circuits in ways I hadn’t appreciated, and even now do not understand…

That said, WTF ? Throughout the day it is like women just start talking to me out of the blue and STICK to me… older, younger, straight, gay… and I’m not wearing any pheromone, cologne, or “social signifier” that says… well… whatever…

Like, por ejemplo, walking down Bleeker street and this chick is trying to wrassle up customers to the comedy club, and we banter for no more than three seconds and she starts walking along with me, pressed into my side like a long lost girlfriend, and she wants to keep talking for, mmm, two blocks ? Errrr… never met this chick, never laid eyes on her… I’m not in PUA mode, I want to get home and eat raw almonds and read about the Authoritarin Personality and take a hot bath… YoooKay…

Hot older dyke wants to talk about body language, younger bored girls want to talk about the south pacific…

What does it all mean, Sherlock ? I deduce that over time the pheromones had unconsciously got me into novel behavior patterns that are either too gnereral, too subtle, too nuanced… such as they can’t be easily written down or put in instructional form… and slowly but surely these attiitudes-behaviors-thought patterns began to fuse into a personal social style...

So here’s one (more) vote for the theory that pheromones in conjunction with other behavior changing processes, learning tools, etc… actually act as “game skill development catalysts”… where eventually the pheromone might be a nice extra nudge while the real work has taken place in the mind of the user ? :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

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…what?

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OK.. I’lll repeat that… the real work has taken place in the mind of the user… who is the one exposed to the highest concentrations… the user, or wearer, has about 90% unconsciousness of how he (or) she is perceived by other people. Most have no idea how others see them, or really feel about them. Most behavior is unconscious, automatic pattern... and the best psychology theory tells us that the personality is strongly established before 5 years of age… and then it changes slowly, with difficulty…

Sooo.. what this also reveals is those people who are succesfull with others, either gettting good partners, or business, or whatever, probably were exposed to successful child rearing patterns which set these skills in place before there was any self consciousness…

What I believe pheromones are (partially) capable of doing is softening some of the rigid or deeply set internal structures so one can become flexible again and learn new relating patterns, assuming one is so motivated, and by practicing them over and over one is given a second chance at behavioral self patterning… so low success or frustration can change into high success or social ease…

At which point the pheromone is nice, however the success comes from deep level personal change… either of attitudes towards others or attitudes towards oneself, or expectations of how others might perceive us, or how we expect them to react to us…

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I would be interested in which pheromones you think have an accelerating effect on the softening of the wearer’s neural patterning.

I believe I felt a bit of that when I was playing with P88 last summer, but it was hard for me to quantify how much effect it has because I wasn’t doing brain change in isolation. I was playing around with a light/sound machine and some other complimentary technologies as the same time.

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I’ll keep it short but you have achieved an ego observing ability.. Your now cognizent of yourself. you can step out side the situation and look at yourself while its happening. a great level to be at… your able to notice yourself as other’s notice you, Pheremones are rewiring inner core, I too believe… Ive tried it with booze the last 20 years with no results. adaptation of the mind and body

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I also just found i can not simply put it into words!

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I’m sorry Chadwick, but you tried it with booze? Is that a joke I didn’t get or you had something else in mind when you said that?

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Pre-phero i tried to achieve were i am at now, with booze. booze for me equals what i thought was a good time, confident,simple,focused,alert,etcWhen sober those actions would not stay.. Now pheros vs naked I have an inner voice/feeling residual effect still inside somehow letting me exude a better me? maybe like an anti depressant without taking anything. no roller coaster effect, naked is not so bad now… see you at the saloon

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Brilliant! It’s a theory I’ve had too. Repeated positive hits just HAVE to affect your psychology and neurology to the point where your behavior changes by default.

I think there is a danger in pheromone use in that people may rely too much on the pheromones being the reason they’re able to positively interact with people, and thus become hooked. Of course, with respect to Androtics’ business, I would certainly hope people continue to buy. I know I will. Still, I would also hope that folks here who use mones as compensation for a lack of interpersonal relations skills would take advantage of that new confidence , esteem, and sense of power over their destiny that the pheromones have allowed them to feel and integrate it into the “whole person”, rather than let it live as a chemical compound in a spray bottle.

I always enjoy reading your posts, tacitus. Reps to you. :slight_smile:

-D4

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Looks like my next reading project is The Dependent Personality by Robert Bornstein… one might begin to think that certain personality types (the Dependent type is sort of an amped up Oral-Passive who had, ummmm, “issues” with rebellion, autonomy, and parent-child differentiation) will naturally fall into dependency relationships with just about anything… including pheromones as The Answer… often the human-human relationship dynamics will have a closed in, energy sucking need… suffocating cuddly dreams of big down comforters and heaping plates of chocolate chip cookies (sinfully rich!) and cozy, cozy, cozy… one wonders about the natural audience for all those foodie lyfestyle publications, tankards of foamy beer, puttering around in big sheet steel uteruses called SUVs, while suck, suck, sucking on a 64 ounce Pineapple-Vanilla-Strawberry-Frostee Frappe and much, munch, munching on a nice big greasy Big Boy (eeeewwwwww… )…

Needless to say, the same dynamics can be turned loose on the playground of the psyche known as Pheromones… making them RESPONSIBLE… you know the drill… something out there MADE ME do something… those Big Boys MADE ME eat them ! That booze MADE ME drink it by… well.. by being so irresistible I just had to… pass out in the stall with my head between my legs…

This may be counterintuitive as all hell, but I think Pheromones combined with the right mindset actually increase one’s awareness, and as a result they increase one’s SELF AGENCY (taking appropriate and self reflective responsibility for one’s state of being)… because they may loosen the set-in-epoxy early socializations enough that one can step aside and inquire, WHY did I believe it was necessary to think (about myself, about my social connections, about the way the world in general is put together) like that ?

This may explain why some people appear to have moments of existential shock when a basically inauthentic, rigid, contrived, artificial, or other form of psycho-bullshit identity suddenly experiences the fresh, liberating air of real emotion…

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Cookies and beer deliver their satisfying action with no value addition by the consumer. One must add value to a pheromone in order for it to satisfy the user. Isn’t that work what delivers the increase in “self agency”? I’m not trying to argue, just asking you to clarify. Thanks for your enjoyable thoughts by the way.

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Well put, wise old cactus. Your wrinkles belie your knowledge. To understand behavioral psychology, I think, is to truly understand what it is to be human. Reps to you.

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Also how to we pheromone wearers improve ourselves in the handling of break-ups… are we handling them better than others, with less emotional damage/baggage ?

I would think so..

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The take home goodie lesson is that one should understand what oral-dependency IS… as a life shaping character trait that is programmed in early and has consequences... my mentioning “foodie” culture was to point at the deep oral-dependency programmming very basic in american (and more so with every year… out to global consumer culture) attitudes…

The Shrinx of the world (the people you/we pay good money to straighten us out and send us merrily on our way) have connected the dots…

The dots in question are the relations of links deep in our unconscious minds between safety, identity, nurturance, obedience, the way our primary connections form and are maintained, and how we stuff our faces on a regular basis…

Thus… early experiences with food, how we are fed, the sorts of stuff we are fed slowly generalize into “global attitudes” about how we relate to romantic interests (what we carry around as an inner model of a nurturing relationship), how we consume information… can’t help but notice that much of the information we consume is strongly geared to oral-dependent psychology… i.e. over simplified baby food or crispy sweet snacks, nothing that requires too much chewing or strong digestive enzymes, please… we bore easily, you must understand…

Well, well… how do pheromones fit in with all these breast feeding issues ? Orals, you see, even in big guys, are what they call the “unreflective, good time Charlie” personality… yee haw, spring break dude,
lotsa nachos and tits (hmmmmm saith the freudians… ) that many a glorious young femme has learned to be oh so wary around… because the oral can go from the ego-syntonic party hearty state to the collapsed, ego-dystonic state of desperate neediness, blubbery sob fests when she changes her mind, huggy snuggly clingy demand for nipple, for nacho, for brewski… and orally fixated women ? Don’t get me started, especially those goddam oral expulsive types that yammer on incessantly about the most trivial ass shite, sending their plate back to the kitchen three times because the shrimp isn’t just so… and home again home again jiggety jig to settle in to some serious TV viewing (“her” show, the one she “has to” watch… or she’ll get cranky… orals are famous for getting cranky… frustrated orals are in sort of a permanent low grade stew about all their irritiations, like they have fiberglass insualtion particles under their clothes… nothing a nice tub of Ben and Jerry’s won’t fix, for about 2 hours until the insulin shock wears off)…

Enter the Sherriff… some get down bad ass pheromone mix that cuts through the crap like Drano through bacon grease. Wham bam… real emotion… direct contact… all the buffers and cushy stuffy goo goo out of the way.. let’s get real baby, talk truth, quit the act and be the resolved state… holy mother of mike ! Saying what you mean and meaning what you say… coming from the gut for once instead of dancing around the fat layers… breathtaking, shocking… you know it’s hard… hard as all get out to be real, undefended… not have a whole heap of defense mechanisms to numb the feelings… heck, a lot of people are scared shitless of real emotion… it is so anti-ritualistic… so anti-compuslive… so anti-fraudulent… so freaking liberating, so refreshing, so ballsy and simple… therefore so feared. :wink:

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Oral fixation and social defense barriers, interesting concepts. Oh, and I’ve never equated nachos with breastfeeding, well done. Any other of my vices you’d like to ruin with Freudian psychology ?

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I first thought it was about fixation on oral sex actually .. :slight_smile: very freudian of me I guess..

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Oral sex… Freudian… Let’s just PLEASE keep our mothers out of this, mmkay? <shiver>

-D4

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Heh… don’t get me started on social masochism…

All ye Playas must know the basic point: there is “the game”… as in a rather narrow focus subculture doing its best with an fairly limited theoretical toolset… and then there is The Game… the big time, megabucks, play for keeps Great Kahuna game… annnd, if you want to score off the Real Game, in this day and age, you have to know psychodynamics backwards… kid you not, Roscoe… mmmmm… you’ll notice that the business book sections don’t go into psychodynamics ? It’s not like this stuff isn’t well known and utterly essential to high level success, it’s more like it is too important a subject to speak freely about among the SheepFolk…

You can’t consider a marketing campaign, product development, making a movie or televsion programming, politics, opening a restaurant franchise, getting over on the collective of humanity in any way, shape or form without a highly refined knowledge of personality structure and psychodynamic function… why izzat ? Because, mon grasshopper, those with billions who have an abiding desire to turn them into deca-billions or centi-billions KNOW… the money is in reflexive, unconscious responses to carefully shaped stimuli… the money is NOT in rational argumentation as to why you should compare nutritional content statements about the level of reprocessed beef tallow in that yummy pizza crust… :open_mouth:

Like, you think any emotionally activating, emotionally charged television show is that way by accident ? You think Fox News hasn’t studied PPD (paranoid personality disorder) and the Authoritarian Personality style under the equivalent or an electron microscope ?.. and every tiny tweak, every nuance they can play around with is inteneded, on multiple levels, to be emotionally triggering to every unconscious hot button these personality styles are encrusted with ?

Not to single out such fine minds as those responsible for Fox programming, as just about everything you see, hear, or read is made with a particular “psychographic” in mind, hopefully one with a lot of spending power…

See… this is how the Big Time Game works, to play whole segments of the population while convincing them that they are thinking for themselves… “we report, you decide”… uhhhh, sure… :cool:

Or, take the mushrooming of that magnificent expression of the aesthetic imagination… Reality Television… oh my, what might this be all about ? Narcissistic Personality Disorder anyone ? With a nice dollop of Oral Fixation… always eating, drinking, thrilling hoedowns of oral expulsive name callings then shniffling off to whine about it on the cell phone which is suspiciously shaped like a candy bar or a cute little turd (which brings us to another set of developmental issues)… heavens… this Narcissism has taken on a life of its own, people who will do just about fucking anything to be noticed for their ability to eat vermin… ah yes, eating vermin, well, there’s the Oral part surfacing again…

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I just experienced someone having unconscious responses like tacitus said.. it’s the classic fight or flight syndrome right?

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Well, it could be classic fear of intimacy, or a near cousin to it, emotional perfectionism… :cool: …there a lot of people, I’d guess the majority of people, who have strong irrational beliefs about what a relationship should (as in: has to, or freak out and run for the hills) look like… as if there is some kind of detailed mental checklist of each stage, what kinds of rituals, how the rituals are performed, what magical words must be said in what way at what moment, how one must fit into the family system… you must be superior to dad, or dad must be superior to you, or you must worship me, or I must worship you, or we must worship each other but God forbid we show any imperfection, weakness, need or incomplete development… some, Eric Berne and others, have referred to these deeply entrenched patterns as “life scripts”… and once you’re on board, there is a strong unconscious expectation for you to live up, or live down to, the stage directions of the life script… when people get very interesting, original, and highly self determined is when they 1, recognize that they aren’t living a life so much as their life scripts are living them, and 2, say to hell with it and begin to design their own life patterns… sometimes referred to as blowing it off and getting real…:o

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