Yea I dont know where that beta rant came from either
what does EST do? I havent seen much about it
I don’t mean to claim that any women go out with the intent to cheat on their mate with an alpha- Rarely (impossibly, I think) does anyone make a decision about who to be attracted to, but the social stereotype is that women pick the ‘bad boy’ to cheat with.
It’s not an unpopular opinion, and some google searching can reveal more information:
Half Sigma: Alpha, beta, and omega males
The article provides no sources, but a brief look at our social stereotypes can be interesting.
As for the distinction between humans an animals, I’d love to continue this topic in the lounge:
I agree with you, why work to get him to notice you again, just find another guy and do the same again and chances are he will start paying attention to you more.
Tisha, you are sooo right…Maybe I am just kidding myself, but yes, he is not the same man he used to be…
He denies seing the other woman, but I am not that stupid,I KNOW he does.
Sit and talk…pointless…he has built a wall and he just avoids at any cost talking about that.What he wants? Me to mind my buisness, take care of the children, and do not ask him questions..at some point he even told me to live MY life, and let HIM live his life…Its the children that keep him…Even if he has any ideas, he will not tell me…All he sais, everything is fine…I asked him, maybe I should just find a good friend on the side, who will fulfill my needs, and come home every day.His answer…when you will be divorced you can do that. But deep inside I almost feel like he wants that… Me…I just want to love and be loved…and I need sex, lots of it…And I also know that I can’t have another man on the side…I really have to be divorced, and have a serious relationship with somebody else to get to the point of having sex…
Before you decide he wont listen to you use IH around him. People build walls for one reason. To protect themselves from pain. IH can help let those walls come down. If he tells you to mind your own business let him know that while your still in this relationship it is your business. The moment you both made a commitment it wasn’t about just his life or your life. It became “our” life.
I know you can have a guy on the side but its clear its against your values. I am not suggesting you ever compromise those. However, You need to give it your best try which is why I suggested listing those needs and wants. Only then can you decide if this new person he has evolved into is someone you want to fight for or if its time to move on. This way you will know you tried.
Use mones to break down those walls and rebuild those connections. Then if that go’s well use the more sexual mones to reignite attraction.
Tisha
I just wanted to second Tisha’s suggestion of using IH to tear down those walls. I came here trying to find a way to change some things in a relationship I was having and I cannot believe how amazing a little IO and IH have been!
Last weekend, the IO and IH, in combination with some EST(a Tisha suggestion for my situation) made some serious progress in a relationship that many times I thought was hopeless. Before this, I thought there was no way that anything positive could come out of what was a wreck of a relationship, but now I am thinking we may make it after all! Tisha was right on about what to try! The EST is amazing, and the IH, WOW! It did work wonders! It took a couple of exposures for me to really see the effects, but once I did, it was staggering.
I hope you can gain the results you are looking for, since you really seem to want to make this work, I wish you the best! There are a lot of smart people on here with great advice, I am sure you will find what you need to know.
This is the 2nd time I asked Tisha a question and have been completely ignored. I will not make such a mistake in the future.
somechick is EST like IH/IO or like IS? What did it add to your situation?
Thanks in advance
((((Sarafina)))) <<< hugs
I’m sorry, I didnt mean to ignore you.
EST is great, it creates a more attentive accomadating atmosphere. People in general draw to you but in a relationship your man wants to be around you and …I dont want to say “take care of you” but he wants to interact with you in a caring way. It also increases affection.
AD used to sell it but since they cant use it in a mix so they stopped. I get mine from Liquid alchemy or a certain perfumery specializing in womens scents and mones which I cant name here.
I cant find your second question, did you PM it to me ?
I apologize again. I would never ignore you on purpose.
Tisha
Sarafina, I don’t think Tisha would ignore you on purpose. I don’t get that vibe from her. I think sometimes questions get lost in the thread, or she doesn’t see them because she is a very busy lady. Maybe you could try posting a thread to her, and see what happens. She was incredibly helpful to me, and I don’t even know her, so I thought that was very kind of her.
As for the EST, I don’t know a lot about pheromones yet, so I can’t give you the best answer. I found EST to be EXTREMELY bonding. so more like IO/IH, than IS. I know I read somewhere on here that it can make men very warm and fuzzy towards you. I know that isn’t the exact quote, but in my case, it made someone who was moderately affectionate into someone who wouldn’t break contact with me all night long. I practically had to peel him off of me with a crowbar! But it was awesome! It helped us to open up to each other and talk about things and feel very, very comfortable being together, when that had been difficult lately.
I loved the effects of the EST, because I know that there have been times lately that our circumstances have made him more aloof than usual. This helped bring back the amazing connection we had before things got so hard. I cannot wait to see it in action again. It is great stuff!
I hope this helps you 
, and perhaps the OP as well. Don’t give up on getting advice from Tisha! I don’t see her as the type to intentionally ignore someone.
Thank you everyone for supporting me with your advice, I cannot stress it enough to tell you HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE IT!!!
Now, I have sprayed IS, ISb, IO on me last night before my hubby came from work.Well, nothing out of the ordinary, I was trying to sit closer to him at the dinner table(make sure he enhales the pheromones)…He went to sleep, I put the children down to sleep.In the morning at around 4 am, I feel his hand on me, caressing me…Which again is not something very unusual, as it happens sometimes at this hour, he goes to work really early(sometimes work, sometimes to her)…Anyway, I am glad it happened…Is it because of the pheromones?I don’t know.Maybe.Before he left to work I sprayed on me adiitional 2 sprits of IO.Kissed me and went to work…Let’s see what happens in the evening, when he comes…I am planning on using IS and IO.
And, thank you again for supporting me, and not judging me.“You have no dignity, you are a doormat, and so on…” Nobody shoud go through such pain. And I never believed before in my life that something like that can happen to me…
I have a question for Tisha: since I could not find EST fro the moment, what would you say about Possess for Women and Passion Pheromone Attractant for Women (PPA/w) ???
Make sure you do whatever you do for the right reasons.
I can understand the choice to stay given that there are children, but make sure you are truly acting in their interest. If this was a one off thing and your husband takes his responsibility in making sure it does not happen again and you feel you can trust him, it can all heal again. If you are staying out of fear and he is actually blaming you for his infidelity, then you can ask yourself if it may not be worse for the children to stay.
The truth is, there will always be hotter, younger, sexier men and women out there. To commit to someone for life is to make the decision stop looking for a better deal and to invest in your life together. It also means taking the responsibility for your feelings and behaviour in any situation that is normally part of marriage and doing what is needed to be a good partner, keep the sexual spark alive and stay faithful.
A man who takes many business trips can prepare himself for that by coming up with ways to stay connected to his wife and handle his sexual needs while being loyal. For example, he can have sex with her before leaving home, he can masturbate and/or do phone/cyber sex with his wife. He can avoid spending time alone with other women or steer the conversation back to business. If he has strong ego needs, what has he done to become more self reliant and less dependent on compliments from strange women? Why did he instead choose to cheat and what is his plan to make better choices next time? He who fails to plan, plans to fail.
I have plenty of sexual appetite but I have been celibate for years, so I know how powerful a strong will is.
First I urge you to remove the link to the other forum. I dont want you to get in trouble. I have been around the mone world a long long time so just say the name and I ususally can figure out which store and product your talking about
PPA is pretty weak. Works best for women in there 20’s. If your older then that then you want to use the “big guns” EOW from love scent It’s cops and anol. You have anol in your IO and IH.
Possess for women from LA is a pretty good product. I like all his mixes over there.
Tish
sorry for lashing out. I just felt perhaps it was being done on purpose espcially when the first one was asked i her journal. My apologies ad yes Ive learned tons from her posts
Im gona look into getting EST. why would AD stop selling such..its like they dont want business from women..
So, here it goes…Last night I used ISb, IH.During the day I used IS.My little son was all over me hugging me, smelling, was litterally glued to me.Yes, he loves me, but last nighi it seemed a little too much.My husband…well, he is very hard to read, but there was something there…can’t really put my finger on it…My father in law, however, was really influenced by the pheros, I was acting strangely…it was almost like he was flirting with me, in a good way.Today I used at work IS and IO.Can’t say much, as I normally get a lot of attention from men, as for the students, I always get compliments of how pretty I am, or that they like the color of my hair(reddish).So nothing out of the extraordinary…I have ordered EST, so I am waiting for it, and also additional ISb IS and IH. I figured I need to use them for at least a month, to really see the results.
I know, I found it. I feel so bad. I really didnt mean to ignore you. I did it to P51 and Steves post to. I dont visit my journal regularly, I’m not even subscribed to it. I really am sorry and I did finally respond.
Well Est was patented by Erox and the patent is good till March of 2012 so they only sold it as a single putative. They stopped because they couldnt use it in a mix and since mixing and researching new mixes is mainly what they do they decided to not carry it or A1 which is also patented and spend the money on molecules they could use in a mix.
I do have to agree though it doesnt really seem like they are into there women customers anymore. They used to be. We had tons of mixes and lots of positive reports on them. I dont know what happened.
Tisha
LULZ Mob! bahahahaha
Does that mean that next yeat, EST and A1 might be back? 
It’s not that long til 2012… too bad we’ll only have a year before the end of the world… (well, according to those Mayan Dudes anyhow…) 
I still don’t get how someone can patent a synthetic version of a human molecule 
Technically they cant LOL. They patented it used in a scented pheromone mix, not as a single molecule so other companies are not supposed to use it in a mix with a cover.
AD used to sell IFM (A1) anyways in a herbal carrier which was sort of riding the fine line of the patent. It wasnt a cover. They discontinued it though for a few reasons they listed. The patent, it caused a down feeling in a small percentage of men when over used (which I dont agree with and can happen with other molecules as well) and they couldnt use it in anything else.
I dont know what they plan to do once the patent is over with. I know they have been working on alternatives but it doesnt even come close from what I heard.
Tish
I’ve been looking for EST for sometime now (heard lots of positive things about it!) but I can’t seem to find it anywhere! By any chance is it called something different on Liquid Alchemy?! I’m completely baffled by this mysterious product!!! Or am I just missing it!