Sorry guys, this is a bit long, but please hang in there, this is really important to me.
Well, as some of you probably red my last few posts, I have this girl that I really like at my work.
I can’t stop thinking about her. She is giving me all kinds of mixed signs, so I tried making a jealousy plot line, telling her I am dating an older girl. This did work for some time, she started asking questions, showing as if she was not that interested and happy for me.
After a while she tried to trick someone that we are together, and after that I came to her and laughed about it, and she said “yeah, BFF (best friends for ever)”, and then told me that she actually was seeing someone that looks amazing and wants me to tell her what I think about him. Keep in mind that a few hours earlier she was telling me about how all her friends have boy fiends and she doesn’t. She also was very hype when she told me about this guy, and my first impression was that she was trying to make me jealous, and even made the whole story up. After awhile I think I heard her talking to this dude on the phone, so I don’t really know what to think (sounded very flirty, and she didn’t know I was next to her, so it was not on purpose).
In the beginning of this week she was showing me good sings, and paying attention to things that I say to other people, but for some reason, she started to kind of ignore me/not look at me after she told me about the guy that she was dating. All in all, the end of the weak was not good sings at all. Not going on with conversations when I come and sit next to her for example.
So after all these games, I decided that I won’t get anywhere unless I just tell her that I like her. I was thinking something like this - Telling her about my date with the girl that I went out with and that I decided not to continue dating her because she didn’t really interest me, and the main reason, is because I have been thinking a bit and I kind of like her (the girl that I want) and if she wants too, we can’t go out sometime.
My question is, what pheromones should I use for this? And do you have any tips for me?
Thanks,
Ps. I am out of ISHINE, so can’t put that on.
P.s.s I have: AMMO, A314, IO (verry little left), IH, IFM, TUTH, CTTM2
Why is it so hard to just say you like her and ask her out? That doesn’t have much to do with pheromones at all…
now if I were in your shoes, I would use pheromones to help with confidence. I would use IO to help with comminucation and IH to help with honesty/intimacy. And IShine to make her feel good around me and want to be close. Some guys find that a stiff shot of androstenone makes them more confident, so that and maybe some androsterone would probably go in also. In fact I seem to recall feeling a lot of confidence while wearing something much like this that had P79 and P83 in it as well…
Then again… Mecca has a good suggestion too. But for confidence I usually get a better kick from TUTH and A314.
Well, it’s not that hard for me to tell her, but, we do work at the same place, so it will be awkward if she sais no. and I have a bad feeling about this, this past week was not good at all – before this week I was getting all kinds of good signs though, like, “wow your sexy/handsome”.
Anyway, until now all the girls (I am very picky, so about 4 until now) I asked out didn’t want too, so yes, I am a bit nervous.
And apart from all this, there were a lot of games, that maybe only I saw them as she liking me, and she actually just looks at me as a friend, or even a weirdo (she sais to me sometimes that I am wired.. I can’t tell if she is laughing or not).
I am 19 years old (and so is she), so won’t TUTH be OD? I have found that whenever I put TUTH I do not get good effects from girls my age (even with one TOGO spray), and I attract older girls.
I was thinking more of something like this: 1 AMMO, 1 A314, 2 IFM, and IH/IO/CTTM2. I have ran out of ISHINE!!! Is thee any substitute?
A woman I was in love with got married a few months ago and it was hard to deal with. What I noticed when I took A314 is that I didn’t care anymore about her due to the self effects. ie, I was more able to realize all of the shortcomings she had and why it wouldn’t work. I don’t know if you’d get the same effects though, but for me A314 made me more self confident, but it made me confident to the point where I didn’t feel the need to approach or be attached to anyone.
Point 1: It sounds like she was giving you IOIs and YOU TOLD HER YOU WERE UNAVAILABLE.
Point 2: It sounds like she was giving you IOIs and YOU DID NOT RETURN THEM.
Point 3: If you use A314 every day, you will have acclimated to the self effects and you won’t notice them.
So it sounds to me like you may have blown your chance with this girl because you didn’t man up and say, “Hey, you know, I think you’re pretty cool. Wanna go do something tonight? Movie maybe?” Pheromones make a poor save when she has concluded you’re not interested because you effectively told her you are not interested or available…
So here’s what you do.
Put a drop of A314 on your chin. Spray a couple shots of ammo and a couple shots of IO on your neck. Then put the damned pheromones down and GO SAY YOU LIKE HER.
Forget TUTH. You don’t even have to wear pheromones… that’s to help you with your anxiety. Just go talk to her. Tell her the truth. Tell her she’s so attractive that she intimidates you… and ask her if she would like to go out some time.
Believe me, I know how scary it can be. I have been there. So scared I was physically shaking, on occasion. Hot women can be intimidating. But when you get nervous… remember this:
She is no different than you - except for boobs and puss. She is JUST a person. JUST a woman. and I guarantee you she wishes you had enough balls to talk to her. So grow a pair and go talk to her, dammit, or you’ll be regretting all the times you blew it when you get older. I speak from experience on that one.
TUTH for your/our age-ish needs to be 1/2 spray and no more. 1/2 does very well in my experience.
Thinking about which pheros to use for this would be my last concern. My first concern would be where I lost my balls. You’ve dragged this out and engaged in game playing…if you’ve lost this chick it’s cause you messed around. The only thing that helps with this is to do it, and do it a lot cause with all things cutting the crap takes practice. It’s a mental thing. Don’t even worry about the pheros, practice, in front of the mirror, or whatever actually doing it and do it. The mirror works great for practicing getting good with girls cause you can see your manerisms and analyze what you say for adjustment, video camera even better. Pheros help…thats all…like some people say on here they are 10%. Not trying to be mean or a dick just giving you straight up advice from the heart. Good luck.
I agree with Catlord, you just never know, it is the hot ones who get hit on a lot and like a unique angle. The “you are so attractive it is a bit intimidating” says, I see you as too good for me, but I enjoy good things and feel I am worthy of them, I like you, and it is taking a lot for me to come do this, therefore I am speaking truth and from the heart with feeling and no ill will or wrongful intention.
Point 1: It sounds like she was giving you IOIs and YOU TOLD HER YOU WERE UNAVAILABLE. - I put this jealousy plot only after some time she was ignoring me, witch made ether give some more attention to me afterwards.
Point 2: It sounds like she was giving you IOIs and YOU DID NOT RETURN THEM - true, I was trying to play it hard to get, I am really bad with these things, don’t know how to push things forward.
Yes, it is true, I am almost positive that she would have said yes before. I will ask her on Sunday, but the thing is, if she will say yes, I wont be able o go out with her only for 2 more weeks (we are both in the army), but on the other hand, I do not want to drag this any longer. So yes, I will just say that I have been thinking, and she looks really cool to me, and if she wants to go out and meet sometime.
Anyway, do you think I fucked it up completely? Or do I still have a chance?
This is a very tricky situation because you are too into her for this stage of the courtship and it’s very likely that she knows this. Also, I’d handle this more conservatively than if she didn’t work where you work.
Personally, I’d invite her to hang out with you on a Saturday afternoon and do something fun like visit a museum or go bowling. Then put the pheromones on that Catlord recommended. Then try to keep your head and look for a cluster of IOIs. If you do get the cluster that is the time to make your move. If not, then give up and find another woman who doesn’t work where you work.
There is a very simple two part rule when it comes to dealing with women, which I have found works ASTOUNDINGLY well when dealing with women.
Just be direct and honest.
Have the balls to act on #1.
You would not believe the opportunities I missed because of not simply saying I was interested in someone. There was this girl I went to high school with, and her name back then was Rachel Yount. She was such a stunningly beautiful vision of goddess-ness to me that I literally could not handle having her know I was even looking in her direction. That’s how stunned and intimidated I was by this goddess. And she got dumped and teased and generally treated poorly by the guys she dated when I would have given anything just to be able to touch her hand. This woman has lips that make Angelina’s look sad. And her body was to die for… I haven’t seen her in a long time, but I can put money on her still being a smoking beauty.
Anyway… when I finally got up the nerve to talk to her, I was so flustered that I geeked out and blew it. And then at our 10 year re-union, I found out she was engaged and - had I said I liked her, wonder of wonders - she would have probably dated me. Imagine that.
Now I will probably never get a chance to do more than wish her well from afar, and yet there will always be a part of me that will regret that.
That’s not the only bonehead story I’ve got either. But she’s a woman I still to this day, eighteen or nineteen years later, am kicking myself for not having been able to talk to. And how can I be faulted? I was almost totally socially inept, undiagnosed chronic suicidal depressive, completely unbalanced with my brain chemistry, and hypersensitive emotionally at the time because of all that.
The simple secret is… you don’t have to go nuts. You don’t have to blow her away with Alpha Awesomeness. But you do have to tell her, in a way she understands, that you are definitively interested. And let me assure you… playing hard to get might work for the ladies… but it’s not wise for guys who aren’t already very skilled at the approach, and who have achieved a level of self mastery that you can’t have if you’re already really interested.
One thing I read in a book a long time ago… I’ll never forget it. It was called “How to make anyone fall in love with you”, by a woman named Leil Lowndes. (Lovely lady, by the way, and good book. Or was this Guerilla Dating? Not sure.) Anyway… the statement was:
“Hunters, make the first move, fast.”
Males and females have been cruelly designed to communicate in different ways, but usually, nobody ever tells them this. Women respond to direct, bold, aggressive moves and actions from men, because that is what signals a LEADER. So while you are playing hard to get thinking you’re getting her interested, what you’re really doing is saying “Where are the brakes on this train?!” Yes, you piqued her interest, but you didn’t know how to work it. She concluded you were not interested, and likely wrote you off. (Although in rare cases, you may find that being direct and honest about being taken will earn you a lady’s respect and based on that, she will wait for you to be single, if she still is at the time. I had that happen once.)
Back to the point… be direct. Be honest. Be direct. Be honest. Never lie. Never shrink from the truth. If you are only interested in having a 30-girl-gang bang, say so. Flat out. You wouldn’t believe how much that kind of balls will actually get you what you say you want. (Yes, I have had three simultaneous girlfriends who were all friends, and all sleeping with me, knowingly, and being happy about it, because they knew I was being 100% honest and they agreed to the situation of their own free will. It can happen. It’s not worth the hassle, mind you… but it can happen.)
MetalTree has a good point, though. Don’t blow up on her. Let her know you are interested. Even if it scares the shit out of you and makes you shake physically. Hey. Women are scary. We all know that. But ultimately, they are just people. And what you fear is probably not her, it is her being too good for you. As in, you feel likely to be rejected.
Got news for you. Indicaters of interest mean she’s interested. lol
When you tell her you are interested, keep it simple. Take a few moments to explain the situation from your point of view, and apologize for being a bonehead, and then ask if there’s still a chance to perhaps see eachother. That’s how I would approach it. (Of course, circumstances will dictate, and I don’t know all of the variables.)
Just keep it simple. Be direct. Be honest. But most of all… divest yourself of the worry of being rejected.
Might she reject you? Yup. You might have blown it all to hell with this one. That is okay, my brother, because you learned a valuable lesson here. God, if I was to mourn every woman I have blown it with getting to my current level of understanding… I would probably buy a gun and off myself. Shit happens. You make mistakes. It’s okay! But you can’t put all your eggs in one basket, because that basket then becomes too valuable to achieve.
Wha?
Yes, my friend, a desperate man is a single man. Having options - i.e. not being invested solely in one woman’s interest - produces interest. As you have seen.
So instead of playing hard to get, come to terms with the very real possibility of her rejection before she can reject you… and disconnect from it. It’s okay. It doesn’t matter. She’s only one of what, 3 Billion women out there? There are more where she came from, trust me.
It’s important to keep your responses balanced, too, by not being too interested… which leads to desperation and creepiness etc. Just relax. I find that it helps to presume I have a 5% chance of success and approach her as a social playmate. If we have fun, I win! If we do more than just talk, hey, it’s icing on the cake, baby. If we don’t, and she blows up in my face… well… there’s always next time.
Read what I have said here three times. Then… go forth and conquer.
This is definitely an excellent post and I agree with everything in it.
My only caveat would be to be to take a more cautious approach with a girl if the guy works with the girl because there are potential consequences beyond being rejected.
Ok, I will keep this short.
catlord, I read your post 3 times, like you said. Thank you very much, you really did help.
Tomorrow I will approach her, keep it simple, and be honest with her. Tell her that I am not going out any more with the other girl, because I am thinking about her all the time, and then ask her if she wants to go out. Simple, and direct.
I will keep you guys posted on the results (may take time since I am at the army, but i will see if I can get an internet connection..).
Great suggestion, and I can also vouch for this. A simple little mix of -none, Androsterone, with some shots of IH and IO/Spaceland will go a long way and really give you that confidence boost. Maybe even a few sprays of IS as well. However, -none, Androsterone, Alphanol, and Betanol (with perhaps more Betanol than Alphanol) would be enough. Pretty much what’s in AMMO minus the IH, so you can just wear AMMO and just add the IH to your liking!
A simple mix for getting the confidence and GO to get up and ask a girl out or just be more gutsy while still approachable.
Instant Big Balls A’ Plenty mix:
x2 sprays of IJ (or if you’re risky and CAN handle more 3 to 4 sprays not all at once though! In timed increments of maybe 4 to 6 hours with same reapplication of socials noted. Half of the socials if going for a 3rd spray or the full recommended amount of socials if going for 2 more sprays to count as 4 total, BUT by this I mean just one spray to count as three from the first original doses NOT literally 3 more or 4 more!)
2 to 3 (maybe 4 depending on how much you can handle) drops of A314
x2 sprays of mega dose Spaceland
x4 sprays of preferably IH x2 (so you won’t have to spray on so much.)
Now for you personally I don’t recommend IJ so you won’t scare her away, although the socials (especially mega dose Spaceland might buffer it pretty good.) This is just for general big ball purposes for confidence and what may work for me may not work for you, but a simple tweak of this kind of mix may work well for confidence. So instead of IJ you can replace it with either TUTH, or a good MX from the Raw Power test pack or straight 2.5 (or 5 mcg if you’re older) of straight -none from the ExperiMone series.
If you start to see people seeing you as too intimidating try adjusting the socials by adding a spray or two more of Spaceland or/and IH (or IO if no Spaceland, but Spaceland is highly recommended for this mega -none mix because of its high dose of Alpha Androstenol and ease of not having to spray too much Alphanol on.) The IH will serve as adding comfort to your persona while the high dose of Alphanol will make you approachable.
can’t put that on.