Can you detect 'none visually? Well, I don’t really mean by sight - but is your attention drawn to objects by some pre-rational level process in the same way that occurs with people wearing high 'none.
Honestly, I’m beginning to realize that this whole myth about “build-up” - yes, I said “myth” …is simply getting used to the self-effects, which cause you to become super-aware of the reactions of others…and thus, the day after you think the effects are still there but they’re really not…it’s just you being overly observant.
I doubt build-up is really anything at all. The day before yesterday I had put on 6 sprays of Ammo, and yesterday I had used 4 sprays. Today I took a shower and put on 1 spray of Ammo and 1 spray of CTTM. Results were amazing. No OD effects or anything. People were friendly as ever, and if I was in the “OD mindset” like I used to be in the past I would think I was in OD hell today with all that androstenone. But quite the contrary. I got nothing negative, only positive.
And no, the CTTM wasn’t over the Ammo, it was in a completely different place. I put the Ammo on my left chest and the CTTM on my right chest.
The Ammo and NPA from the day before were all on my back and upper chest. Still didn’t feel anything like a build-up. I think a lot of the build-up is in your head. As much as I used to be all about the cleansing thing before…
Glad you feel more comfortable with things now. That said, the buildup phenomenon has been noted many many times by phero users with more expertise than you or I so I doubt it is all in one’s head. There may be some posts here by MHarris about it.
Well, yeah, I agree there can be some build-up, but it’s very small. And I also think, like alcohol, the best remedy is to give it time. On the LS forum, several users and the admin have noted that scrubbing an androstenone application spot can actually cause more diffusion. So really, when you have build-up, rather than trying to cleanse-off and apply more, just use that build-up to your advantage and balance it out with counter-acting mixes. Think you have yin build-up, spray on some yang…and vice versa…yin and yang being sexual/social pheromones..
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Well, yeah, I agree there can be some build-up, but it’s very small.
Dude - people are going to be searching for build-up and they are going to come across your post and if that’s all they see they will figure that build-up is just an issue that one just shouldn’t worry about. But the reality is your view is an evolving one and based on quite a short history and it is different from the experiences of many others here - yet you speak very categorically like you are certain buildup doesn’t matter. So maybe a little equivocation here wouldn’t be a bad thing.
Fem and chill mones can counterbalance a none OD, but that is a delicate art and the problem is that they tend to be more volatile - so that a few hours later all you are left with is scary none monster, which is only fine in very restricted circumstances.
I’m sure build up matters but personally I think giving some days off from -none is the best way to handle it. It seems to go away for me at least.
Perhaps for someone younger it might not be that way.
I sometimes use a shampoo/body wash with PEG20/60 (not sure if the name is right) as I had read it can kill androgens too..
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All I’m saying is that time is the best solution. All the cleansing and stuff won’t make a significant difference. Giving it time is the best solution.
What I do now is I just take the weekends off. I don’t apply anything on the weekends so I know I have a clean slate to work with come Monday. Monday through Friday I play around with whatever. Sat/Sun I take off. I usually stay home those days and do work or home stuff whatever.
I just think after trying all the different cleansing methods…TIME is the best. I guarantee you it works better than anything.
I agree and think it’s more natural too…
Funny the day after I last used a lot of -none, I didn’t seem to get any -none reactions, seems like it fizzled away for me.. I thought some would still be there…