I’ve been using a spin on the mystery method for years. I wanted more of an edge at the dating scene. I had several experiences just standing at a bar, sipping on my brewski and getting opened and picked by chicks without mones. I think it’s time I up my game. My current demographic consists of Asian women (Korean, Japanese, and Chinese) in their early-mid 20s.
Any leads on which mones to start off with would be most appreciated.
I am thinking of starting off with A314 as a base, and Instant Honestly as a second layer.
Also, some advice on small talk when it comes to women. I just get bored and can’t think of any small talk besides the generic (what do you do, career, job, blah blah blah, what are your hobbies, etc.)
Are you Asian? If so you need more mones than most, your natural signature is low.
IH gives a deeper connection. A314 can repel some, it makes shy girls even more shy, which makes your demographic more difficult.
I would try Instant Gentleman, Instant Shine, and Instant Openess for younger women. If you enjoy the club scene, Summer Ammo just came out and is a sexual mone mixed with Instant Shine, a social that makes you look young and ready to go.
Talking to women? Multi-thread during attraction. Jup topic to topic, and do not let her catch-up For example:
“I love traveling. Do you? I just went to Italy, it was very nice and they had great food. Their pizza was out of this world.”
Her: “You went to Italy?”
Your: “Thats was 30 seconds ago, keep up. We are talking about pizza. I love green peppers.”
After this point you can go back to what she wanted to talk about, Italy, then jump ship when she attempts to talk about it.
The more topics you string out, the more you stand out (Spike attraction in the M3 model) and you also build conversation fodder, you also toss in DHV’s as you can thread in things you have done or like to do which is fantastic.
When she goes generic conversation topics, remember its the same stuff she asks every guy. You can give a silly answer (Whats your job? I am a fireman stripper) or you can mis-intrepite the question and answer what you would like.
Example:
“What do you do for a living?”
“No I wont be your boyfriend! You must take me to dinner three times before I will go steady with you.”
Remember to re-direct when possible. You dont need to answer a question that doesnt progress the model.
Once attraction spikes once, you are done, move to qualify. A lot of guys make the mistake of pumping the attraction, and when you do you can lose it. So you can go into comfort and ask/answer honest questions.
The key to this is to ask sincere questions that you really want the answer to. Project good tonality, have good body language, and the questions will hook as a qualifier.
If she ever nods off, you then revert to a question, sincerely, about what she does for a living. But a question can be something simple like a question about an item of clothing you mentioned in your opener.
I can keep going, but mate, for conversational skills, its best to look at it like this, dont care. Normally its not that you get bored, its you ru out of fu things to say. Dont put that pressure on. You are the fun guy in attraction, in qualification you are the deep guy who connects with her. It does not need to be a deep statement or honest question, just sincere. That is a true connection.
I’m half British, Korean. I think my natural signature is moderate.
I already repel quite a bit of women, most of them can’t stare me straight into my eyes (asian ladies in their early-mid 20s)
The late 20s and early 30s is where I’m having problems.
There’s this cafe I frequent; there’s an Asian lady around early 30s. BEAUTIFUL gal. She’s been giving me IOI’s that I have yet to follow up on.
IOI examples: bending over right in front of me, staring at me, being in proximity eavesdropping on my conversation.
I’m working on an opener for her. I think she is the owner of the cafe and it doesn’t have a website just yet. So, I will build one for her and introduce myself that way. =D
When it comes to controlling and directing the conversation I have no problems. But when it comes to certain topics that these girls have generally an interest in; i just get bored.
Example: horse riding…
I’ve already did research in the most generic areas women are interested in such as; clothing, shopping, skin care, exercising, and korean drama (kdrama = asian women’s pornography).
I’m the type just like you to control and direct the conversation, but from the feedback I get from my jealous peeps; I need to tone it down a bit.
So, instead of giving the initiative I would like to sit back and listen, but of course give positive input to the topic. and take less heat from people.
Oh and for myself; I always plan an exit strategy before she nods off.
example: cockyfunny “oh snap, I forgot to water my plants, they’re going to be so mad at me” then number close and walk away =D
I like to isolate what their passion is and exploit it. Usually by being knowledgeable in it/or being completely oblivious to that particular area. Many Korean women like to be very controlling, and aggressive.
When it comes to repeling; I don’t mind weeding out the ones with low confidence or does it hinder confidence women sparking up a conversation with me as well?
As for the club scene and nightlife; what were your +A game set for Asian women?
I picked out a perfect cologne through rigorious trials and errors for the bar I frequent, and now I get compliments everytime.
They tend not to like Musky, strong odors, but rather more feminine colognes like "aqua"ish
Any suggesttions would be appreciated.
For Asian ladies, A314 tends to work well. Its the cultural high respect vibe which is huge.
For blowing out lower confidence girls around alpha women, it can raise social proof if they show interest in you. You become the selector, great trait. The catch-22 is if they are introverted, you open, then eject you do not appear to be the selector but a dick, and turn all ladies off.
Onto topics. The M3 model is straight foreword. If you ask Mystery, Savoy, or Brad what the most important part of early game is, they would respond with be talkative. If you ask a girl what you spoke about when you first met, they will not remember 99% of the time. Your opener does not matter, your conversation threads do not matter.,
Passion in topics is a late game thing. Comfort or in a relationship. M3 is a PUA system of same day lays. You put in 7 - 9 hours at once and get a lay. You do not go deeper into these topics.
It has been modified and expanded to work longer, especially the Love Systems method with Savoy. That in mind, it still does not matter what you talk about.
Horse Riding is an impersonal topic. Just like you progress with touch, you do with your conversation. You start impersonal topics. This is horse riding, gossip, opener subjects, ect.
You then dip into personal subjects. So what city she is from, how many siblings, family life, ect.
Finally, you go into personal-sexual. This is direct conversation about sex, where she has had sex, her best sex story, ect.
You never ramp backwards. In a club, you move quickly into personal and then to sexual as your goal is to pick up the woman that night. Its just wit touching. Once hand touching is ok, you do not go for the make out and then pull back t shake her hand to say goodbye, it makes no sense.
Your friends are giving you bad advice in a few specific situations. If she would re-engage if you stop talking, then you can keep talking, if not, you need attraction or are entertaining.
For example, if you stop talking and she looks around the room, she is not interested. You need attraction and a hook point. Throw in cocky and funny (You are the most beautiful woman I have seen, in this dim club) or a Cold Read (You are a brat) to anchor the conversation and interest. She normally will then engage you.
If you establish good attraction, the conversation flows into banter/vibing/comfort. It is a natural ting.
As far as the issue with exploiting passion, it can tread onto being far too logical. It screams “See I am cool, I know about what you like!” Which is try hard. Which makes you look beta and inferior. Talk about what you want to. Convey your passion. You picked the girl when you approached, she knows this. She then becomes the chooser for a moment, sure you can wade through shit tests, but she can go cold and makes this a very hard process.
If you go in and talk about what you love (I love JiuJitsu, Judo, Boxing and that sort of thing) or what you enjoy doing (I like to read history, have a degree in it) and about your life that you enjoy (I work at the Post Office) and convey passion, she is interested.
A normal conversation is like this for me:
Me: Poke on arm/tap on shoulder, “Hi, Kimba. You are?”
Her: Hi, I am Sammi. Dead Air
Me: Did you watch the olympics? USA just won their first womens Judo gold, its incredible. I love that sport it is very intense. What was your favorite event at the olympics?
Her: Running (Does not matter)
Me: Thats an ok sport if you like watching paint dry. Let me guess, you also like fencing. You love fencing dont you? I cant stand fencing. Why do you like it so much?
Her: I dont like fencing!
Me: Fencing, so sweetie, running. Why do you like running so much. Keep up. Is it the left turns?
Her: Anything
Me: Impressive, you are keeping up. You are a sassy thing.
Her: Anything
Me: Start comfort/vibing about what she said.
The key is, this is not canned, you stack, plow through,and just talk.
As soon as you get attraction, you make statements or ask questions about her personally, as soon as you qualify so she knows you have interest. She gives IOI, you open (An IOI), you build attraction (She gains interest), you qualify (An IOI), she will then qualify herself back.
Normally I get the number as soon as I qualify myself the first time, then go to a role play to get her back into fun land, and then make plans to do something as my close.
For my vibing/banter/comfort, I go deeper and we talk. If she initiates, I let her talk, and steer back into my passion. I enjoy being social I do flirt a bit and banter (Tease her) in this stage.
Leading in a huge attraction spike and dominance area, do not stop. Its PUA suicide.
Here is a the key, when in a qualifying position, in comfort, when she attempts to impress you, do not fake it, if you dont like it, let her know gently. But, you also let her know when she really interests you. If you love nurses and find them hot, and she says she is going to school to be a nurse, its fine to let her know that.
When you legitimize a connection its best done by stating differences. This reduces flaking.
The two of you shoot the shit a bit, you have her number, then you close. Close as in K-close, Insta-Date close, Venue Change close, something. Never just eject. Try to push the envelope.
As far as the 30 year old shop owner, this is simple. You do not do the website, that is try hard, you are treating her special when she has yet to earn it.
You do open her, its a warm approach. A situational opener is ask her an opinion on what she sells, you then disagree, and tease her on why she is wrong, and its cute. She will stick up for herself or fold. If she sticks up for herself, you hit her with a cold read. If she folds you back off a bit (Never say sorry) by giving her the chance to prove you wrong, she can buy you whatever it is she is convincing you is superior. Tease, and tease and tease.
You then tell her you never knew she was this fun/lively and demand her phone number so you can do this some other time. And you boom, done.
The biggest mistake is waiting longer. Dont think, do. As men, our heads mess us up more than help us, that is a fact.
A314 is respect in a bottle and crack for late 20’s/early 30’s girls. It is the ‘mature man’ mone. Add it to leading, she will follow.
I approach PUA one of two ways, I either have fun, or lead. During the day I lead and am direct, at night I have fun. If I am always having fun or leading, I do fantastically.
At the club I wear Hugo Boss. Its my scent. I love it, thats what matters. I do not wait for IOI’s when looking for women. If I see one it is a perk. I have fun or lead. I know I can build attraction with touch (Vin DiCarlo’s stuff is golden) or with my spoken game. I know attraction points and conversational hooks/anchors to set myself apart.
Just go for it. Be the man. If it does not work it is her loss.
Back to mones. The help you get IOI’s. I mean massive IOI’s. Girls flirting with you, opening you, starring, touching you, ect. That occurs to me about once a week. That is one sure thing with a good mix. They also make women more receptive. At a club Ammo or MX297 gets huge hits, during the day/work A314 does. That makes the rest of your approaches easier.
I look at it this way. A HB10 accepts very little or no mess-ups. A HB7 will accept a couple. A five will let you say stupid things all day as long as you give her attention. Mones allow you an extra mistake with that HB10. If you fail a shit test, she still has interest. So you very easily try again.
“what the #*|?|, no live olympics for the Korea vs Japan match!?”
turns to her " can you believe this? whoever the owner is HE doesnt know how ro keep their patrons happy, if only it was run by a woman it would be different"
*she blushed and was embarrassed
i called the waitress over to let me hook up my streaming device to the tv
long story short
insta date to a pub tonight, and im in the bathroom right now putting this post up!gotta go back out there to make more physical contact !!
will report later tonight or hopefully tomorrow morning
Mickaelia, I plan on starting a journal as soon as I get some orders in. I know I am a novice, but I would like to get started with some of the experimental mixes out there as well. As soon as I feel I’ve researched enough; zero day exploits should start =D Again thanks for welcoming me into this wonderful community.
