Nuclear Fallout: Building a Pheremone WMD

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Another reason to check-out Cohesion then - He’s doing $20-off at the moment, so that’s 10ml of an excellent A1 mix for $50 - At approx 260mcg dose (full mix) per drop it will last you for ages!

Differences, yes there are quite a few but I did effectively drop A1 for IH/P74 in mixes for a long time and I didn’t really miss the A1, plus felt all the better for it. IH/P74 isn’t quite as strong on the fallout properties and its overall tone is more comforting/bonding/close rather than A1’s yearning/dizzy-girl responses but you can drive IH/P74 in a romantic direction quite easily plus it is also very useful in professional situations, which is an added bonus you don’t get from A1.

And I would use IH/P74, not P74 by itself in mixes - Its this paring that seems to maximise the fallout properties. So again, price may be less of an issue.

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I recently went out to one of the most high value target rich venues in my city. Now that the weather was changing the women were in full effect.

I was wearing A314 (3 sprays) - IH (2 sprays) - IS (4 sprays) - Ammo (2 sprays) and it was unbelievable. On the one hand the intimidation factor was off the charts but when I opened sets the compliance was just as high it was like a pendulum.

Would the initial fallout mix work for club settings or is it best on day 2’s where we would be isolated in one-on-one scenarios?

I can’t wait to see how p83 and either A1 or p74 add to the equation…also does p74 take away any of the ‘royalty affect’ of A314?

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It needs repeated exposure, whatever the setting, so if you are looking to promote fallout, you will need to stick with the basic mix for a while around them, not just first, second or even third nights.

The only components that would need to be varied would be the sexual and maybe the IS - to suit the environment.

With that mix, I would go with the P74 rather than introducing A1 to begin with. A314/IH/P74 (with or without IS/sexual) is an excellent fallout mix but adding A1 is going to ve very, maybe overly comforting as both A1 and P74 are pretty good none moderators. I tend to use that IH/P74 or A1 interchangably and I more or less gave-up A1 in favour of IH/P74 for a long time because its a far more versatile paring.

P83 will do you well with either in a club environment but its a secondary, non-fallout component.

Also, if you are using either mix, you may want to rethink Ammo as the mix (in A314/IH/IS and A314/IH/P74 forms) is already reasonably well balanced (if rather status-high but that’s no bad thing as you have already found). You may do better with some TUTH instead, esp in clubs.

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Just an update on my use of Commander Kotov’s WMD mix; Today was the seventh day of using A314 (2 drops), A1 and P83 (25mcg). Today I went from 25mcg of A1 to 50mcg (i.e.. 2 sprays of my A1 / cologne mix).

NOW I felt depressed! I started having negative thoughts about just about everything. My target, with whom I work, asked me several times if I was OK, and said I seemed to be very self-absorbed. I was able to crack jokes with her and trade some banter, but it was hard work. Most of the time I just felt like shrugging and saying WTF.
On the other hand, the mix seems to be inducing a slow fall-out effect. She leaned on my back quite obviously while fixing some cable clips to my shirt, noticed I wasn’t wearing a vest and prodded around to confirm this, making sure I could feel her! Later, she pretended to have accidently left some marks on the back of my shirt, and spent about 5 minutes making a fuss and rubbing my back to “remove” the marks. Then she kept showing me things on her mobile phone, making sure I had to stand right beside her and lean against her to see the screen.
When I got home, I scrubbed all my application points, sprayed on a bit of Instant Shine and went jogging for 30 minutes. Felt better after a shower, but WOW, that A1 really hit me hard.
Tomorrow I will do 2 things to reduce this effect; I will go back to a single spray (25mcg), and I will apply it to my inner forearm rather than to my neck. (I wear short sleeve shirts at work). Then I will apply my Instant Shine to my neck rather than my opposite inner forearm, for greater self-effects.

I’ve got two events over the weekend that will call for a change of strategy; the first involves a first meeting with a new woman, going on a hike to a 5000 foot summit. I can’t expect my 'mones to be effective in such an outdoor situation, but I’m going to apply A314 oil because it’s long-lasting and I may get some self-effects if nothing else. And I will load up with several shots of Instant Shine for that first impression!

The second is a first communion party where there will be a lot of women as well as my workplace target. Employing the friend zone-busting tactic of being less available and mixing with other females, I can ditch the WMD fallout mix for the day, and go for something to wow the other ladies. I plan on reverting to P75 (5mcg), P74 at 30mcg (as a one-off), and 2 sprays of 2x Instant Shine. I will make a point of mixing with the other women (I know most of them in passing) and slightly “neglecting” my workplace target. OR I might just load up on P297 alone as it’s supposed to be a party!

Back to work on Tuesday, I will revert to the Commander Kotov WMD fallout mix of A314 (2 drops), A1 (25mcg) and 25mcg P83, with some back-up from Shine and Honesty.
Interesting times!
:slight_smile:

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Well, that was an interesting 4 days!

On the hike I applied 3 drops A314 and 4 sprays of Instant Shine for the meet up in the car park. Lots of respect from the others in the group, and friendly banter from the woman concerned. We had an enjoyable outing, but no “spark”, so we agreed to keep in touch, and at least I’ve made a new friend.

For the party Sunday I went with P75 (5mcg) with P74 (20mcg), P83 (25mcg) and 2 sprays of Shine. I concentrated on talking as much as I could to the other women, and tried to ignore my target from work. All the women I spoke to reacted very positively, sharing small secrets, touching my arm, giggling, and generally having a good time. The men seemed a little reserved until I spoke to them first, and then they reacted very friendly towards me too.
The hard part was trying to ignore my target. She was wearing a short dress revealing legs that seemed to go up to her armpits, and pretty much all the guys spent most of the afternoon staring at her. She simply blew all the other women away. I thought my tactic of largely ignoring her had backfired, when she didn’t seem to make much effort to come over to me.
Not so. At work today (back to the Kotov WMD mix of A314, A1 and P83), she was much more touchy-feely than usual, hugging me 3 times, touching my back and arm several times, and asking me for a drink after work. While we were having a beer, she asked about the party, and if I had liked her dress. She told me she had asked her friend if she had done something wrong, as I wasn’t speaking to her much. Her friend told her that I was probably stunned by how great she looked, which was true! I suddenly realised that the WMD mix seems to be creating a stealthy fallout; She was very keen to get me to go for a drink after work today; she asked me to go round to her new house tomorrow after work, to check some stuff, then go for a drink again; She asked me to spend the day with her on the 25th when her kids are at a swim meet; then she said I had to go to a party at her house on 8th June, and the weekend after that she wants to plan a party at my place. This seems to be where she is trying to organise both our lives to spend as much time together as possible, which I believe is one of the signs of fallout. Oh, and she said that she would wear that dress again when/if I take her to a smart restaurant that we have talked about. I think the wine waiter might have a coronary when he sees her!
I’m going to stick with A314 at 2 drops, A1 at 25mcg, and P83 at 25mcg. This seems to be building a slow but steady crush. For the meet-ups out of work I will add just 1mcg of TUTH, as recommended by monesmademedoit. This is well buffered by the A1, and the enone slides in under the radar like a cruise missile. I may also increase the P83 in any party/bar situation.
No doubt, Commander Kotov came up with an effective WMD!
One question for anyone who has read this far - should I still employ the friend-zone busting tactics of being less available for some of these potential dates? Or meet up with her as planned, just be sure to let her know subtly that I am also doing other things and seeing other women?

Kotov for President, comrades!

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It’s a 4 day weekend coming up and I am planning on going out 4 days straight. I’ll be attending a few venues that are said to be high status and this will be the perfect place to test out this fallout mix.

I have A314 both spray versions, some 2X IS, IH, P74 and P83. My question is where is the best place to apply these mones to get the maximum effect?

Also I’m looking to add a shot of TUTH from a to-go from this mix where would be the best place to apply this also?

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Read this - Plenty of app point ideas:

But don’t get too hung-up on application. So long as it has a decent blood flow and is open to the air to diffuse, its viable. :slight_smile:

And if you are going for four days, be careful of build-up. A lot of these mones are the more sticky/long-lasting/persisting variety, or break down to them, so unless you find the time for a good bath/shower and scrub-up each day, you may find your dose being thrown-off by the remains of the previous day’s application. I’ve always found it good to reduce the primaries after the second day but the likes of IS snd P83 remain constant but other guys have adopted different strategies - again several threads if you search

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Ok…first off let me say this mix is the real deal .

I went out with some of my friends wearing A314 - P74 - IH - P83 - 2x IS - TUTH

As soon as I walked in I noticed a lot more IOI’s, bouncer didn’t harass me nearly as much and in general I felt pretty damn good.

After about 15 mins in the venue I went to bathroom and when I came out I saw a few old friends with an ex of mine in tow…this was the crossroads.

Me and this girl ended on rocky terms to put it lightly; I was hearing that she was banging a few of my friends and of course there is virtually no way to really get the truth because everybody lies. I pretty much had to go on instinct and just cut it off.

We didn’t see or speak to each other for years and I had mentally prepared myself to literally never see or speak to her ever again.

Then she walked into the club yesterday and as soon as she entered my phero cloud…tractor beam effect.

From there she would not let me out of her sight…she was constantly holding my hand and putting both my arms around her…and then when we sat down she just crawled on my lap.

I wasn’t alone for more than 2 minutes tops after she knew I was in the venue

She monopolized so much of my time that my friends broke my balls mercilessly about being in love etc. they even took pictures of me and her holding hands while we were on the street; eventually they knocked it off and told me I should get back with her.

She moved out of the country for med school so that made it easier for me to push her out of my mind but now she’s back for the summer and yesterday she hinted that if ‘things work out’ she will stay here (the subtext of course being if things work out between me and her).

This is the mix to end all mixes

The down side now though is, it turns out I still have feelings for her and if we were to enter into an LTR how would that work? can you actually make it work with a girl that has hooked up with a few of your friends?

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That’s an excellent start Ace! :slight_smile:

She clearly responds to a high-value status/sexual signature - now see how the fallout builds on subsequent exposures. But leave her well alone in the meantime to help let the mix hit-home. Don’t get sucked into constant validation or long calls/text exchanges - Let her “miss you” till she sees you again. This withdrawal then reintroduction of the signature seems critical in helping things along, no matter what your feelings suggest you do.

I think you answered your own question there - You have a radically repositioned phero signature and attitude. You need to retain this for the time being and just keep things fun and noncommittal - It is now up to her to work to demonstrate to you that she is in the right place for an LTR now, not the other way round.

And if not, you need to be fully prepared, willing and able to walk away without being drawn into any fuss, mind-games, rows or recrimination between you.

And if your friends are lying to you, it might be time to disengage slightly and cultivate a new, more respectful social circle - Again, if she is up for something serious, she will be with you all the way but don’t make the mistake of getting drawn into “laying down the law” or the heart to heart stuff just yet. That can look needy and insecure - dead-cert attraction killers. Time for establishing boundaries when you re-establish trust and mutual respect. Oh and ensure you use protection etc..!

And as a matter of interest, what were your doses of each component, which version of A314 and how old is she?

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3 sprays A314b
2 sprays P74
1 spray P83 (12.5mcg)
1 spray TUTH
3 sprays IH
3 sprays 2x IS

The girl is African American, 27.

The more I think about it makes sense. Also it could be the mones helping but I don’t seem to feel any sort of neediness whatsoever.

After all I did mentally prepare to never see or speak to her ever again; even now that some feelings have surfaced, a part of me still has that caution so I can walk away no problem.

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How many mcg for your P74?

And yes, 1 spray TUTH and 12.5mcg P83 seems a decent proportion - If you go higher on the TUTH around her, you may need to go higher on the P83 as well but it is clearly working very well with the A314 in the mix - A smaller than normal amount of TUTH can turn it very sexual indeed and it may not benefit from being increased. :slight_smile:

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For P74 it’s 2 sprays at 12.5mcg. That seems a little high plus I notice that the residual effects of this particular putative seem to last longer than others so when I go out tonight I might leave it out and just go with a314 - IH - IS - P83 - TUTH. Any thoughts on this would be tremendously helpful.

Last night I took this mix out again and it was just what the Dr. ordered.

There was a point in the night when I was just standing on a stage with a few of my friends and there was a girl who was looking in my direction.

We made eye contact twice, and the second time was definitely an approach invitation.

I held I contact and walked right up to her and said “you’re not allowed to look at me like that and not say anything”

She smiled slightly and flipped her hair (IOI)…but still didn’t say anything so I turned to her friend and said “introduce me to your friend”

As it turns out she knew me, I’m pretty good friends with her brothers so as soon as she turned and saw me she smiled a big smile then she said “does she want to be introduced?” in a playful tone and with a smirk I replied “this is me we’re talking about here”

She laughed and said “T meet Ace, Ace meet T”

All of this was done while my back was turned to the target so when I turned around I saw that she was applying lip gloss while making eye contact (IOI)

I reached my hand out and she shook it timidly and I said “I’m not your grandmother” with a smile she chuckled and gripped my hand a little tighter, after that here is what the conversation looked like

A: “T do you have a boyfriend?”
T: scrunches her face and makes a ehh sort of gesture with her hand
A: “I’m going to take that as a no. There is someone that I want you to meet, he’s smart, he’s good looking, he’s funny, and he’s charming. I think you’d really like him”

As I was saying all of this I slipped my hand around her shoulder and drew her into me very subtly and she complied now her nose is only a few inches away from my app point…the kicker tho is as I was saying all of this she reached up and locked her fingers with mine. Now to people looking from a distance this appears to be a very BF/GF type of pose.

Then she said “charm is deceitful” (must be the IH bringing this out) then I replied “not when it’s done correctly”

Then before she could say anything else I took out my phone and told her to put her number in it then I turned away completely so my back was towards her I turned around and took my phone back just made casual talk with her and her friends, had her introduce me to a few more of them and then my ride was leaving so I politely excused myself.

It’s only now after typing this whole thing out that I see all the missed opportunities for escalation or even framing for callback humor but that’s okay, we have a few good friends in common so this will work out.

Regardless though it was solidly played out, and the whole thing happened in under 5 mins…I guess there really is something to be said for direct game.

Fallout mix is 2/2 so far, we’ll see how it performs tonight; I’m feeling pretty good about it :slight_smile:

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Or instead of leaving out the p74 altogether I may just scale it back to 1 spray after all the p83 enhances everything in the mix anyway…any thoughts?

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Keep the P74 but by all means scale it back to below 20mcg.

IH/IS is a fallout promoter but its not as effective as IH/P74 and you really do need to stick to your chosen mix for a while around your subject to let it take hold. Don’t go chopping and changing critical components from one encounter to the next or it won’t take hold.

Also, P83 will not be enhancing anything, especially any fallout. P83 brings its own properties/character to a mix.

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I am going to a 3 day course with people from all over my country in my field of work. Usually there is 70-80% females in these. No i was thinking this would be a perfect oportunity for me to test a combo to atract wimen on the daytime, since there wil be a nice field of them and easy to aproach. What about 2 drops of A314, 2x2 IH, 2x2 IS and 1 or 2x TUTH. since i dont have any mx or Putatives… yet :smiley:
Any thoughts. Know there will be alot of single wimen living at the hotell where it is held :smiley:

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Fallout mixes are a more specialist application of phero use that are worked over the medium/longer-term for very solid attraction building/bonding.

If you are looking for results over just three days, you would be better to look at other mix styles/threads, or start one of you own.

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Yes i get that, but i feel this would be a fun test to try out.
I have all of the Instant mixes + A314 (even the sold out IJ)
And since im going to do this as a fun test i am open to other suggestions then the one i wrote. Since i want to be congruent for these 3 day’s and not change the mix. Just curious if i could get some good effects on a continous 3 day’s since we will be pretty close all 3 days, it could give a strong effect if i have someone in the cloud for 8 hours 3 day’s in a row.

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Well i thought it might be fun to do a trial there since im going anyway. And se what effects can be reached after 3 intense days in my phero cloud. Doesnt hurt to see :slight_smile:

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Either way, this falls right outside the scope of fallout mixes/this thread. Complete removal, then subsequent and repeated re-exposure to the signature, often over a protracted period of weeks or even months is one of the key aspects here. Its all about building a much stronger, persistent response - Cementing an LTR, secure status at work, promoting an “authority” impression - all that kind of thing.

You will not be able to manage that within three days of constant exposure.

Its like pitching-up on a cougar/mature woman thread looking for the mix to work with teenagers - chalk and cheese! There are far more relevant threads to discuss the uses you want.

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One thing I haven’t seen much discussion about with these “long term” fallout mixes is how the mix might change over time. I don’t mean switching components, I mean subtly tweaking the dosage of the components, or perhaps adding a very low level of a sexual once connection/bonding has been established.
Could the target become “used to” a fallout mix if it remains unchanged over 2 or 3 months? Is it necessary to slowly ramp up some dosages?
Just some points for discussion!