To touch on what mobo mentioned, what happens if you see your target and you’re not wearing your fallout mix? will there be any drawbacks to this?
Two questions:
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with the current problem with a314 oil, would the spray work? is there something entirely different we could use?
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For grins and giggles, anybody thought of adding P79 to these mixes?
Yup - The sprays are just fine. A little more of a challenge to keep a steady dose/exposure going on prolonged encounters but still usable nonetheless.
I’d advise against it. P79 does not go that well with many of the fallout pheros and can give extreme and highly unpredictable results. Remember that it can amplify all the bad aspects as well as the good and the sort of pheros that steer P79 in a good way are not all conducive to fallout - In fact some (like alphanol) can contribute to killing these properties stone dead.
huh, ok I’ll drop the P79 idea.. consistency seems key with this kind of mix…
Is there any alternative to the A314 compnents? I’m not really liking the smell.
Not really - not unless you go elsewhere anyway. Moving to the oil is about the only thing I’d suggest as its scent settles so light.
And yes, consistency, removal and re-exposure is critical in developing fallout.
I’d be interested what effects you got combining IShine, IH and 314. If you found synergy (added fallout) that would be a key finding that validates some other tests I’ve done. It works with P75 instead of 314.
IH/IS or A314/IH/IS are both good fallout combos IME.
IH/IS is more a basic/social/entry level kind of fallout mix IME - Very social and the sort of thing that gets people engaging/involving/conspiring/interacting with you in all sorts of ways. Its also pretty unisex, and can be used with a variety of sexuals to good effect around women - TUTH, NPA, A7 and IJ in particular - Although you need a lot of it to balance IJ, to the point I did wonder if it was worthwile? A small amount of IS as IJ-steering often seemed better but no particular fallout effects.
A314/IH/IS is a different beast altogether - more respect, trust and engaging leadership around men, with less obvious fallout/authority responses, but a strong leader - follower/hanger-on effect on women, which is very nicely sexualised/romanticised by the usual products. I have been quite fond of it at work and it proved less problematic for attracting the the stalkerish ones compared to A314/IH/P74. My only issue with it is that you need to keep the IS well topped-up or its effectiveness falls-off rapidly. About three hours maximum.
Oh and Cohesion/APi - Turned one of my fallout girls very hot indeed. She more or less cornered me in fornt of my office sink. My bum is actually bruised! 
Surprised to see 60mcg of A1 in there. I’ve been told it’s best to keep A1 in the 10-12.5mcg range. Also, I’ve been told Ammo kills fallout mixes so I’m slightly confused. Will give this a try tomorrow!
Depends what else you have in the mix - A more robust mix can stand a lot more. 60mcg will flatten many mixes altogether, Simply drowning them in A1 is not the answer.
Also, for fallout/crushy properties, A1 does not need to be present in great amounts. 12.5 -15 is often all you need and you really don’t want to bang-on 50 or more mcg, then discover you get the depressive self effects - which will be hellish. Start low and build the dose up in steps till you find what suits you.
A1 is not as affected by alphanol as other pheros, so you can use it more freely but in general, keep Ammo or alphanol to the lowest possible proportion in the mix if you do use it.
Ah right, makes sense. Also, there’s no P74 in the mix; I thought that was a major part of fallout?
If you are using A1, you won’t really be needing IH, P74 or IH/P74 and vice versa - I’d tend to use one or the other as the three together can over moderate all your secondaries to no greater fallout effect. Simply piling all the potential fallout pheros in a bucket mix is not the way to go.
IH/P74 is also a decent alternative to A1 if it gives you the downers - You may need to drive it a little harder in the sexual/romantic direction compared to A1 but it is quite viable - I ditched A1 more or less completely for a long time in favour of IH/P74.
IH/IS in a mix is also a capable fallout promoter.
Then there is the supposition that there is already a small amount of betanol/P74 in A314 to begin with (betanol is confirmed IIRC but don’t ask me to go-digging for it!, which with the other steering pheros may account for its fallout properties even as a standalone.
Ah I see. Well one night I accidentally splashed around 1mg of A1 on me and didn’t experience any downers 
Also, this fallout mix was created in 2010. I’ve heard the ingredients of a lot of the products have changed, most notably A314. Therefore, do you think this “nuclear fallout” will still be achievable and as potent with the same dosages?
Oh, has anyone any idea what other than Androstenone might be in Possess Alpha? That and one drop of A314 produced an interesting and highly positive/welcome response from one of my more recent fallouts yesterday. She’s barely seen me since the surgery (twice/briefly) and became very clingy, very quickly! 
Good! That’s a major potential problem out of the way - but more generally, don’t drown your mixes in A1. In fact do try taking some out at approx 6.25mcg as a standalone - You will see just how effective it can be with just your natural phero sig! 
Most of those products are just the same and apart from the REV31 debacle, A314 is still just as usable as ever for fallout. In fact, some of the best fallout responses I’ve had came from REV23 (2011-12) - in the sexual/romantic direction anyway. More generally, I would always do a limited re-check of doses whenever a new batch of A314 comes out and adapt them if needed - With all the hoo-ha recently, people do seem to have forgotten that A314 has always had a slight variance between batches.
Fallout established, what product or dosing to use to maintain the effect but keep it from becoming a male friend? I would have said 314, TUTH and IH, the latter being less friendly than P74. A1 I haven’t enough experience with. I have a love/hate issue with 74’s androgyny and asexual tones. And TUTH is freaking out of stock again! Groan. Was set to write up my TUTH + 314 results, and I’m near to out.
Ah I see! I’m going to give the Nuclear Fallout v.2 a try for the next 5 days, will report back
You continue with at least your core products plus whatever steering is appropriate to the current environment.
From that mix the core looks to be A314/IH - TUTH is a secondary/steering component.
Maintain the same dose of your core components but vary the secondaries according to the situation.
On a side note…TAK + P74 is really interesting. Even just 7.5/7.5 each. Somebody clue me what I’m onto here, if anything. These mones don’t by themselves hit me much. 30 of K is not much to me. There’s a synergy here I don’t understand. Trying to debug the beta in 74 and use this with A314, but I want to keep my regular sig. with fallout targets. With only so many testing opps. per wk., I have to make it count. Clues anybody? A314 and 74 is really nice. It’s that it is too nice where the stumbling block sets in. It’s a damned cheap fallout combo, if it can be made to work better. It needs to hit harder with women and less with men.
- There was also some suggestion that an approachability enhancer such as TAK may be helpful in facilitating the magnetic effects of other pheromones.*
-etrione (P86) and -atrione are the only two I’m sure of, mobo. I also speculate it contains small amounts of alpha and epiandrosterone, but I can’t be entirely sure of those last two.
Ahh - P86! That would make some good sense. I’ve only used a little of it, a long time ago but yes, it did have some good close/rapid bonding properties.