Dbot's Pheromone Journal

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Journals
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A Bit of Background

It was suggested in my introduction post that I start a journal to track my experiments and experiences with pheromones.

My intentions for testing and using pheromones are pretty scientific, but like anyone I am also intrigued by the possibility for enriching my day-to-day experiences. In this journal I am likely to oscillate between scientific and personal reflections, and will hopefully be able to reach a number of convergences between the two in order to have a better insight into the nature of unconscious social influence.

About Me

I am 6’, 160lbs, moderate/slim build, nordic/germanic decent, blonde hair and blue eyes, well-trimmed blond beard. I dress smart but relaxed. My standard outfit is a nicely fitted pair of jeans with a business shirt and some comfy-but-dressy-enough Dansko shoes. In the winter I usually wear a v-neck sweater over the business shirt, black wool overcoat.

My Meyers-Briggs personality type is INTJ. I’m highly intuitive, artistic, and critical. Most people regard me as quite brilliant but also cocky and impatient. I am skilled in argument and public speaking, but not always a very fluent conversationalist. I’m very good at making professional connections but not nearly as good at making personal ones. I find it difficult to maintain an interest in people unless there is a specific purpose for doing so, such as in a therapy session or networking function. I’m really working on this right now.

I am a licensed psychotherapist by trade, and so am always thinking about the ways that people make decisions, cultivate and maintain beliefs, and communicate via multiple simultaneous channels. I have long-standing interests in psychology, hypnosis, neurophysiology, psychoneuroimmunology, binaural stimulation, light and sound machines, meditation, spirituality, and psychedelic studies. I’m very interested in the potential psychotherapeutic effects of various pheromones, particularly those which enhance trust, empathy, and communication. Research has indicated that clients’ perceived level of rapport and trust within the therapeutic relationship leads to better treatment outcomes. I will be experimenting in this area and reporting my results here.

First Entry

I just placed my order for an IS & IH for myself, and an IS for my lady as a Christmas present. I’ve been using A314 for a couple years – I had ordered it from the other pheromone site (LS) when they still carried it; in fact, that they stopped carrying it is the reason I found this site. So up until very recently I didn’t realize that anyone was going about this pheromone thing with the kind of scientific mindset I see here.

Not too long ago I acquired a bottle of WAGG in hopes of adding a more social element to the A314. I’m not sure if it’s considered polite to discuss products that aren’t sold here, but since it’s what I have on hand, I’ll go ahead a relate my experience until my other AD products arrive.

Long story short: I hate WAGG. The stuff seems to be the anti-A314. I always wear A314, so in my tests of WAGG I’ve been applying it in addition to that. Tonight was the 4th time, and I’m officially swearing off the stuff.

Self-effects: Immediate feeling of kind of loose laziness. Later, this becomes introversion and eventually melancholy. This is not a way that I am used to feeling, and since there are no ingredients lists available for WAGG I have no idea what causes it. The last two times I went out with it, I even applied some Perception gel (2:1:1 ratio of androstenol:androsterone:androstenone) to try and amp myself up, but the WAGG seems to counteract that too. I end up slouching, speaking in a slightly higher vocal tonality than normal, and feeling distinctly un-alpha. Not for me, bro.

Other-effects: People do seem to talk to me a little more easily than normal. Each time I go out with WAGG on I end up in relatively shallow conversations with people I don’t know, and they seem to like me ok. The effect is just enough that I feel like there is one, but not so much that I feel like it’s really significant.

I got home and couldn’t get myself into the shower fast enough. As soon as I washed the stuff off I felt mostly back to my normal self again. I hope the IH/IS combo provides what I was looking for when I bought the WAGG. I’m just looking to add some better social bonding aspects to my normal baseline/A314 persona.

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I’ve never actually used WAGG before but from what I understand its a weaker version of Ishine. It kind of makes sense though that it would lighten the effect of A314 in that aspect. A314 is super Alpha and then you add the WAGG or IShine and you essentially are turning the ALPHA vibe into happy-go-lucky. In some instances this could work, but I get yah.

You should try the new alcohol version of A314 which is 1.23A and 1.23B. I won’t tell you my view on it, because I believe you should see for yourself. Of course my reports are readily available if you chose. Glad you started a journal though and I look forward to reading more reports :slight_smile:

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Thanks for your response, Steve!

I hope it’s not the same stuff that’s in Instant Shine, as my order for IS just shipped! So I’ll be able to tell you for sure in a few days, but I’m hoping to enjoy IS :slight_smile:

The tempering/negating of the alpha effect didn’t have any of the light or happy-go-lucky vibe I’ve heard people describe when using TAA. Instead, I just felt run down and kind of generally unlikeable. Based on what I’ve read, I’m thinking it may be A1-based.

EDIT 1/16/2011 - I found this excellent thread on TAK in which mark-in-dallas argues that WAGG = TAK @ ~45mcgs.

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Experiences with A314 Alone

At 1 drop I notice only a little bit of difference in the way I feel or the way others behave around me. Some days it’s not enough to notice. Four drops seems to create more social distance than I usually want, but is great if I have a lot of work to get done. I wore six drops when I went out shopping on Black Friday, and I don’t recall having any trouble getting around :slight_smile:

For me the sweet spot is 2-3 drops, and I have found this particularly suited to professional situations, particularly where I am dealing with older and more established men. I have always been a pretty brash and fearless person anyway, and I find that A314 is very congruent with this style. Rather than taking offense, people seem generally more likely to appreciate my insights and sense of humor.

In public, I find people defer to me in sometimes unexpected and amusing ways. Not too long ago I was getting on a city bus and had an older man put out his arm to hold back his women and children, insisting that I board first. In general, people treat me like I’m older when I’m wearing A314–which is good for me since I have kind of a baby face. For example, I am much less likely to be carded for alcohol when I have it on.

I’ve tried applying it in various ways, and have found that applying it behind the ears provides the best balance of self- and other- effects for my taste. I rub it behind my ears and then down along my jawline. I have a beard, which I think may help diffuse the bit that is applied along the jaw.

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Not the same at all. TAA is an exclusive Androtics molecule. From what I was told though and not personal experience, WAGG is a knockoff of Ishine. I was told it was actually a cheap knockoff, but honestly since I never used it that’s not for me to say. You have to form your own opinion.:wink:

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Preliminary report on experiences with Instant Shine

For the past few days I’ve been getting a feel for Instant Shine, both on its own and in combination with A314.

I can say with certainty (and thankfully) that it is nothing like WAGG at all. No energy-sap or vibe disruption here. However, I’m not sure I’ve fully got the hang of it, either.

Self effects have ranged from negligible at 1x to increased spontaneous smiling at 3x.

Effects on others have been tough to gauge. None were evident at 1x or 2x alone, but when used at 2x or 3x on top of 3x A314, there seemed to be a simultaneous reduction in social boundaries and an increase in A314’s DIHL, “tell me what to do” quality. To the point where, teaching my workshop tonight, I had trouble getting any communication out of my students. I would ask them questions and they would respond by staring back at me blankly, but seemingly attentively as well. I got the impression they were waiting for me to tell them how to answer.

Shortly after applying the A314 & IS this afternoon, I experienced a fairly strange effect which lasted about 15-20 minutes in the 20 degree Chicago weather. People were literally veering toward me on the sidewalk. Three of them nearly collided with me, while maintaining eye contact.

I’m looking forward to getting into some IH this weekend. I’ve heard many good things about it on its own and coupled with A314, and will be evaluating the suitability of this combination for some very important interviews I’ve got coming up.

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First test with Instant Honesty

I had the day off today and had a couple of errands to run, so I decided to do some testing. I was in the mood to see some real results, so loaded up with what I thought would be quite a bit: 2x A314 + 3x IH + 2x IS.

I rode a bus to a shopping center and puttered around for a while, ate some lunch, rode a bus to a grocery store, shopped there, and walked home.

Results were disappointing. Very few people showed any interest in making eye contact or in seizing opportunities for banter. Attempts at smalltalk tended to go nowhere. No more smiles or acknowledgements than would be generally expectable. Everything seemed just about normal. I didn’t really notice much in the way of self-effects either, save a slight rush that lasted about 20 minutes after application.

It was kind of windy out, and the first 15 minutes of my day involved walking in the cold wind – could this have dispersed everything I had on?

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Great to read your insights on mones and not only the AD kind! Thanks for those observations on WAGG! Good to know…

Windy City, huh? You know, I’ve found that if you have a higher amount of Alpha signature, more drops of the A314 nectar, especially if you’re puttering around, as I have at the store on occasion, I’ve found others just not into coming up to me or continuing to talk if I engage. But, when I’ve used IH solo in a similar situation, the convo’s come swiftly and I’m readily engaged with others! I’ve also used 1 drop of A314 with IH at a higher dosage and it seems to bring out the convo’s with the A314 respect as well…but doesn’t let the intimidation of A314 out…

How’s your lady takin’ your new scents?

Congrats on the Journal!!!

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Thanks for your reply, Alpha. I was thinking the A314 might be inhibiting spontaneous social contact. It seems to be helpful in purposeful communications, such as work and school-related, but not so much for fun, casual conversation. I’ll try IH on it’s own and with 1x A314 and report back.

My girl usually gets home late after I’ve already showered, so her neroli exposure so far has been minimal, and I haven’t heard anything about it. I want to keep her exposure minimal until after Christmas, so she’ll be surprised by the grapefruit Instant Shine I got her :slight_smile:

I’m glad to hear you were interested in my report on WAGG. I plan on returning it soon, but I think I owe it one or two solo tests before I do. For science.

Now I’m off to a meeting with a member of my dissertation committee and our statistician. I’ve selected 2x A314 and 2x IH for this meeting, although I maybe should’ve kept it at 1x A314 since I don’t really know what I’m doing when it comes to stats :smiley:

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I’m really starting to like Instant Honesty. My previous trial indicated that random public hits are not likely with the combination of A314 and IH, but today was spent with people I know relatively well.

In general, conversations flowed easily and felt good. There was more than the usual amount of storytelling and relaxing together before we began working this afternoon. I felt a peculiar and very pleasant sense of warmth and connectedness. I hope this feeling was enhanced by the IH, because I want to be able to feel it all the time! I felt a kind of soft, easy affection – even forgiveness.

And I was happy to find that when it came time to work collaboratively, everyone was able to easily focus on the task at hand and to communicate effectively. I noticed, in fact, that I had an easier than usual time listening and paying attention to what was being said, and it seemed as though that may have been true for everyone in the room. A314 + IH FTW.

The pleasant feeling of emotional warmth stayed with me for a number of hours following the satisfying interaction, as though I had recharged my social batteries.

Phenomenology of Consciousness Inventory

I’ve decided to begin measuring self-effects using Pekala’s Phenomenology of Consciousness Inventory (PCI). This instrument provides a good, standardized way of quantifying the specific dimensions of conscious experience during a given time period, so that over time it will be easy to compare the subjective self-effects of various pheromonal concoctions.

Here are my results for 2xA314 + 2xIH:

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Nice tool! Really interesting..

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That’s what she said :smiley:

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I’m preparing an experiment involving the use of IH during a hypnotic experience that I plan on starting momentarily. I’m going to compare an existing PCI score taken while under hypnosis a few years ago with a PCI score that I will take after listening to a hypnosis program I’ve been wanting to get to. Before listening to the program, I will administer some IH directly beneath my nose.

I have also been researching putatives that may be useful in enhancing my social presence for my upcoming interviews. I’m looking at P106, P97, and possibly P74. Here’s some information I’ve found to base these selections on:

P106
Reported effects include focus and convergent thinking, empathy/synchrony, feelings of security and groundedness, heightened powers of persuasion, improvement in directed communications, improved cooperation, and balancing of A314’s strong dominant vibe.

P97
Reported effects include: improved mental clarity, verbal eloquence, and depth of social connection, improved empathy, increased comfort and familiarity.

P74
This major compilation of P74 reports reveals major effects including social magnetism and increase in social desirability.

Edit: Looks like I’m not going to have time to run my 1st hypnosis experiment tonight. It may not be until late next week. But I did put in my order for P106 and P97. I think they’ll give me a good start for experimenting to create my interview mix. I would’ve ordered the P74 too but I couldn’t justify the expense.

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This evening I used 1x IH, applied behind one ear and then smeared behind the other, about a half hour before my wife came home from work. We’ve both been stressed lately and I figured, based on my experience with IH so far, that it would help us get a little extra intimacy so we could have some of that nice social recharge feeling I’ve seen from this mix. Worked like a charm!

We had a nice end of the night, watched a little tv, had a few glasses of wine, and got to really relax and reconnect in a way we haven’t this week. IH is social bonding magic. I still haven’t gotten a feel for Instant Shine really doing much of anything for me, but IH is very clearly an effective addition to my chemistry. I’m looking forward to increasing my dosages of IH throughout the week to see what kind of effects it has.

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OW MAN! I wished you had ordered p74! I have a bottle of this as well and it would totally be awesome if we could test this together - I still don’t understand how this works!

Ditto. IS - although has had TONS of positive reports, it doesn’t do anything for me either at this point. But I notice you have lots of opportunities to interactions with people, you might wanna try IS at high dosages 1 day and see what kind of reactions you can get!

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Nice journal. Great reports. First let me say that I believe p74 is well worth it. I personally have some issues getting into it. The two times that I have tested it alone it gave me an uneasy feeling which affected my confidence. However once I started getting ‘hits’ that went away. The ‘hits’ were all trust based. I was offered lots of free information and opportunities that were wayyy outside of what is normally expected.

As you have noticed A314 can’t be tough to use socially. It really takes a little work to initiate things with A314. You get subtle IOI’s and small ‘hits’. Of course for business or just living life, it’s amazing. Pairing it with IO tends to soften it and create an atmosphere for socialization, while allowing you to remain the authority. IH and A314 feels more like an empathetic leader. People want to follow and trust in your judgement. They feel that you care about them. However they are sometimes nervous about wasting your time. I have found that CTTM and A314 helps increase rapport. Mirroring and leading happen a lot faster. You get a lot of brain dump with this combination, but you also relate so well that people begin to incorporate your thoughts as their own very quickly.

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p74 helps with male bonding… when I wear this, I get random guys at bars and resturants “High five” me… however, at high doses, it does weaken the -none attraction hits

Now, you, sir, even get the honor of me, the COOLEST Kat, commentting on your journal :smiley:

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What type of hypnosis experiment are you doing?

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I’m going to administer IH and then listen to a recorded hypnotic induction - the Phenomenology of Consciousness Inventory - Hypnotic Assessment Procedure (PCI-HAP). Then I’ll compare my PCI scores with a previous set of scores obtained using the same procedure without exposure to the androstenol blend.

I was originally planning to just use a hypnosis CD for allergies that I’ve been meaning to listen to, but I decided my results would have better validity if I measured my state under the same type of hypnotic procedure.

If I get good results I may put together materials for other people to repeat the experiment. I’d have to clear it with Ron Pekala to use his instrument, of course.

I plan on repeating this procedure with a variety of pheromone mixtures to see if they might be used to increase general hypnotic responsivity, or specific types of hypnotic responsivity.

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How exciting! My order has shipped! Soon I’ll have:

  • P106, 30mL @ 10 mcg/spray in akuto
  • P97, 30mL @ 15 mcg/spray in grapefruit
  • Instant Gentleman in To-Go form