VL90
Well, I can’t tell what VL90 is doing if anything. I wore it at 3 sprays yesterday and nothing. I wore it at 2 sprays and nothing. I’m kinda tired so maybe I’m not reading it right or perceiving things the way that I should.
I think that I’m just going to wear VL1 tomorrow. It is the best putative that I have ever worn. VL1 beats out all single molecules that I have tried with the exception of enone. That includes P74,P75, P78, P79, P83, P85, P93, P96 and P130.
Dosing observations
Probably one of the hardest parts of discovering a new putative is dosing. Androtics Experimones & Putatives have the same price for doses between 125 nanogram/spray and 2.5 microgram/spray dosage for 30 mL, or between 625 nanograms/spray and 12.5 micrograms/spray for 5 mL To Go! sizes.
So where do you start? Some would say start at the bottom and work your way up. What if you buy a fairly untested molecule like P100? Does that mean that you have to test from 625 nanograms and up? If 2 sprays at 625 nanograms each do not give a solid reaction then you have to move to larger and larger doses by single sprays until you get a reaction.
What if P100 starts causing a reaction at 25 Mcg’s. That means (by my bad math) that you have to spray 40 sprays from a 5ml sprayer to reach a 25 Mcg dose. That’s the whole 5ml bottle.
Is there a trick or solution to finding the correct dosing? When discovering a new Putative I would say no.
Even a well tested Putative like P96 probably has not been tested at the 500 mcg per spray level. A1 at 7.5-25 mcg range is effective but at the 100 mcg range it does not have the same Ill effects that it does at the lower range. Has anyone tried A1 at 500 mcg’s? What does it do at that level? I’ve tested A1 from 25 mcg’s to 250 mcg’s.
I said all of this to say that dosing is difficult to figure out. You really have to test molecules within a full range (from 1 nanogram to 500 + mcg’s) to really get the true essence of what the molecule is doing.
I am wearing VL1 today. Definitely my favorite molecule now! I could wear this daily.
I am dissolving a new molecule (1ml in 151 rum). I want to wear it tomorrow…we’ll see.
I saw an old thread of mine in which I stated that fallout was caused by a high status signature. Well at the time this is what I believed in 2010 because I hadn’t been exposed to any other Alpha product. Since then I have tried other high status Alpha products and they don’t have the same fallout effect that A314 does. This observation led me to conclude that A314 had something that the other Alpha products don’t.
Of course all of this guessing would be eliminated if pheromone vendors would be more transparent about their formulas but that’s not going to happen anytime soon.
The secret formula for Coca-Cola has been revealed but they are still on top of their industry.
Wearing 2 sprays of VL1. Loving this putative!
Testing for Vendors
A vendor has sent me more stuff to test. I have to admit I am showing off my pheromone knowledge. The vendor is coming to realize what a great tester I am. Not an ego stroke it’s true. I’ve been using pheromones for over 15 years. Not only that but I’m a bit of a PUA so it makes testing easier. I can spot the signs, body language and other nuances of the pick up.
I love people and watching their behavior. I have studied psychology and understand the social aspects of human behavior. To understand how pheromones are affecting people you have to understand people.
Anyhow, I’m flattered that the vendor trusts my opinion. I try to be observant and accurate.
If more movie directors and producers would run screenings, ideas, plots and dialog by movie critics there would be more hit movies made. Critics can see plot holes, bad dialog, faulty logic, poor plot progression and other movie making errors. Why not have a critic take a look at the movie project to help clean the movie up?
Same goes with pheromones.
IOI’s and how to read them
Recently a poster asked me about IOI’s. For some reason I can not send long PM’s so I’ll fully address it here.
I made this award winning post about 4 years ago: https://pheromonetalk.com/t/iois-the-complete-list/41500
In general look for IOI’s in bunches. A single IOI could mean nothing but when combined with other IOI’s it is a good indicator of interest.
If a woman holds eye contact it could mean 2 things.
The first thing that prolonged eye contact could mean is that she is day dreaming or mental drifting and you happen to be a fixed point or in her line of sight.
The second thing that could be happening is that she thinks that you are handsome/attractive. By holding eye contact she is indicating that she is interested in you.
Yep. They’re diastereomers. Isomer is merely a catch-all for different conformations. Epimer, enantiomer and racemate are more specific. Reduction of -enone would not be selective, it would yield alpha and beta nol. Complex synthesis is stereospecific to only the alpha or beta. Total synthesis of B12 is over 50 steps. And the chemist has to train on the building block steps, much like a chef learns his sauces. The stuff about old, dying chemists is not BS. I learned one of the world experts in neurosteroids passed a couple years ago.
There are some posts buried on the board about Scripps Institute. That was where he worked. If given permission, I might even post his bio, since he’s gone now. Maybe then, people, who often don’t know what the f’ck they are talking about, will know why P93 was gone for a long time.
But, yeah, people talk out their ass quite a bit, when they should get to a library and learn. Learn first, talk later. The sh’t is on Wikipedia, if anyone wants to read…free. 
Just ranting
I have to agree with you monesmadedoit. There is so much misinformation about pheromones.
I am having a disagreement with a vendor who will not let go of his theory that a little EST (or Epi or other estrogenic pheromones) can be added to a mix to “soften” the mix. I have been arguing that not only does it soften the mix it gives the wearer a womanish vibe, a girly vibe.
I’m not a chemist or a scientist or a vendor…but I know what a pheromone mix is doing. I have come to a point where I can read a mix.
All in all I just want pheromone science to advance. I want to see a Golden age where everything works. Instead I am looking at bottles of $65 “pheromone colognes” that don’t work.
There are over 40 pheromones that can be used in pheromone formulas but vendors seem to be using the same 5 ingredients in all of their mixes.
This is why I’ve started buying and researching putatives on my own.
While I was typing this I sprayed 2 sprays of VL1 on and a woman who had been ignoring me all morning long stopped to talk to me…Now that’s what I’m talking about…progress.
Many companies are using 10 generic mones: rones, nols, dhea, -enone. That company in Canada–I haven’t seen a positive review on their stuff in a long time. There’s only so many ways you can blend that stuff. EST is an estrogen. Estrogens are unique among mones due to 3, A-ring double bonds, 1,3,5 (aromatized).
Estratetraenol, also known as estra-1,3,5(10),16-tetraen-3-ol, is a chemical compound produced by women[1] (Estratetraenol - Wikipedia) that has been described as having pheromone-like activities in primates,[2] (Estratetraenol - Wikipedia) including humans.[3] (Estratetraenol - Wikipedia)[4] (Estratetraenol - Wikipedia)[5] (Estratetraenol - Wikipedia)[6] (Estratetraenol - Wikipedia) It is derivative of the sex hormone estradiol, an estrogen, yet has no known estrogenic effects.
Tell your vendor, “It’s a f’cking estrogen secreted by girls.”
Signed and stamped
Since my post is stuck in mod, I thought you might appreciate this. Dr. Purdy of Scripps, who died in 2012, was one of the few beings who could make allopreganolone and many other things bespoke, as a world-leading synthetic neurosteroid research chemist.
Structure-activity relationship st… [Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2014] - PubMed - NCBI
So the vendor finally conceded on the estrogen issue and won’t put EST and other estrogenic pheromones in his mixes. I think this vendor is really going to produce some great mixes. Don’t ask who it was. I am very discreet. I work well with the vendors.
Thank you so much for the links. I’ve been studying the links so much this week because of the links.
I am wearing VL1 today. This putative is so good. I rave about it, I know. I’m like a proud dad.
VL1
VL1
Wearing VL1 again today. I love this putative. Ha! I know. I say it everyday now but so what. I love it. It’s consistent. No aftereffects and it’s perfectly dosed.
I found a place that has DPG and FCO. I only need to order it. I’ve been mixing VL1 in cologne and it works but it works better in DPG.
A314
The current version of A314 (ver 32) works but it is a ghost of its former self. A314 was the Pinnacle of pheromone success. A314 was Androtics? masterpiece and it worked?no doubt. Something happened and Version 30,31 and 32 do not work as well as Version 29 did. I’m waiting for Version 33.
I am still testing for the vendor but decided to take a short break to gather my impressions and thoughts.
Nicolaus Copernicus
Nicolaus Copernicus (1473-1543) was a mathematician and astronomer who proposed that the sun was stationary in the center of the universe and the earth revolved around it. Disturbed by the failure of Ptolemy’s geocentric model of the universe to follow Aristotle’s requirement for the uniform circular motion of all celestial bodies and determined to eliminate Ptolemy’s equant, an imaginary point around which the bodies seemed to follow that requirement, Copernicus decided that he could achieve his goal only through a heliocentric model. (Nicolaus Copernicus (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy))
It so funny when I think about what Copernicus had to put up with. People who vehemently opposed his view that the Earth revolved around the Sun. People thought he was wrong when he knew he was right. Only time proved him right…
The cool thing is that his pioneering work in the field of Astronomy is studied world wide and Copernicus is seen as the initiator of the Scientific Revolution.
This is a brand new science. Only those who are right will come to be known as legendary. Wrong guesses, propagation of myths and untruths will be crushed by the strength of time.
Testing methods
I know that this may seem silly to some but have you really tested pheromone products solo?
In my opinion, the best way to go about testing is to find your sweet spot first.
Once you find your sweet spot, continue to wear the formula until you get a feel for what the mix is doing. Then you can move on to trying combos.
Also, when you wear a combo you are no longer wearing say IH+AMMO Core you are wearing IHAMMO. Its like combining blue and red dye. You no longer have blue and red. You have purple. So combining mixes produces an entirely different mix with different ratios.
The ratio of Nols in a mix may be 20% alpha and 80% beta which would produce a deep conversation. The ratio of Nols in the second mix may be reversed. They might be 80% alpha and 20% beta. So that when adding another mix the ratio of Nols will change and thus the way the the combo acts.
To put it succinctly, combos of 2 different formulas produce a whole new formula.
Enjoy your testing. I hope this helps someone.
As of today there are 35,799 members here at the Androtics forum. However, the number of posters who actually know what they are talking about can be counted on my hands and toes.
It makes me kind of wish that Androtics had an advanced forum for users who have tested products and proven their advanced testing and research skills.
VL1
I am wearing VL1 today. I have to mix up a 30 ml of this stuff. Mixing this every 2 weeks is getting old. I wear VL1 every day except when I am testing for Vendors. I’m just plain old lovin’ VL1. I have to note now that I think guys like this too. Not in a gay (no offense to anyone who is) way but in a friendly way. Again I’ll note that Asian men don’t seem to like this molecule. With that exception it looks like VL1 may be some sort of universal molecule.
My only beef with the VL1 molecule is that it seems to ramp up over time rather than hit hard right away. I don’t know why this is. I’ve increased doses thinking that dosing was the key but it’s not. Maybe that’s just the way this putative acts.
Such a test needs to be objective. A bundle pack of “can you spot the molecule?” would be great. “If given one component of IG, TUTH, IH or Shine (steering molecules, not erone or -enone), who spots it?” It would have to be designed with some coding or blind scheme. The person simply gets a badge on their profile. Open to anyone with > 1 year experience. The judging process must be 100% objective. Some kind of reporting user skill test. That tier of tested users gets password access to a unique forum. Maybe some goodies?
You know, I think that’s do-able.
All of those ideas sounds good except for the password access as passwords can be shared. Mods and Admins can manually add the names to a closed forum list. It’s just that there are too many users who just don’t know what is going on. It would be nice to have a place to discuss the pheromone science among advanced users.
I did belong to a forum that had 70,000 members and they had an advanced poster forum. The Mods would recommend advanced posters for the quality of their posts, demonstration of subject knowledge and helpfulness to other posters.
John S did have a test for posters about 3 years ago but that project quietly lived and quietly died.
Something along those lines. The A314 forum isn’t exactly top secret, but it isn’t cluttered either. A hidden forum thread and password (the thread is invisible and not in the search engines…the link and password would be mailed) would do away with 80% of all issues. If it gets too public the password can be changed. I think MX403 is still in stock. Could be even simpler: an Instant product with no label or a putative with no label. The average person should be able to spot P75 in a blind test. It can’t be something out there like P117.
We need to keep it simple at first. Something that tests basic skills at testing single molecules. Not too rare. A hidden forum and password. If we can come up with something simple that doesn’t tax their resources, I will send it on to the suggestion box. Something that doesn’t require too much admin work. Something handled by a Research Assistant. I think it can get done. They wanted that Pheromone Det. Squad. Being more selective about giving molecule and MX freebies is a winner for both sides. Sending it to people who can’t or won’t test isn’t helping much. Can’t say as I’ve learned much from P102 reports.
If it is simple and doesn’t cost much, I think it can be done. It’s important to stay competitive with other “researcher” forums being used at other vendors.
If this is something in concept you’d do, join a thread I will start. We can decide the ground rules by discussion and then approach Androtics to do it. I think yes, they will. On a trial basis.
As long as there are no posters in the advanced forum asking “Which pheromone is best for an interview?”
We want the best and brightest from this forum. The forum should be for advanced pheromone theory discussion, advance mixes, advanced testing…ect.
It’s important to stay competitive with other “researcher” forums being used at other vendors as their forums have produced great advances in the pheromone world…and at little cost to the Vendor.
it would save Androtics a ton of money by sending something like P102 to the members of the advanced forum to research and report on rather than mail P102 out at random and hope to get a report on it.
In any case this forum would fit in with the new direction that Androtics wishes to take as far as how research is conducted.
It’s my idea and I will take credit for forming the forum…ect
You go ahead and do the paperwork and such.
As Captain Picard would say “Make it so”.
Yes, I pretty much agree with all that. I’m not prepared to assign “research” exclusively to XS. Just because I think monopolies are bad for the consumer, in cell phone, cable companies and everywhere. 5-6 cos. control everything now. 2 companies control 90% of the single molecules to the public.
There are numerous threads tagged “interview.” All one does is click or post to an existing thread as required. What seems very new often has been done before. So, while newer posts on restocked items are useful, there is a long legacy on MX353, P96, etc. There is no such legacy on 20+ molecules for which few posts exist. Sending yet more P91 and P102 bottles…I would have to say I’ve learned rather little.
The best time to start anything is right now. Or else risk doing nothing. I don’t think people have patience for that, in a world where Androtics’ hegemony is slipping.