Pheromones… Placebo or Not Placebo… that’s the question!

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So, I’ve been using pheromone products (PM) for quite some time. I started using PM 4-5 years ago, but I haven’t used any in the last 2 years. I’ve just recently ordered some products from this website and two more from LS.

The main point of these products is to increase attractiveness, although some people use them with other purposes.

When people start using PM, they also start (or continue) learning more about the art of seduction and how to read “body language”. So, we end up detecting more hits that before and we end up being able to get those hits easier than before.

However, how can we be sure this is not placebo? I mean, what signs could make us say “This is the PM speaking”… or “These results were achieved thanks to my PM”?

I got good results with PM in the last, although nothing extraordinary. But let me explain this better… by “good results with PM”, I’m not including the girl I slept with the first night I wore The Edge, because her reaction didn’t seem unnatural. I had sex with her in many other different nights, without PM. So, how can I associate it with PM?

When I use PM, I get a lot more observant. I detect hits easier, even if they’re subtle. Perhaps some of those so called hits are not hits… it could me lowering the threshold for “hit”.

An example of PM working could be some girl who has never smiled to you (even though she had plenty of chances to do it) suddenly throw you a huge smile the first time you see her using PM. But even that is not 100% accurate. If she’s just passing by, would she have time to be affected by my PM? Hard to believe she could.
Another possible example would be some girl who has never said more than 2-3 words to you, but suddenly she becomes very flirtatious and keeps asking for your attention. That is a PM hit, in my opinion.

It’s hard to give PM a proper test, because people already know what to expect from certain product. They’ll act differently, they’ll be more attentive, they’ll probably be talking with women more than usual. All of that gives placebo results.

If you put snake oil in a bottle and give it to subject A and explain him how to read women’s body language and some techniques to establish a conversation, he’ll probably have more success than usual. But it wasn’t certainly because of the snake oil. That is what happens in this forums.

It’s like giving a supplement to subject B and then tell him “You will gain muscle with it… guaranteed… but you have to train well, sleep well and eat even better”. Well, DUUUUUhhh… obviously he will get results if he’s improving everything else. The supplement might give him a small small small help, but > 90% of results come from training, resting and eating.

If PM gives us up to 10% of our results, that means most people might be getting 3-8% (10% is max). The information given by manufacturers does not make possible clients think these products give 3-8% only.

So, the aim of this thread is for everyone please give examples of situations in which they are pretty sure PM were decisive. When do you consider your PM to actually do what manufacturers said they would do? Please state examples of hits that you think would never come without the aid of PM.

Thank you very much! I find this subject very interesting. Please help me make it even more interesting. :smiley:

Cheers! :cool:

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To see if the have any effects, try ODing on None. Like 10 drops NPA or 10 sprays TE or 10 sprays Turn up the heat. :slight_smile: You’ll see it’s not in all only in your head. Post your experience and let us know. Thanks!

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I’ve never heard pheromone products referred to as “PM”.

The way you know pheromone products don’t work via placebo is the three R’s. They are reliable, repeatable and reproducible. However, a necessary first step is knowing what to look for to know they are working. A necessary second step is knowing what to do to escalate the situation (or else, what’s the point).

What I am getting at here is, when a guy uses a legitimate pheromone product and gets no result, the problem is almost always that he doesn’t know when a woman is attracted to him and walks around oblivious. Once he trains himself to notice these things then it becomes obvious. As in there is a HUGE difference when you are wearing the pheromones vs when you are not and you can CLEARLY see this, once you know what to look for. More to the point, once you train yourself to correctly escalate these increase opportunities, pheromones become an extremely useful tool. They open the door for you but it’s up to you to walk through it. Of course, you need to first notice the door is open.

The clearest way to see that pheromones are not placbos is when you run into a fake product like Pherlure, that does NOTHING. If pheromones were placebo, you’d be able to trick a pheromone user with an actual placebo. They would expect the effect so they would get the effect. The opposite happens. Someone with experience with legitimate pheromone products goes, “what the fuck is this shit” when they run into a scam like Pherlure.

That’s because pheromones aren’t just real. They have a POWERFUL effect…that is reliable, repeatable and reproducible. More to the point, you can use the effect to get laid.

Which is the point.

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tobeornottobe, i understand what you’re saying i was wondering about this stuff myself when i first started..well two things…i think testers need to talk to more girls to really convince themselves…stuff like i finally got a hit after wearing it for two weeks or a friend of mine did this…that sort of stuff could happen randomly yes. that’s why i meet lots of girls..like 20 or more every week and keep track of my results…and the dramatic change over such a large sample just can’t be explained away with mental effects.

the other thing is…even if it is a placebo..would you really care? if you gave a guy a fake viagra that made him make love to his wife for 3 hours…do you think he’d still pay you for the fake? you bet your ass!

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Pure and simple, blind testing :wink:
I have done this a couple times and it sure yield some interesting results, and by the way, I nailed the effects :wink::slight_smile:

And, if you want the observation factor to be less of an issue, the only thing you can do is use those observational skills all the time… you’ve already learned how to look for hits, why not do it all the time and better yourself? This allows you to see the different behaviors, because your behavior hasn’t changed, just what your wearing. Duh :stuck_out_tongue::stuck_out_tongue:

Much love,
Dominick

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Hey Tobe, if PM doesn’t tickle your pickle, you’re in the wrong freakin’ house. But don’t say WTF 'til you’ve been blessed with CN69 (Chinook69). It will blow your friggen socks off and propel ya straight into hog heaven!

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85% Placebo.

I honestly think pheros are a waste of money. Although, I have to admit I cant go outside without a couple sprays of Ammo. :smiley:

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Well, that’s precisely what I am saying.

When I started using PM products, I got more hits. But I honesly cannot give PM all the credit. Could it be because I learned how to properly identify hits or I just got more confident in the art of seduction?

I did get some reactions that I think would never happen if I wasn’t using PM. But I can’t be 100% sure.

Still, you guys haven’t given those examples that I asked. What is, in your opinion, an example of PM clearly working? Please give some examples.

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Forgive my ignorance… but what is CN69? :confused:

EDIT: Ok I’ve seen it…

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Ok then… what exactly are you talking about here? Are you saying that you want to know if pheromone products work, by comparing the results you get after using them for a long period of time, to before you knew about pheromones and the ‘art of seduction’? If so… you really cant do so accurately. Like I said if you really want to know if they work keep using those learned methods without pheromones, document your result if you want, and then add pheromones, if you see a difference, voila! You have a notable difference, which can be repeated if you want (like Bonecrkr said).

What kind of examples do you want, reports? Look them up, the search function is your frieeeennd! :stuck_out_tongue::wink: Scientific data?, because there are some, albeit, slightly ambiguous ones, but that’s about it. The best evidence\example I, or anyone else for that matter, can give you is to do some blind tests, be consistent with your behavior, and test it out for yourself.

Dominick

Yeah TAL is CN69, haha, at least that’s what Gegogi is calling it :stuck_out_tongue:

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Situations in which you were sure you wouldn’t get the hit if you weren’t using PM.

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Compilation of good hits!? Sweet! :smiley:

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Pretty much every report I have on here fits into that category. I’ve seen people do things around me (and to me :smiley:) that I know from my own past experience would never happen without the extra assistance pheromones provide.

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Lets see… I’ve had a girl, I knew for about a year, pretty much sniff my crotch, right were I accidentally sprayed some of my IFM, hows that for an atypical reaction? :wink: What about someone just dumping all there issues on you when wearing IHonesty, with someone who is otherwise a closed off person with those type of things? Had that happen to me, unfortunately.

Umm, how about if a girl who has never shown much interest in you, who has sat right next to you for about 3-4 months, and then the very same day you wear IGentlman, IFM, and TAL she is moving around in her seat the whole time with fervent passion, while looking at you, and looking at you so much, and so fast, that your worried she will hurt her neck? :roll_eyes: I have alot more, actually, alot of people do! Seriously just look in the journals! :slight_smile:

Edit: Ahh, the fun of pheromones, it’s not until I look back on my reports do I really get the feeling of, “Wow, this is really powerful stuff!”

Dominick

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I understand what your saying.

Do this, go out without using any mones for a few days. Then use them again.

If its just because you have learned how to properly identify hits then you will still have that learned ability when you not using mones. If its increased confidence on your part you will still be confident as well. Now if you feel that the mones are what is giving you increased confidence which is something they can do then the mones are doing something.

Blind testing with a partner is another way. If you have a trusted friend you can experience this with who will make up some samples. Some with mones some without you will know as well. This is the method I use.

I have never been one to believe in the 90% you 10% mone theory. There are to many other outside influences on any given day. I have used mones a long time and there are days when nothing happens and there are days when its comes close to the theorized 90/10 but there are also days when its 20% mones and 80% me or even 50/50.

I wish I could tell you its a exact science but its just not. To many variables.

The question I ask myself is “on a whole have mones enhanced my life and socialization” for me the answer is yes so they are worth the money. If that answer ever changes then I will stop using them. Only you can answer that question for yourself.

I do make a habit of not using mones a few days a week. This helps me keep it real in a sense and helps me see the difference.

One more tip I have noticed works for me.

Look for patterns in behavior changes in those you already know but are not very close to. People you see often. For instance when I wear LAM there are a few guys at work who consistently respond. I will try to behave in my usual manner because LAM can make a women feel sexy wearing it so you have to remain conscious of it. Its subtle but they linger around me more and I notice more sexual innuendos and flirting occur. I will get more blatant hits as well from strangers but as you mentioned its hard to tell with strangers until you have more confidence in the product. This takes some some time to build the pattern and you need to take notes. Once you take those notes you will see it though and that helps you determine that they are in fact working. When I looked back at my notes I noticed that I consistently got this response every time I wore LAM.

Tisha

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That would be a scent OD as well, so people would still run away from me even if there were no PM in the bottles! :smiley:

Last night I wore 1 drop of A314 and 1 spray of Instant Shine (friend’s birthday). I had two beautiful women sit at my side and I talked to them during the whole dinner. It went pretty well. The girl sitting at my right was more eager to talk than usual, she talked about many different subjects (including her urinary infections :roll_eyes:, her past medical history *, her job, etc etc…). Lots of hair flipping from her. Still, her bf was sitting in front of her (and I happen to know him very well, great guy), so I doubt she was acting in interest. And I obviously had no interest, even though I didn’t stop the conversation from going.

The other girl (a 9/10), sitting at my left was friendly as usual (she’s a great friend of mine), we talked a lot, but her reaction (good) was no different than usual. We get along really well.*

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I’ve noticed a bit of this on the forums too but I have been using pheromones for a month and I’m definitely sure they effect people.

I have lots of bar hopping and night club experience from before I started using pheromones and I have a good idea of how often I get various types of hits without any pheromones.

I do notice that some pheromone combinations noticeably increase the frequency of hits that I get. Some pheromone combinations don’t do anything at all for me.

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Haven’t you essentially answered your own question in your statement ?

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I think I have, but it is interesting to see how important you think the placebo effect is in the results brought by phero products.

In my point of view, PM work because of a strong placebo effect and because of real effects in human behaviour caused by the product itself (independent of placebo). How important is each of those pathes…? That I don’t know…

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A placebo influences only the wearer. The targets/victims are usually not aware of the use of moans (freakin’ PM for crying out loud!). Whatever reactions victims display are indeed influenced by the moans.

Now I realize some users may lay back and no nothing, thinking the moans will work for them, so they get zip. Some noobs are high from the self-effects and may be emboldened, and thus influence outcomes. Nevertheless, most of us wear moans daily for years and are used to the effects. We apply moans and go about our normal day without a thought given to what we’re wearing. Later, in a still moment before falling asleep you think, "damn, no wonder she kept boobing me at the office today. I was wearing friggen MX69!