Some good points made in this thread.
Mahalo I’ve struggled with the same problem in the past. You could take a look at some of the posts in my compilation thread: **'Pheromones for pickup' strategies ('Pheromones for pickup' strategies). I have pasted some of the more applicable ones from that thread in below. **
First post though below is an old rather controversial classic one from Michael himself. Also MHarris does talk about, in the first page of that thread (**Evolutionary psychology: -Rone men and -None Men (Evolutionary psychology: -Rone men and -None Men)), how important congruence is with regards to Androstenone usage as mentioned in some of the posts above…**
MHarris (October 1, 2005):
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Originally Posted by Aurelie
I can grasp this in theory. More than that even, I can see how that can happen. Women getting bored with their reasonable, nurturing spouse and choosing a “bad boy” to have a fling with. Not that I approve of it, to the contrary. I’m just saying I can see why some women would do that.
While everything boils down to our conscious decisions… our minds being given the “final say”… it does seem that we have very STRONG impulses from our genes, and our 7 trillion + cells that express those genes. One conscious mind vs. 7 trillion cells often singing in harmony for food, sex and other basic things. It can be tough to override for some, I imagine.
Not me, though, I’m tough. My brain cells kick the ass of my bodily urges cells. I can’t say I’ve EVER lost control, even once in my life.
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Originally Posted by Aurelie
BUT! I really don’t believe they will go as far as having offspring with the “bad boy” and then have the “nurturer” raise the child as his own. This might have happened in the Middle Ages, but nowadays they have contraceptives.
That’s the beauty of evolutionary psychology.
Evolutionary psychologist is based on what is, rather than what people say. It’s very subterfuge, very low BS. It’s reality + psychology, and is probably the one of the first forms of psychology that’s actually kind of useful since it has such a strong basis in fact.
In fact, in my experiences, I never remember any woman asking for me to wear protection in extremely heated situations where there was enormous sexual chemistry.
If my brain wasn’t so good at ruining “heat in the moment” events for me, I’m certain they would’ve worked out different than they did.
I’m positive, from those experiences, that MANY (not all, just many) normal men and have some pretty intense, protection free sex when there’s a high -none man and an ovulating, on the prowl woman.
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Originally Posted by Aurelie
From a psychological point of view I cannot even remotely imagine living such a lie day in day out with my spouse! I have never met a woman who was in that situation either.
Really??
Plenty of my female friends admit to having protection free sex with men they absolutely hate the next day.
This is talked about in David Buss’ work, and seems to be the typical high -none male / ovulating female interaction.
High -none guys, you get a mad rush, a mad thrill from, you do things with them that are extremely heated… very in the moment… and potentially irresponsible…
and then you often hate them and maybe even hate yourself a little, the next day. Typical pattern.
You see this a lot in popular culture, too. TV shows and movies. Seems to be a universal experience, it’s just that David Buss took the time to put more didatic research into it, and write it out explicitly."
Replacement for NPA?
tacitus (August 4, 2006):
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You’re not intrigued by my sodomy combo ? For shame, grashopper!
anyway… it goes like this… you need an orange light bulb…
so on the pheromone front I discover the two phase technique, this one works like a charm…
first, mix up you massage oil, silicone oil is preferred, with a large dose of androstenone… like 5 milligrams in a four ounce bottle… you’ll use at least 1/4 of the bottle at one time, so we’re looking at 1.2 milligrams being moderately released from the silicone as you massage it into the naked, glistening skin… YUM!!!
second, you make a small quantity of quick release, combined with a great fragrance, mostly alcohol based… TAA, TAH (a superior twosome), Alpha Androstenol, a little A-1, and some alpha-Androsterone … so right before you get down you pre-blast with the quick release mix, this causes wonderful feelings of connection, appreciation, emotional sensuality, very healing energy…
THEN… once the mood is established… start to shlother on the powerfully sexual -none scented oil… the mood will begin to shift, in a dramatic fashion if you are attuned to these things, to really dirty filthy sex inspirations…
now you will need the light from your orange bulb to see what you are doing, or contemplate doing…
**Why does this one-two punch work so well ? So much better than loading it all in a single application ? I think because of the two edged quality that -none has… until she is in the right frame of mind, the **
tisha23 (February 6, 2008):
“Ahhh Thats just my point. You cant Ammo.
instant shine is another. the guys i know that are either around it or wearing just come off as happy…going on..carefree which is VERY sexxay!
i happen to have a dose of Turn Up The Heat that is a little much for me,but when properly diluted,its hot.
my only problem with it is that it works on me with people i know, not with people im not close to .”androstenone (Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314) heavy mixes because they are going for a sexual mix.
the problem with androstenone to me is that its a very caveman/instant jerk feel to it. i get the feeling of cockiness, arrogance,i want you for 10 minutes and then go away.
**when you use pheromixes like instant shine , Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, CTTM, sunshine… these are the social “im fun your fun lets be fun together” mixes.
i want to chat you up this way.
im feelin ya,converation is happenin’, maybe we could hang in a more private place…this is when i would spring the Turn Up The Heat!
at this point Turn Up The Heat is interpreted as sexual tension, because it wasnt there before i met you. theres no “i was going to have sex with or without you”…
i hope i am comming across, i have trouble expressing my ideas when im excited on a topic! **”Turn Up The Heat (Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314) even though it went smoothly during conversation and now you are at a private place where both agreed to be? Maybe the girl wanted to have sex with the guy with Instant Shine signature and now that you are a guy with -none signature she doesn’t want to?? Ammunition (AMMO – Sexual Attraction Pheromone Cologne For Men - Alpha A314) was used instead of Turn Up The Heat in the private scenario, will that be perceived as lower and not enough sexual tension? Ammo (AMMO – Sexual Attraction Pheromone Cologne For Men - Alpha A314) for all i know may have more 'none in it than Turn Up The Heat. i dont know what it has, all i know is that i have the “shiny” version of it, and i think “player…hottie…fun…NOT just a friend…”
i still think Ammo has plenty if not ALOT of sexual tension,but it doesnt feel to me to be something only used for special situations.
remember too that these are just my experiences so i know other people dont have the same theories.
alot of this to me is timing, like you have dinner then dessert, instead of “lets have dessert and hopefully you’ll know i meant to offer dinner but i didnt think about it. hey,look! whipped cream!” ”Primal Instinct (Raw Power – Fierce Male Sexual Intensity - Alpha A314), Turn Up The Heat) seems to be enough to generate good feelings in them! Are they thinking sex, or are they thinking this is a fun guy to be around?Turn Up The Heat (Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314) feeling.
i think more credit should be placed on **you **as an individual,as a personality, and the pheromones just steered the direction somewhat.
men think women think like they do (which is natural as we do it too) so i would be thinking ,if i were a man, that i need to stop thinking she is thinking sex,especially if we just met, and think she is not in the same mental space. getting along with you on all other topics doesnt mean great she must want to have sex
had to say that, i know you dont think that! Turn up the heat worn to work (Turn up the heat worn to work)Turn Up The Heat (Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314) + Ammo. gets up and faints again
Justy, congrats on your first day! Let’s get you steered in the right direction.
Your lovergirl might have already felt strange that day, and the overpowering phero signature totally couldn’t have helped at all - it might have really driven in some discomfort.
Little did you know, that your phero signature hopped up on a soapbox, grabbed a loudspeaker, pointed at lovergirl’s face, shouted very loud and clear, “ME WANT SEX NOW.”
That is what a -none [Turn Up The Heat/'none communicate something like… leaving your pants unzipped and showing part of your penis. Some women, especially ovulating ones, ones on the prowl, 30+ single ladies, and the testosterone pumped horndog girls (there are some girls like that out there!), will be super aroused, giggly, and way into that.**
On the flipside, wear that same dose around a mommy, an married woman, someone who has very very strong/repressed social filters, and anyone who is in the middle of the wrong context (like at work or church) might hit you with their purse and call you a cad!” (Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314) (Pharmacodynamics - Wikipedia)Turn Up The Heat (Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314) users, I totally recommend tempering it with Shine (or other feel good phero blends). You’ll get a good feel of the energy and heat of Turn Up The Heat, and you’ll soon learn that it’s possible to wear it in an assortment of situations. Spend a week or two with is and see how it jibes with your body chemistry, and then you’ll have a really good idea of how it will work out and about.
You CAN use a smidge - and I’m talking smidge here - in casual situations.
Think of it this way. Turn Up The Heat**** says, “I’m going to have sex!”. You can wear too much and freak people out, OR you can wear a tiny dash, stir up some sexual mystique, and layer it with some feel good pheros so people associate feeling good and feeling aroused with you!**
Sound good? Give me a call if you have Qs.
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Timing is important. Associations are important…” (Pharmacodynamics - Wikipedia) (Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314) (Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314) (Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314)EST puts my man in the mood for love - #79 by tisha23 (EST puts my man in the mood for love - #79 by tisha23)OD (Pharmacodynamics - Wikipedia) on cops, you can however not use enough to evoke a response. While heavy Androstenone early is not sexual, heavy cops are.
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