can anybody give me a quike run down of different putatives ?
Here’s a start (taken from Diane’s Phero Notes Thread)
P74 – Promote empathy and attention.
P79 – Pheromone enhancer, intensifier, synergy; helps others speak their mind and act on their thoughts or feelings; also a mood and sensation intensifier, eliminates defeatest attitudes and negativity, grounded confidence – needs to be steered in appropriate way, since this will enhance any/all moods, including bad ones. Possible combo: P79+TAF+p93 to get things done. Also reported to have sexual vibe for some. Since it is an intensifier when paired with sex pheros it should do the trick. Very fickle molecule with instant changeability, so timing is crucial for wearing it.
P83 – chatty, sexy putative, known to diminish inhibitions, can make one nervous, but can be calmed with 4x P86 (1:4 ratio)).
P86 – Relaxing, Can be excessively sedating if not paired with something more aggressive. Kicks in at about 20 minutes. Can cause a “shallow Hal” effect of making normally unattractive people very attractive. Causes brightening of the visual field, similar to TAA. High dosage can cause mild amphetamine-like reactions in some people.
P87 – Anti-depressant mood lifter***.*** Causes lizard-like, complete emotional blunting, but intense focus on minute details. Very cerebral and very cold molecule.
P90 - this is a single molecule putative that causes extreme physical motivation to get things done. Great for large scale projects that don’t require a huge amount of attention to detail, like clearing out closets, or straightening up the garage. Effects last 8 hours or more. Can cause sleeplessness.
P91 - Cheerful, loving, happy molecule. Small dose goes a long way.
P93 – this is a single molecule pheromone that causes group motivation and participation, and work supportive of the wearer (great with A314 ). More caffein like self effects reported from males, attractive for women. Paired with TAF this is an incredible molecule for focusing on tasks that need to get done, making one tirelessly obsessed with order and cleanliness without a single bit of irritation. Very nice nesting molecule. Reported to be arousing for some women.
P96 ***- this single molecule promotes cheerfulness and good humor.
P100*** – focus and get things done, motivational, not irritated, just concentrating and getting it done, OCD deal closer for chores. Great paired with TAF for some. My personal experience is this is a little too much like an amphetamine and it has an extreme edginess and figgity feeling to it that I hate – too much like caffeine overdose. May be a sex-linked or genetic based difference, since others report only motivational effects.
P102 – up to 25.0 mcg promotes oral desires, like kissing. Between 25.0 and 50.0 mcg that desire turns to actual hunger for food. Increases non-visual sensuality, music appreciation.
P103 – Disinhibitor (37.5mcg), can be intoxicating and limiting to intellectual capabilities at doses higher than 25.0 mcg . Removes feelings of social isolation and inhibition. Can induce mindless happiness and total lack of censoring of conversation… but happily, rather than blurt out negative or damaging stuff. Can cause a nebulous, undefined hunger, if not sexually satisfied this turns into insatiable hunger for food.
P107 - causes amphetamine-like motivation. Can cause sleeplessness.
Putatives are in testing. Each user tests and reports on what they feel the putative does. Preconceived notions as to what they do only end up skewing that testing leading to poor test mixes and the lack of new mixes being released. They also can cause you to miss out and some fantastic molecules because there are those you will rule out from others reports.
One persons claim can be very different then others when it comes to these depending on age and gender as well. In fact quite a few of the advanced users didnt see those results listed above but something different. Dosent mean that persons info is wrong. There is no wrong in testing putatives. However those are self effects listed above not effects the molecule has on others. They are also mostly the results of a female over 40 with ADD. It can and is much different for a male in there 20’s without ADD. See my point. You need to look at the whole picture when it comes to putatives.
I know some of the new members dont want to spend money on something they are unsure of. That’s normal but that’s is why they ask that only the serious testers buy the advanced products. Its also why they are priced so high. What you should do is first use most the consumer products. Report on those good or bad. Once you start reporting if your interested in testing the putatives or mixes then ask Steve to be added to the reporting users list. Once your on this list you get huge discounts on the mixes and putatives and Androtics gets more accurate testing results.
Tisha
Please listen to Tisha guys, this is the most accurate info you’ll get regarding how to test putatives. I know it’s tedious, but in the end it’s worth it.
I was thinking on getting two of them, but not sure which combo, any suggestion ?
You kind of have to look at it as a combination of available tools (your pheromone range available), your mindset, and your social setting…
The social setting may be the biggest contributor, and often the least analysed part of the behaviors that are elicited…
Erving Goffman was a sociologist who probably did the best work of his generation in the analysis of how social setting shapes behavior… I’d maximally suggest reading Goffman’s classic, The Presentation Of Self In Everyday Life, followed by Interaction Ritual…
If Goffman had known about the existence of pheromones, I am sure he would have conducted a massive study on the impact of pheromones on social frames, interaction rituals, and the dramatization of the self.
The most interesting aspect of pheromones is that they may (in my experience DO) alter the social landscape in subtle ways, so that a behavior-self image set that may be overly rigid or overly determined in one setting may become more flexible…
The value of this increased flexibility (what the limbic mind is probably telling the pre-frontal cortex is now “normal” conduct) allows is more behavioral experimentation… the payoff being that one is exposed to a wider range of social learning experiences and one might be able to grow in ways that were difficult or hard to imagine before…
There can be downsides… if you aren’t used to having other open up and tell you their more personal material, say you were never considered a good listener type, you might be amazed, amused, horrified, or bored to tears when someone suddenly lets it all hang out for your consideration…
For the first time you might have to practice the diplomatic art of telling someone that they’ve crossed the TMI threshold and their fine grained details of personal existence aren’t all that damned interesting… you’d be… mmmm… initially surprised at how much absolutely petty, trivial, often ludicrous micro-crap has expanded into cosmic proportions in the back of many a distracted mind… beta-nol and crowded bars can be problematic this way… once, unwisely, I joined some friends at a bar when I was reeking of beta-nol… a little excesss application that I’d half forgottten about…
The folks at our table, being more chilled out, having well behaved attitudes towards bars and bar culture, were mostly eating ground cow flesh patties and maybe two rounds… curiously, at some distance a group of rowdy brit tourists who appeard to have very different cultural assumptions regarding intoxication, one could say, warmed to the occassion… one guy peeled off everything except his bright blue underwear and stood in the middle of his cluster, singing…
If you look at some of the journals people have kept here (especially the younger members) and read their very first couple posts then flash forward to their latest you can actually see the growth that has taken place. Not only in the way they report but in their “voice” and even in a lot of cases it seems their values even shift. Like you were saying it seems as if the use of these pheros expands ones context faster due to a whole grip of new experiences… as its been said before and what I have noticed recently people really do grow up fast in this forum.
I’ve noticed that growth, forward movement, whatever its’ called, has a lot to do with the capacity to be surprised. The opposite seems to hold too, people who are never surprised (they have a ready made explanation for everything), or their one degree more obdurate cousins, those people who refuse to be surprised… have the hardest time getting out of their shells and seeing the richness of life… dogma has accounted for all possibilities, so why bother to think ?
It’s really strange, too. Sometimes you meet people who are flexible in one set of patterns and absolutely fixated in another… there was this old geezer, just the most brilliant guy, taught generations of students the merits of open mindedness and discovery, and in some dimensions of his personality, was possessed by a stone headed idee fixe that he just could not distance himself from…
I tried to play with this and see if we could find some room to manoeuver, so in our seminar I applied a novel mix of meo-est, beta-nol, -rone, and possibly a little p74… to see if he’s loosen up around his pet theory…
He was a little thrown for a loop… all those estrogens coming at him from nowhere… was perfroming little mental cartwheels, you could see all sorts of waaaay back in the mind vibrational things twirling around… almost like part of him was beginning to question his pet theory-identity totem…
But then he’d come back to it with the determination of a political crank expounding on Purity Of Essence… still, there were moments when you could almost see his brainstem asking himself WTF am I talking about ?
I think it just goes to show that growth is always possible, no matter how far along you are in life there is always a propensity for change in ones life and perception. Even if its only recognizable by some for just a fleeting moment or two, it seems as if its ever present always there in the background ready to be noticed by those who are willing to take a second from their busy day to muse on all things possible. I like by the way your point of view on beta nol being used for deeper introspection it makes sense how it could facilitate in stopping to smell the roses as it were