Question about pheromones: Panty dropping mixes?

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Are there any pheromone combinations that will make a girl in a club start making out with me, and then tell me she wants to have sex with me? (and of course follow through with it)

Or even just her telling me she wants to have sex with me would be sufficient (and following through with it)

So far I think wearing Ammo + IS + P83 in a club is a good start

Other options I have to add to that are:
IH IO A314b spray TUTH IG

I suspect IH + TUTH might go well in that mix for my stated desires

I shall have to have a good look through all the SNL reports and see what they where wearing at the time too!

I also read a very long time ago about catlords Panty Scorcher mix

I am pretty damn interested in anything anyone knows about getting some pheromones close to my stated goals above :wink: :smiley: Cheers thanks

Note: I’ve done a number of SNLs and fast SNLs if thats of any relevance

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On Daygame D2s I usually change my mones to less IShine and more -None when le sexy time arrives. You may try Tuth instead of Ammo and maybe try to leave the IShine out (or if it fits your personality, add A314 - it should rock hard in such an environment where you can show that you stand out of the crowd). If it doesn’t work, you should add it again.
P83 sounds like a good idea altho it never worked for me.
Are you also daygaming or is a club the only place where you approach girls? I am sure there is quite some stuff in common with the mones that can be used except that in clubs you can use -None with less buffers.

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Any gaming at all has been pretty rare for me lately as I’m currently focussed on stabilising on no-cigarettes, and then after that dropping some weight and some other things

However whats rare for me is probably still alot more than the non-phero non-PUA population

It was about a month ago I last approached a chick during daygame

And about 7 days ago when I went out not interested in meeting women but as my friend had already opened some by the time I arrived I thought ok here goes “turn it on”

I currently plan on going to the clubs about once a month

So yeah will probably be looking for a club mix

I really should be more patient and allow sex to occur on a day 2 or even date 3, however a while ago during goal setting I set one of my goals to be able to go from meet to sex with a HB9 in like 5 minutes lol

and even though it is completely unneccessary, that stupid goal is still stuck in my head for some reason

Thankfully I have pulled off a number of super fast SNLs including from meet to sex in about 5 minutes at a nightclub

That makes alot of sense to me to go less shine and more -none for a day 2 when sexy time is likely to occur

So yes currently I will be doing only club game, though I will be going there if its enjoyable and doing what I find enjoyable and if the women come along for that good but I wont be doing much work for them

THOUGH if I am out and about running an errand during the day and I spot a SHB then I will approach her, I will not have been able to have put on my pheromones beforehand though

I do this after going to the post office theres was a freakin gorgeous chick there…who i commented about the weather with lol

after that i remembered that every month theres at least 1 damn fine honey around as I go about my normal business, and if I PUA 10 of them I’m bound to be banging some SHB by then

So the last daytime chick was just a SHB who was around as I was out buying some stuff I needed to buy

This Quick Report: P83. IS. TUTH. IG was about 7 days ago, just went out to catch up with a friend

So yeah im gonna go with women if its easy and fun, and pheromones usually do make it easier and enjoyable, but im not interested in doing that whole 3 nights a week sarging huge amount of effort lots of PUA drills etc thing that I’ve already done plenty of in the past

Preferably the easier the better =) Hence panty dropper mix, a mix that makes them make out with me and ask to have sex with me, doesnt get any easier than that

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If only there was a mix that MADE women make out with you and ask to have sex with you, mones are not mind control, they signal attractive and unattractive traits about our health, personality and state of mind to peoples subconscious mind ant then its up to the target concious mind wether they react or not.

If your want to go from meeting to sex in 5 mins get a hooker because any girl that would be willing to do that would be just that a Hooker.

I find that for club game, I get best results when I where a combo in 2 stages, first I where a social/sexy rapport building mix like 2.5mcg p75 + 20-30mcg p74 and when me and my target are comfortable enough together and a strong connection is made, I hit her with something disinhibiting and sexually overt such as 30mcg p83 + 2 sprays TUTH.

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The short answer to both questions is No.

Pheromones do not make people do anything they dont want to or anything thats not within there nature.

Now this is not to say that a girl in a club will never make out with you or have sex with you or that mones wont help you. They can make you more appealing so if its within a womens nature to be that forward then she may act on those feelings the mones are signaling more readily. They wont “Make her” do it though.

Keep in mind women and men think differently when it comes to arousal and sex. Arousing us is not enough really.

See men sense someone that arouses them, they pursue her, they have sex and in most cases that act makes them feel somewhat connected to the person.

Women sense someone that arouses us, we entice him, we develop a connection to him (because we are more emotion driven) then we act on that arousal.

Arousal in itself is not enough to inspire sex for females. I guess thats the way nature intended it or we would all be rutting all over the place like animals in heat. Although technically we are animals we have evolved past that point. While instinct is still a part of our nature our intelligence and emotions still control it.

5 minutes is really not enough to develop a connection with women on the street unless your looking for a hooker. Your 5 minute goal is going to be tough in that environment. Clubs would be easier simply because the mindset is more on hooking up there.

I would say pheronmonally that TUTH + IH + P83 would be a good combo to bring you closer to your goals.

I am not judging here or trying to insult you. Its hard to express what I want to convey without coming off that way though. You live your life as you see fit but consider this… Sex is just a part of human interaction and that human interaction… the chase, the dance, the pursuit is what makes reaching your goal more fulfilling and worthwhile. Its what makes us human. Its what creates the difference between just ejaculating which pretty much any animal can do and having great sex.

My suggestion is if anyone wants to have easy sex with no intellectual or emotional effort buy a jenna jamison doll. Humans, at least the majority of them are much more complex.

Before you think I am being prudish or am against PUA’s, I am not. I just believe that things that come easy are seldom as rewarding as those you have to put some effort into and humans both male and females deserve effort. Lack of effort equates with lack of worth to me. Not just the worth of the pursued but the worth of the pursuer. JMO.

Tisha

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Bearing in mid Tisha’s excellent advice above, the mixes that have got me the most physical attention in the shortest possible time in a club scenario are A314/TUTH, A314/IJ (with and without P83) then MX297/TUTH (or plain Andostenone) and the most perfunctory of all was A314 SBE and TUTH, which has had me straddled by a total stranger and my mouth put to uses other than speaking and a brief six-word coversation, before we headed to her’s.

Also the late lamented MX301, Alter Ego (“find somewhere to stop the car, please!”) and NPA/IH/P74, often involving P83 or P103 as a secondary.

Now I’m not saying that the mixes were entirely responsible - the women concerned undoubtedly had some degree of attraction, or a desire for sex to begin with but I do feel the pheros did make things a lot easier . Another thing to bear in mind was that most were 30+, so probably more tuned-in to overt mixes and more comfortable with expressing more direct sexuality.

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I did have a fleeting moment when making my original post that it is possible the post could be taken as just a little bit offensive to at least some women which I do apologise for, though Tisha you dont seem offended you’re just giving your honest and appreciated feedback

I absolutely do see alot of worth in women regardless of whether or not they have sex with me

That said sometimes I gotta take care of business and that means an effective way for me to have sex and currently as I am under alot of stress I am not willing to undergo “work” for it, which is not really to reflect in the value part of it

But rather what I am trying to capture is those times when you and the women simply really enjoy eachothers company…and have sex :slight_smile:

Thanks for the excellent advice Tisha

Most interesting to me was how you said "
Women sense someone that arouses us, we entice him, we develop a connection to him (because we are more emotion driven) then we act on that arousal."

I’ve been looking at the male and female sexual processes for a long time because it seems god gave us some interesting differences there

20 minutes is also ok, in fact if I genuinely really enjoy the womans company then the whole night and no sex is also ok

Well I did accomplish that 5 minute goal with a lady who wasnt a hooker, also 10 minutes to sex, 30 minutes to sex, 1 hour etc. So what can I say, already done it with women who werent hookers, so it therefore cannot be required that they be hookers :slight_smile:

That said thanks for the second part of your great advice, regarding initially having a social sexual mix, and after you and her have enough comfort with eachother and good rapport, then you hit her with some P83 and TUTH

In my mind that kind of system would really work well

In fact I’m going to divide this into two tracks, the insta-sex, which may not be all that realistic, or track two just going for a social sexy mix and vibing with some women and after we’ve been hanging out together for long enough (that night) spray on an IS top-up, some TUTH and P83. I was going to make a separate thread about that

I was going to start another thread about the best way to bring your topup pheromones with you (as I suspect I would like to be able to re-apply IS, TUTH and P83, but 3 ToGos in my pocket could be annoying)

I have to be honest, I really really liked it those times when super hot women would just have sex with me, really quickly, with no effort on my part, and just enjoyment all the way through. and I really do remember them very fondly

For whatever reason at stages in my life I do all the whole chasing thing, including chasing a marriage-interest woman for a VERY long time, but usually I dont really like doing all that chasing stuff, I like them to chase me instead :slight_smile:

I try to give women self worth based on things I find really interesting about them, or if I know her better, based on things that I really think are valuable in her, most recently I met a woman who was really intelligent which I complimented her about

So far I’ve learnt I really should be putting IH in my mix, because building a good connection with the woman is really important right?

TUTH + IH + P83 is really interesting as thats sex, + connection, + disinhibition

Thinking back to the times when I did fast SNL, I was indeed master of the connection, and able to intuitively and immediately speed through the dance with amazing connectivity

Ammo + IS + P83 + IH + TUTH <– That is now what I am thinking of wearing

1spray TUTH
1spray Ammo
around 30mcg of P83 (possibly upto 45mcg)
I guess a double dose of IH would be good
and my old favorite, 4 sprays of double-strength IS… I know, I always overdo the IS lol

Then as for the pheromones I take with my to re-apply in the club, I want my old favorite IS, plus TUTH and P83, but now im thinking I need IH too lol

I really gotta work out how to premix some stuff so I only have to carry two ToGo bottles

Mobocaster that is interesting to see the A314 + TUTH strike again, the clubs I go to are mainly the 18-25 crowd though, as I am aware that is abit different than mixes that hit mostly 30+

Thanks ppl, I’ve got afew things to think about!!

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Why not try building a more solid attraction/bonding mix? Try 3 sprays each of IO and IH to the wrists (CTTM2 substitute) and 2.5 mcg of P75 to the neck. You can repeat the IO and IH after 3 hours. Don’t be underwhelmed by the simplicity of this. It’s better than you may think.

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Yes it could make more sense to begin the night with an application of IO + IH and some more social pheromones (such as adding in P75 as you suggested, thought I’m not to sure yet what P75 does only read afew posts on it so far)

  • just 1 single spray of Ammo as the base for the sexual/attraction signature of the mix

Then with a highly social and chatty, bonding but still sexually attractive mix I spend the beginning of the night talking with many, bonding with some of them, and developing that social circle where more women will hang out with you throughout the night

Then later on when the time is right, apply some P83 and TUTH, I will probably notice when it seems like some women are sending me signals

To be honest I might try this approach if the first approach doesnt work out well for me

Being a social magnet would be good, because lots of women would be around me, and then I can apply the sexual -mones later on, once one of them starts being interested in me “in that way”

Heck I could even wear:
1spray 2X IO
1spray 2X IH
1spray Ammo
1spray TUTH
30mcg P83
4sprays 2X IS

I just hope that wouldnt be phero-bombing myself though

Now if I wanted to re-apply that above mix 3 hours into the night theres no way I could carry 6 ToGOs with me. I really think 2 small spray bottles, one in each front pocket, is a comfortable maximum for me

Can I just take this pocket atomizer I have, and spray in:
TUTH
P83
IS
IH

shake it all up and spray it on my self as a re-application at the club?

EDIT:
Just thinking about the previous posts, I think I really need to work on the Connection partition, theres definately something there I’m not “Getting” (as in “I get it”) yet :slight_smile:

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Yes, once you have a proven mix/dose it is quite possible to spray-up a mix in a togo to see you across a weekend or similar. Wouldn’t do it for more than a couple of days worth though.

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Thanks

So what do you do, just use mathematics to work out how much of each product you want in each spray from the pocket atomizer, and then spray the right number of sprays of each product into the pocket atomizer, shake it all together and then at the club I can use my one bottle to reapply my pheros to myself?

This does get abit tricky before I’ve worked out the optimal dosages of each, because I might make a mix that has for each spray of TUTH it also has 30mcg of P83, a shot of double-strength IS, and a shot of double-strength IH

but then what if I find it appropriate in the social/sexual situation to apply another dose of TUTH!! I dont want 60mcg of P83 lol

Or what if I want to only top up a spray of IS midway through the night…

It would be nice if I could just take the entire androtics product line in a miniature cigarette-case or something lol because another factor is theres no point planning my mix here at home, when I’m out in the crowd I will be able to tell whats best for me to spray on given the situation and whats around me

When I went out last I had no intention of even talking to any women (unless it just happened), I had no idea my friend would have some ready by the time I got there lol

I recall a number of times being in a club and there is very evident a single hot woman there, revving up 1-3 guys, and its clear to me at least she looks like she wants to go home with one of them, you never see a woman like that every time you go out though

If I was in a club and saw a hot woman who is clearly selecting a man to go home with, then obviously I could just apply some P83 + TUTH and off I go (and IH as Tisha suggested, so many women have told me about this emotional connection thing in one varied way or other, yet I dont think it goes through my thick head lol)

EDIT:
So how would you recommend preparing a mix of Pheros to go into one spray bottle mobocaster?

I’ve just had a look at these bottles and probably carrying 3 of them would be ok

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If you have on too many items, the compass needle, instead of pointing north, will start spinning in circles. You will also be spending, perhaps needlessly, quite a bit on each mix. The 3-4 sprays (equal amounts of each OR 3-4 sprays IO and 2-3 IH) promote a certain euphoria and bonding that is not easy to paint a picture of in a few sentences. Using more IH than this can turn rather Beta. Adding the P75 creates some cool vibe sexuality that is also not easy to describe. Let me try: James Bond throws a pool party for semi-naked college girls with free vodka jello shots. Your mileage may vary, depending on just how James Bondy You are.

Let me try this: Ever met any girls who like to go raver and trip out, spinning in circles to high-energy music? Ever heard of this thing? Some girls love to get dissociative and trippy. Not all, some. It may or may not be a good idea, but it is a cultural truth.

If you are lucky–very lucky–a selected number of girls will like this strongly enough that sometime that evening or perhaps after a few dates and uses…not in 15 minutes (drive-thru/fast-food sex), you’ll have the chance to apply maybe some TUTH. That might just close the deal. I’m not explicitly putting AMMO or other socials in, because there’s already a huge scoop of ANOL and BNOL buffering. This is basically a variant on Spaceland and CTTM2. What you’re aiming for is the party effect of the high ANOL as well as the bonding of the BNOL. It can be hard hitting and at times crushy with the P75. You can try swapping out TUTH for P75 at 2.5 mcg, you can use both together, or up them to 5 mcg. with permutations in between. Get ready to spend three months testing this…if you’re Really earnest about enjoying the potential.

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I could be into that

Your mix sounds like a great mix, but it sounds like the mix that works for you, not the mix that would work for me, I’m not about to spend 3 months testing it lol

I don’t have any P75 though I could acquire some after reading some more about it, have only seen a handful of posts on it so far

Yes I’ve met some of those dissociative and trippy girls at raves

I enjoyed the weird/funny effects of phero-bombing myself with IS, though I would hardly use it as my go-to mix for pickin up lol

15 minutes (drive-thru/fast-food sex) is not “fast food” sex. I’ve had some great sex that initiated very quickly

I’m really quite happy with the idea of TUTH + P83 + IH and my old favorite IS as I think thats really what I need and works well for me

I might apply the Ammo though instead of TUTH, and maybe only apply the TUTH abit later on (after bonding with a girl, apply some TUTH + P83, and I always like throwing some IS in there for good measure)

Yes there needs to be some sensible direction with the mix

Ammo + IS + P83 seems like something that would just work well with/for me, and I’m convinced to throw some IH in there too

As for carrying some items with me to the club to re-apply I think it should be TUTH, IS, P83 and IH.

I think I will try it at least once carrying 4 bottles around with me, cant hurt to try, I’m leaving out carrying Ammo around with me too as I guess TUTH will do (IS, P83, IH should be plenty of buffering and steering for it anyway)

Considering the large number of times I’ve sealed the deal on the same day, I dont think I should have a problem doing it again. Except that I’m pretty fat right now, and wasnt back then. hmm

However for things like 5 minutes, that aint gonna happen today, I mean for that to happen I had to be on top of the world, anxiety free, master of my domain, heaps and heaps of good and fantastic feel good emotions flowing throughout my body i.e. in very good state. And being able to be in very good Tune with the woman.

At the moment im pretty stressed out and lacking many of the elements in myself that where present when I did all the really fast SNLs

But same night? shouldnt be a problem

If it doesnt work out for me though I’ll just start going to day 2’s or something

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Yes, once you have your mix, you just spray-in the appropriate number of sprays for the time you might use it and away you go. Finding it is another thing, you do need to do the basics to get your doses/proportions first, no way round that really, so its another reason not to mix for more than a night or two at a time, that way if you change its no great waste.

I would probably carry TUTH and IS separately as IS needs topping-up more frequently than many other pheros and I tend to ramp-up the TUTH as the night goes-on and the interaction gets more sexual, again time and practice will let you know when. Secondaries like P83 etc rarely need topping-up in an evening, unless you go for a full-on freshen-up and 60mcg would still be in the useful zone with something overt like TUTH but maybe a bit much for a social. Also, try to avoid overcomplication to begin with - you can end up with too many common components doubled up and others driven back in the mix. If you are looking for a fast response, then straightforward/simple and direct mixes are the way to go. Complex and nuanced mixes are more for targeting individuals in relationship building.

I do use a cigarette tin that holds five togos perfectly, although I often have a couple of others in my pocket and maybe a few more in my crash bag along with a change of clothes and other stuff, in the car if I’m driving. The last arsehole that broke into my car got away with a nice little phero stash! :angry: Another thing worth considering is carrying something different altogether. eg One night I met one woman with a light social/engaging mix and we ended-up having quite a night at a party. The next morning, I washed and put on a status/sexy mix whilst she slept and by the time she woke-up, I’d left the party with another woman altogether. Woman 1 later turned out to be a socials girl who would become cowed and wholly unresponsive to status mixes

I see that pretty much every time I go out - and its usually a situation to avoid. I don’t do the competition thing as generally you know pretty fast if someone is likely to leave with you or not, so if not move-on, don’t become a sideshow for them.

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I like the idea of carrying IS and TUTH separately as yes, I’m thinking I would want a little IS topup hours before wanting to re-apply some of the other -mones and of course being able to dial up TUTH separately is very useful

I might have to get myself a nice little carry case! Are you able to order your one online at all?

May the guy that stole your stash repeatedly OD on -none lol

I think I might like to turn up to the same women with a drastically different phero signature just to mess with them! If I’m feeling like it that night

I did a nice pickup one night offering to buy the girls and all her friends drinks, as at the time the bar manager said I could get a free drink + free drinks for any women I brought to the bar with me. So they where all excited and I brought them to the bar, ordered 3 vodka shots (there where about 4-5 women though and me) downed all 3 vodka shots in front of them and walked away

Earlier that night I had been pretty persistent in definately wanting to pick up that night, telling women I had vodka in my car and lets go back and drink some [for free]. It didnt hit, it didnt end up happening

Then as nothing happened at some point I just thought “Fuck It’ I dont care anymore, I could not give two shits about picking up anymore”

And I genuinely and honestly could not give two shits about picking up anymore, and was just having the most freakin enjoyable conversation with my friend at the bar ever and my state was going through the roof then one of the women earlier who I had walked off from after buying only myself a drink was eyeing me… and we ended up going back to my car, having some vodka, and having sex on the back seat, then walking back into the club

Funnily enough quite afew other times of trying to pickup and then (and this is key) genuinely 100% forgetting about it and not giving a shit, I would suddenly pick up lol

But I could not of course just talk myself into not caring about picking up (at that stage in my PUA history) I only picked up when it definately did happen that I stopped caring

Regarding the pheromone mix, yes I dont want it to be too overcomplicated.

I think at this stage a good plan is:

Before going out apply:
1spray Ammo
2sprays IH
30mcg P83
4sprays double-strength IS.

And keep in my pocket:
IS
TUTH
P83
IH

Sound good?

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That mix looks good but that’s a lot of IS. Into the crash zone - You could feel pretty grim and burned out after a few hours, esp if topups are involved. As a rule of thumb, I work with 2 sprays IS to each spray IH and I like that combo a lot - Its a much higher quality, direct and to the point alternative to IO that with the right direction often gets women telling you all their little sex secrets and loving every moment of it! :wink: IS/IH also complements A314 beautifully and does not weaken it like IO can.

Also remember that over the evening, your socials are liable to degrade to none and other stuff - this can impact on your choice (and strength) of refresh, topups etc and more generally you don’t usually need as much on topup as your original application - unless its a full freshen up and some women do go-on a man that does that (think how often a woman will have a quick wash/skoosh/clean her teeth before you get together) IME, although you are on the right line with the mix - Ammo is a good start for the early part of an evening and will provide moderation as you gradually increase the overtness of the mix as time goes on. :slight_smile:

Try a search in here - I’ve seen quite a few good looking suggestions for carry cases posted before.

Given the nature of the pubs in that area where someone might unload stolen goods, it would only need one OD. I did hope he did exactly that! :angry: :smiley:

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I might reduce the dose of IS particularly as I can now top-up IS while I’m there

Im even thinking of not wearing -mones, arriving at the club and talking to women for abit, then going into the bathroom and putting on my first application of -mones and looking at the difference now when I go out and chat up women

I will do a forum search for orderable carry cases, I can empty some of my 30ml IS into my old empty IS ToGO etc but I dont have a P83 togo, so will have to use a pocket atomizer for that

This is looking good, if I can fit 4-5 togos into a comfy in jeans pocket smallish cigarette-case-like carry case then that will be excellent, I might not apply anything until I get there and decide whats appropriate

I am thinking of putting some A314 on my lower back just for the other guys to smell so they can f** off

Regarding cleanliness, I usually remember to bring some gum or other mouth freshener tabs in my pocket so I have a fresh mouth for making out, and some lip balm as my lips get dry easily

I’m feeling really pleased about this mix: TUTH + P83 + IH + IS, except I will be wearing Ammo early in the evening with or without a TUTH spray

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Rather than no pheros at all, I’d rather start a night with a broader, more sexy/social sig - which is what you are at with your Ammo/IS/IH/P83, or a very social mix (esp around a younger crowd), then let that do its work for a while before increasing the overtness.

When I’m out with A314/TUTH or similar, I’m generally going straight into the fray in a club and the A314/TUTH combo does best with a smaller amount of TUTH as you are using it to steer the A314 rather than as a primary. Although sometimes I have increased it later but usually when I’ve indentified a none-hog. Most usually I don’t need to top-up this one up at all. A none-based oil like AE or Alpha 7 can be a superb accompaniment to A314 here, again the diffusion and longevity match A314 very nicely.

Rather than buying lots of drinks, which often lands you with a freeloader, offering a mint/stick of gum can be a superb opener and I can’t count the number of times a woman has opened on me by asking if I had any. Always have some with you. :wink:

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What I meant was walking into the club with no pheromones and perhaps for 20 minutes or however long gaming the club, then 30 minutes in scurrying off to apply the IS + Ammo + P83 + IH

Mainly just to see the differences in the club with and without the -mones

I think I would find it an interesting experiment

Would mean I would need to carry around 5 togos with me though. Doing a forum search it appears Altoids tins could be good to carry them in

I really like the self effects of A314

Regarding buying women drinks in clubs, its pretty much a waste of time and money if you’re thinking it has anything at all to do with “getting you sex”.

Women don’t want to be bought lots of drinks and then feel like she “owes” (or he expects she owes) him sex or something.

I find much better results simply buying myself drinks

Its pretty standard PUA advice not to buy women drinks

and never give anything away that you’re not willing to give away for free, if you buy someone a drink they dont owe you something, its just like shouting your mate a drink

The gum opener sounds good, I like having gum with me so I can freshen my breath, sometimes abit of dehydration, mixed in with some vodka, and hours dancing, can lead to some less than good breath

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Whenever I wear tuth in the bedroom at say 1/2 spray my SO comes on to me and is frisky in her approach.

Younger women like less like 1/2 spray, older women like cougars 1-2 sprays.

Higher doses always put me in a bad mood, and get aggressive reactions from men.