Trust Comfort Connection Rapport with women

[GetTheEdge]

Hi,

I just realised spending some more time with a woman, and developing more rapport, trust comfort and connection with her, will be beneficial in helping me get over my anxiety, and for example not feel anxiety/be able to make a move when she comes onto me, or when I come onto her

So it would actually benefit me quite alot to wear some IH, and spend more time getting to know her and developing some more comfort with her, building our rapport etc

(Currently with the amount of stress I am under I would prefer it to be really slow in developing a real emotional connection with her Though at the time I did really fast SNLs I was a very open person and would make connections with everyone really fast, and indeed was able to go deep with them fast too

You could say that right now I am pretty closed off, and prefer it that way.)

Now apparently this mirrors a womans sexual process, which is good because its always better when you and her are in sync

i.e.
With my panty dropper thread at Question about pheromones: Panty dropping mixes? I would still wear

Ammos + IS + 30mcg P83 + IH

but then as I’m hanging out with a woman maybe even topup with 1spray IO + 2sprays IH (I usually like to throw 1 spray of IS into everything for good measure too)

and try to direct things into the building more comfort rapport trust etc stage

THEN later after that apply some TUTH + P83, What do you think about this?

[dsouza]

@GetTheEdge

Hi,

I just realised spending some more time with a woman, and developing more rapport, trust comfort and connection with her, will be beneficial in helping me get over my anxiety, and for example not feel anxiety/be able to make a move when she comes onto me, or when I come onto her

So it would actually benefit me quite alot to wear some IH, and spend more time getting to know her and developing some more comfort with her, building our rapport etc

(Currently with the amount of stress I am under I would prefer it to be really slow in developing a real emotional connection with her Though at the time I did really fast SNLs I was a very open person and would make connections with everyone really fast, and indeed was able to go deep with them fast too

You could say that right now I am pretty closed off, and prefer it that way.)

Now apparently this mirrors a womans sexual process, which is good because its always better when you and her are in sync

i.e.
With my panty dropper thread at Question about pheromones: Panty dropping mixes? I would still wear

Ammos + IS + 30mcg P83 + IH

but then as I’m hanging out with a woman maybe even topup with 1spray IO + 2sprays IH (I usually like to throw 1 spray of IS into everything for good measure too)

and try to direct things into the building more comfort rapport trust etc stage

THEN later after that apply some TUTH + P83, What do you think about this?

Watch out you might be friended first!!

[GetTheEdge]

@dsouza

Watch out you might be friended first!!

How might this happen? I dont get it

I would like more beautiful women friends anyway, thats always a good thing

I’m always teaching other PUAs to make more women friends

and thankfully I’m at the point now where I can really enjoy good women friends, and not have to have sex or anything

You know how you make friends with guys, cos for some reason you like being friends with them, I like to make friends with women who I just feel like I like being friends with

Now, we still gotta workout a good panty scorcher mix though 'cos GetTheEdge still gotta be able to take care of business and get sex when he needs sex

I think if I keep some sexual steering molecules in there while we are in rapport comfort connection trust etc phase then it will become a sexual connection. e.g. Summer Ammo, I dunno really, havent really thought about precisely which -mones I would wear but obviously IH would be in there for the connection part

[KIMBA]

Hello Edge. A couple questions first.

1. Are you a ‘community’ guy?
2. Which PUA’s have you learned from?
3. What style game do you have?

Why does this matter in a Mone thread? Great question. I am on the ball tonight. Just went sarging, had a girl vomit, and got into an Amog war with four stoned dudes over said girl (Before she barfed) and she was not even my target, her friend was. Alas, they were each others ride and I had to handle logistics. But I digress.

Trust, Connection and Rapport in PUA are handled as individual topics under the old MM system. The first problem with this is he isolates then in stages because Mystery, if you ever see him in field, cant really connect with a girl. It is almost unreal how little he cares for the women he is picking up. He needs to systematically create Trust, Comfort and Rapport through techniques. Lets be honest, 99% of guys do not.

I say, look to Sinn for a more sufficient PUA model. He teaches Comfort is a cyclical phase, along with Breaking Rapport (Attraction). A normal dude naturally asks qualifying questions (What do you do for fun?; Can you Cook?; etc.). The normal guy digs deeper and builds a surface level connection. This is Rapport. The process of asking these questions is Rapport. Deeper Rapport is achieved in the process of going deeper into conversational threads.

A person naturally trusts you more as you share more about yourself and then reciprocates the process. Rapport check, Trust check. Trust is strengthened by qualification, compliance and movement. The level of comfort is easily achieved by removing a lack of comfort and anxiety about the given situation. Handle your logistics and lead, boom, comfort is achieved.

In practical terms, this can really take minutes. It is like going to a therapist. After introductions are exchanged a great therapist has you spilling your beans through finely crafted questions in such a time span. You can do.

Slowing down the process HURTS the PUA adventure, if you will.

I am going to break this down further. All PUA methods focus on a few minute approach before attraction. Lovesystem’s has an Open and a Transition. MM has an Opinion opener which is used to get a short conversation about an interesting topic for about 30 seconds to a minute, and you still wait two minutes before jumping into ‘attraction’. Brad P. has a longer approach with a spike of intrigue followed by a short qualification before any BR (Breaking Rapport). Even at such a point ‘Attraction’ most of the time is DHV’ing, and it is not breaking rapport. Breaking Rapport (Neg, Tease, Disqualify, Arguing, Mocking, Take Aways, Backturns, etc.) is used to spike and solidify attraction and Rapport.

The key which 99% of PUA’s FAIL to teach is that you must have a surface level of social comfort to continue. Something only I teach is the framing of that you MUST have some comfort to have attraction. Sinn and AFC Adam use the system of social comfort, but it is highly misunderstood.

When you Game, Cold Reading, DHV, Story Telling, and Pebbles are all Comfort techniques. That is the point you can break rapport. In and of itself, if you BR and she sticks around, she is socially in comfort.

You then jump into the standard comfort phase. But the Trust and Comfort is really already handled through qualification. You establish a connection then. A great PUA does not need mones to create a connection. Nor does the normal guy. I would go as far to say if you cant connect with a person you have some type of issue that I cannot address. The community definition of Comfort is Rapport. That stage is the longest because she needs to trust you enough to sleep with you.

When you have a SNL, she trusts you enough to do so.

This brings me to the point of this PUA thread on I on. The more you BR, the more you run attraction Game, the more she will give you for comfort. She funnels and chases into you.

Practically, when you build up tension in a serious conversation then tease her, she gives you more information and qualifies herself as a result, increasing Rapport.

I needed to make this point before I dive into a Mone point, because when you use IH, it does help you connect faster, but at the same time, it also shortens how long she will allow you to connect before it becomes a friend zone situation.

When I run IH, I have a super short Comfort Phase. I jump into Seduction FAST. Trust is most of the game, and streamlining it with great comfort skills and mones you hurt what you are going for.

IH will allow you to have a deeper and better connection, but keep in mind that you need to BR and do more attraction stuff cyclically to get deeper and keep her interested.

Another issue I see which screams ‘red flag’ is the use of you using mones to mirror her process. In PUA, the top level guys get FAST SNL’s because they see where the woman is at. Pegging yourself into a role which is not congruent screws up your night. If you are super deep and high status guy (2x IH and 2 drops A314) a women who is in the seduction phase will dismiss you. Some women do not need that comfort in such a high degree.

I have met MORE women who need sex to connect with a guy than those who need a guy to get to know them. Sex is a very intimate act and it builds more comfort, rapport and connection than anything else you can do.

If you want a great connection before sex you can potentially miss out on a lot of great women. Often a woman will not reveal her true self before she sleeps with you as she is still ‘Gaming’ you, if you will flatter me and look at it like that.

If you really want that connection with a woman, it is different than spending more time with her. I can suggest a few great emotional concepts to get to know a woman and connect in a ‘love’ type of situation, but realistically that is different than where you seem to be at.

Onto a mix to slow down the candle and comfort process so you can get to know her more.

The key is qualification. You can stretch hoop theory out quite a bit by digging deeper on your hoops. To get a person to qualify you need to be higher value. So A314 would work. To get her to open up to a high status guy, IH is essential to this process.

Bear in mind, that if you go this route you need to be congruent with it and go after that type of woman.

Two types of attraction exist, intrigue and emotional. Great PUA’s stimulate both, for a slower burn emotional process you want to focus on Intrigue attraction so she wants to get to know you and be apart of your life.

Just my opinion buddy.

[GetTheEdge]

@KIMBA

Hello Edge. A couple questions first.

1. Are you a ‘community’ guy?
2. Which PUA’s have you learned from?
3. What style game do you have?

Why does this matter in a Mone thread? Great question. I am on the ball tonight. Just went sarging, had a girl vomit, and got into an Amog war with four stoned dudes over said girl (Before she barfed) and she was not even my target, her friend was. Alas, they were each others ride and I had to handle logistics. But I digress.

Trust, Connection and Rapport in PUA are handled as individual topics under the old MM system. The first problem with this is he isolates then in stages because Mystery, if you ever see him in field, cant really connect with a girl. It is almost unreal how little he cares for the women he is picking up. He needs to systematically create Trust, Comfort and Rapport through techniques. Lets be honest, 99% of guys do not.

I say, look to Sinn for a more sufficient PUA model. He teaches Comfort is a cyclical phase, along with Breaking Rapport (Attraction). A normal dude naturally asks qualifying questions (What do you do for fun?; Can you Cook?; etc.). The normal guy digs deeper and builds a surface level connection. This is Rapport. The process of asking these questions is Rapport. Deeper Rapport is achieved in the process of going deeper into conversational threads.

A person naturally trusts you more as you share more about yourself and then reciprocates the process. Rapport check, Trust check. Trust is strengthened by qualification, compliance and movement. The level of comfort is easily achieved by removing a lack of comfort and anxiety about the given situation. Handle your logistics and lead, boom, comfort is achieved.

In practical terms, this can really take minutes. It is like going to a therapist. After introductions are exchanged a great therapist has you spilling your beans through finely crafted questions in such a time span. You can do.

Slowing down the process HURTS the PUA adventure, if you will.

I am going to break this down further. All PUA methods focus on a few minute approach before attraction. Lovesystem’s has an Open and a Transition. MM has an Opinion opener which is used to get a short conversation about an interesting topic for about 30 seconds to a minute, and you still wait two minutes before jumping into ‘attraction’. Brad P. has a longer approach with a spike of intrigue followed by a short qualification before any BR (Breaking Rapport). Even at such a point ‘Attraction’ most of the time is DHV’ing, and it is not breaking rapport. Breaking Rapport (Neg, Tease, Disqualify, Arguing, Mocking, Take Aways, Backturns, etc.) is used to spike and solidify attraction and Rapport.

The key which 99% of PUA’s FAIL to teach is that you must have a surface level of social comfort to continue. Something only I teach is the framing of that you MUST have some comfort to have attraction. Sinn and AFC Adam use the system of social comfort, but it is highly misunderstood.

When you Game, Cold Reading, DHV, Story Telling, and Pebbles are all Comfort techniques. That is the point you can break rapport. In and of itself, if you BR and she sticks around, she is socially in comfort.

You then jump into the standard comfort phase. But the Trust and Comfort is really already handled through qualification. You establish a connection then. A great PUA does not need mones to create a connection. Nor does the normal guy. I would go as far to say if you cant connect with a person you have some type of issue that I cannot address. The community definition of Comfort is Rapport. That stage is the longest because she needs to trust you enough to sleep with you.

When you have a SNL, she trusts you enough to do so.

This brings me to the point of this PUA thread on I on. The more you BR, the more you run attraction Game, the more she will give you for comfort. She funnels and chases into you.

Practically, when you build up tension in a serious conversation then tease her, she gives you more information and qualifies herself as a result, increasing Rapport.

I needed to make this point before I dive into a Mone point, because when you use IH, it does help you connect faster, but at the same time, it also shortens how long she will allow you to connect before it becomes a friend zone situation.

When I run IH, I have a super short Comfort Phase. I jump into Seduction FAST. Trust is most of the game, and streamlining it with great comfort skills and mones you hurt what you are going for.

IH will allow you to have a deeper and better connection, but keep in mind that you need to BR and do more attraction stuff cyclically to get deeper and keep her interested.

Another issue I see which screams ‘red flag’ is the use of you using mones to mirror her process. In PUA, the top level guys get FAST SNL’s because they see where the woman is at. Pegging yourself into a role which is not congruent screws up your night. If you are super deep and high status guy (2x IH and 2 drops A314) a women who is in the seduction phase will dismiss you. Some women do not need that comfort in such a high degree.

I have met MORE women who need sex to connect with a guy than those who need a guy to get to know them. Sex is a very intimate act and it builds more comfort, rapport and connection than anything else you can do.

If you want a great connection before sex you can potentially miss out on a lot of great women. Often a woman will not reveal her true self before she sleeps with you as she is still ‘Gaming’ you, if you will flatter me and look at it like that.

If you really want that connection with a woman, it is different than spending more time with her. I can suggest a few great emotional concepts to get to know a woman and connect in a ‘love’ type of situation, but realistically that is different than where you seem to be at.

Onto a mix to slow down the candle and comfort process so you can get to know her more.

The key is qualification. You can stretch hoop theory out quite a bit by digging deeper on your hoops. To get a person to qualify you need to be higher value. So A314 would work. To get her to open up to a high status guy, IH is essential to this process.

Bear in mind, that if you go this route you need to be congruent with it and go after that type of woman.

Two types of attraction exist, intrigue and emotional. Great PUA’s stimulate both, for a slower burn emotional process you want to focus on Intrigue attraction so she wants to get to know you and be apart of your life.

Just my opinion buddy.

1. Are you a ‘community’ guy?

Whats a “community” Guy ? You might just say that i teach a community

2. Which PUA’s have you learned from?

Which ones havent I

3. What style game do you have?

My own

Thanks for sharing your opinion, there are definately some interesting bits in there. Its also good to see another person who is clearly right into this whole game thing

Although I have done plenty* of process/system based game such as MM; currently I am not particularly really doing any game atm, just natural, I am following a different process, where I’m pretty much, just myself.

[KIMBA]

Community guy in the respect that are you an active member in the online seduction community, a name. I dont want to know who you are, but the difference from approach coach to TD is a big difference.

As for as process goes, at some point it all blends into natural game. That is the ideal. For teaching I like to break it down all the time, I write down what I say, have wings tell me the play by play and I debrief. I also use my phone as a take away to jot down notes. I am sure you know this, for new guys it is harder to articulate why what you do works and how than it is to just show them what you are doing. I get guys to dismiss what I do or teach because I cant explain why it works.

It is often, “Dude, just say ANYTHING. No, really. Its a…Pre-Open. Just say, HEY, and start talking. DOESNT matter. Project your voice.” I found teaching what I did screwed some guys up, so I broke it down step by step in respect to: Pre-Open, Open, Lay some conversational hooks, Qualify, etc. As in for advanced guys, I teach them to properly Approach, then just teach the concept of vibing and how to properly increase touching, and they catch on. It is darn frustrating as you cant just say “Do X and you will do well”.

Some guys you need to teach Frames, Pre-Frames, Frame Control or they dont understand what on earth I mean when I say have sexual intent.

Ha ha. I digress, I guess these are good problems to have.

Onto mones, I do not think you really need A314 or IH, of course it depends on what demographic you are after. As a PUA, attraction should be easy. As should the basics of PU. I use mones to smooth over rough edges. If I know I have been shy all day, I use a heavy social. If I know I will be going to a new place and know no one, I rock A314. If I am going day gaming with shy gals, I rock IH. I use what I need to handle my personal issues to compensate for areas I lack in. I am not very good looking (TD can put me to shame) and chunky now, so a bit of attraction mones does my a load of good.

I guess the root of this thought is, if you struggle to get her to open up, IH would be ideal. Lots of words for little advice. Many Guru’s would be ashamed.

[GetTheEdge]

@KIMBA

Community guy in the respect that are you an active member in the online seduction community, a name. I dont want to know who you are, but the difference from approach coach to TD is a big difference.

As for as process goes, at some point it all blends into natural game. That is the ideal. For teaching I like to break it down all the time, I write down what I say, have wings tell me the play by play and I debrief. I also use my phone as a take away to jot down notes. I am sure you know this, for new guys it is harder to articulate why what you do works and how than it is to just show them what you are doing. I get guys to dismiss what I do or teach because I cant explain why it works.

It is often, “Dude, just say ANYTHING. No, really. Its a…Pre-Open. Just say, HEY, and start talking. DOESNT matter. Project your voice.” I found teaching what I did screwed some guys up, so I broke it down step by step in respect to: Pre-Open, Open, Lay some conversational hooks, Qualify, etc. As in for advanced guys, I teach them to properly Approach, then just teach the concept of vibing and how to properly increase touching, and they catch on. It is darn frustrating as you cant just say “Do X and you will do well”.

Some guys you need to teach Frames, Pre-Frames, Frame Control or they dont understand what on earth I mean when I say have sexual intent.

Ha ha. I digress, I guess these are good problems to have.

Onto mones, I do not think you really need A314 or IH, of course it depends on what demographic you are after. As a PUA, attraction should be easy. As should the basics of PU. I use mones to smooth over rough edges. If I know I have been shy all day, I use a heavy social. If I know I will be going to a new place and know no one, I rock A314. If I am going day gaming with shy gals, I rock IH. I use what I need to handle my personal issues to compensate for areas I lack in. I am not very good looking (TD can put me to shame) and chunky now, so a bit of attraction mones does my a load of good.

I guess the root of this thought is, if you struggle to get her to open up, IH would be ideal. Lots of words for little advice. Many Guru’s would be ashamed.

Nah I’m no TD, though we’ve met, just in the local community here, perhaps one of the other nearby cities here too

I really like TDs stuff!

“Take what works for you and discard the rest” <– I kinda subscribed to that from early on and never really believed in any of that rivalry so studied from quite a number of sources

Yeah its good when alot of things have become unconscious-competent/internalized, particularly if its things you like doing anyway, or if your personality does grow and/or change, then in directions that you really like

Good to see a knowledgeable guy on the forums

Yes for new guys breaking it down for them really helps

I have done alot of the step by step process earlier on too and it was great

Atm I’m kinda just really stressed out, and have some other non-PUA things to really focus on, so kind of almost as a little bit of a sideline after last time I went out was quite fun, and for some reason these hot babes really liked me, I thought I might just spend a little time (e.g. once a month) on it, as long as its something thats enjoyable and fun, no more stress man lol

My big issue is clinical level anxiety, fixing thats will get my game up by 200%-400%. I plan on seeing a professional about it.

Anxiety free (or in super-control of it) I’ve done a bunch of 5 minute, 10 minute, 30 minute, 1 hour etc fast SNLs. As it was one of my goals to be able to do them.

Though for now I’m just gonna plan for a SNL, doesnt have to be fast, I enjoy spending time with women whose company I enjoy anyway, and if thats not working out for me I will go to day 2’s

[KIMBA]

That Anxiety is a huge crux, and I hope you sort it out. I have a lot of social anxiety issues, so I see a slight degree of what you are going through.

Entropy has been working on some pretty good emotional connection stuff, as well as hate for the community. He may help you connect with women better.

For anxiety, DO NOT USE A314. I would look into MX297. I LOVE it for social anxiety. For a while it helped me get out of my head when I had huge sticking points with anxiety.

That is the mone cure all for anxiety and lack of being outgoing in my opinion.