A curious thing I have found with these two molecules. For me it seems that Rone has better hits than -none with certain women. The only correlation I have found so far is that they are older than me. So perhaps Rone is a decent substitute for older (I hate using that term) women.
I wouldnt say the hits are sexual, although -None still has that effect on all. It just seems to me that older women become more excited in me when wearing -Rone.
Even more curious is that these women have managed to build a barrier defending themselves from my -None sprays!! I need to apply alot more and then risk OD’ing, its a fine line to tread. This concurs with the popular theory on the forums that olde..mature women can handle higher levels of -none.
This isnt so much a report, just me brain dumping, I’m afraid. If anyone else has similar experiences please share
Rattle
PS. Dont wear TAL near extroverted drunk women, especially if you are shy in nature. You will regret it! It’s an experience I’d rather forget sometime soon!
Thinking about your post, rattlesnake, I have been puzzled for a long time by the way these two compounds are thought of. Essentially they are talked about in terms of being two maculine pheromones. Androsterone is the white hat “nice guy” while androstenone is the black hat “bad boy”.
I wonder if it might be more productive to think of them more in terms of androsterone signaling strength and -none signaling excitement? Does this make sense in your experience?
Here is an old compilation post of mine on what AndrosteRone could do…
It actually seems to make some women quite aroused in a more ‘loving’ and less ‘lusty’ kind of way than AndrosteNone (see posts by Sexyredhead, Lor, Tisha, and m3turbo). Surfs Up and DrSmellThis both mentioned that it might be an intensifier, a ‘confirming messenger’. Also there is some kind of antidepressant, energised, dreamy ‘buzz’ mentioned that AndrosteRone seems to bring along with it (mentioned by Sexyredhead, Dolly, Elana, Lor, and Sagacious1420). Of course AndrosteRone is all about the non-threatening alpha male presence (or the ‘Peaceful Alpha’ as Gegogi calls the effect) and this helps with feelings of trust, adoration, and leadership (there is a different balance of these effects of course between different high-AndrosteRone mixes like A314 and Instant Gentleman for example).
Finally, possibly what makes AndrosteRone one of the two primary masculine pheromones is its place in evolutionary psychology as the representative of the man who iswise, competent, long lived, nurturing, and the money-making fatherly type - that’s just a theory I guess but see the thread Evolutionary psychology: -Rone men and -None Men
I LOVE -Androsterone. Scent of Eros gets me hot faster than any of the products I’ve tried. -None does nothing for me, and -Androstenol just makes me really friendly. Scent of Eros, with -Androstenol and -Androsterone, makes me horny AND very friendly.
So I guess you could call that a result using straight -Androsterone.
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Sexyredhead (August 22, 2003):
“…Scent of Eros can keep me happy and horny all day. It’s different from the -Androstenol reaction I have, because I often wear PIw or lavender SPMO by themselves. So the -Androsterone’s effect isn’t just immediate–it’s long-lasting. That’s not just an adrenal reaction, or I’d end up tired and b!tchy after wearing it for a while.”
Elana (February 17, 2004):
“but I do know this…it [CS -Androsterone] gave me a buzz… I was wired. I had to have Franki and SRH talk me down… SRH and I haven’t figured out if the attention from the men is because of how great it makes us feel, or if it effects them too. It just makes us feel fantastic.”
Dolly (February 17, 2004):
“…As for the -Androsterone] buzz, to me, it feel like you would if you went out for lunch and had a light margarita with your meal. Not drunk, but just “feeling it” a little...”
Sexyredhead (February 18, 2004)
"…But [the reaction to -Androsterone is] not relaxing–it’s a rush!
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dolly (February 18, 2004):
"…Today was different from just wearing Primal Instinct (Raw Power – Fierce Male Sexual Intensity - Alpha A314) For Women. The Androstenol did make a few of my co-workers friendlier (in general)when I wore it alone, but the -Androsterone seemed to intensify it all.And, I had the little buzz going, too. Bonus for me!
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… In a 10 ml roll-on bottle, I had about 2.5 ml of Primal Instinct For Women, almost 1 ml of CS-Androsterone (I didn’t have enough room in my bottle for more), and the rest was a musk cologne. Really nice!! I liked it very much!! A keeper!!
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i cannot state enough that if you use 'none, the smallest amount kicks ass and takes names. and numbers,
im personally at a point where its not attractive to me at all.
im caucasian,so they tell me. 36.
even little amounts piss me off, but with added 'Androsterone im just okay with it.
i tolerate it.
the smallest amount over the little bit you use, sends some of chicks packing. they get irrate, snippy.
'Androsterone on the other hand, i cannot say enough about. its dreamy. its anti-depressant. unfortunately or fortunately its more of an in-love im crushing feeling, less of a i want to do you and leave you feeling.
i think its the pheromone you want to use when you hope they want to hang around more often. im definately more likely to have sex smelling this stuff. it makes me want to make you happy.
i havent experienced using too much of it (or just sniffing it )
my opinion is that the balance of the two will play a significant part in how you are percieved and that will weed out the unwanted.
stronger 'none than 'Androsterone will attract more of a sexual lets just get it done vibe. more 'Androsterone than 'none will be more of a i cant get him out of my head vibe.
'none doesnt get me off in the slightest; but 'Androsterone has me zero to sex in 30 seconds.
i have heard in some places that asian women respond negatively to 'none (or higher amounts) and i have heard younger women have issues with 'none used to much/ in high amounts.
maybe the combination of traits you are looking for arent meshing with the balance of 'Androsterone to 'none instead of 'Androsterone by itself. both are always present because of your own signiture always being present.”
everyone keeps mentioning 'Androsterone being desired for stability and 'none for plain sex, and intellectually it makes sense, but i think its less cycle related and more personality related. i dont think i have ever been attracted to the high-'none profile, and i know many who werent either…”
AndrosteNone vs AndrosteRone for females. (AndrosteNone vs AndrosteRone for females.)
tisha23 (September 2, 2007):
“…The feeling [of A314] is not overwhelming. It will not make me do anything that I know is not right for me.Its a feeling of willingness brought on by a sort of safe secure feeling. Kind of like trust or like feeling comfortable in letting the other person lead. On a sexual side its more slow safe and deep,( behave you know what I mean ) It feels like all night instead of wham bam. Now I felt this feeling mostly with husband wearing it. Around my friends husband I wasnt aroused at all. I am not attracted to my friends husband so that could be why. The guy at work is my BMF and it was a little arousing on him but not enough to make me forget I am married. So on a scale of 1 to 10 for “how strong are the feelings” with 10 being a total slut LOL (only kidding) I would say its a 3 or 4
Instant Gentleman is nice, its just gives the feeling of nice LOL. Its hard to explain. Its easy going, laid back more trusting then leading, reliable . Slightly sexual if the person is attracted to those quailties…”
(http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?p=117500&h)
surfs up aka Tacitus (April 20, 2004):
“…I’ve had years of experience with androsterone. It tends to behave like a “confirming” messenger. It solidifies and consolidates the effects of the primary message…”
DrSmellThis (May 14, 2005):
"…Androsterone has historically been great to enhance other things, but not as the primary focus – this goes way back to the earlier forum days, when too much -Androsterone was often talked about as ruining a mix.
Later, especially after Regina Maiworm’s groundbreaking -Androsterone studies, its reputation became one of creating a multidimensional positive impression, enhancing (non-threatening – like with fathers or brothers) masculinity and alphaness, but lessening sexual reactions…"
http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/pheros-ever-got-you-laid-3792-2.html#post43561
tacitus (May 6, 2007):
“Eyup… most of my sexmix combos have a strong base of Androsterone… Androsterone has made for some freaking mind warpingly good sex… Alpha Androstenol has also been a fine constant, where beta-Androstenol can make things too “heady”… I like a pinch of None, but not too much, you need just enought to stomp on the gas, -Androstadienone has proven its worth too, EST will really deepen the communication aspects, P74 is excellent in this direction as well, while P79,P83,P90,P93 all add some deep bodymind animal notes, a smidge of TAH will bring out the colors, so to speak, and P86 has been one of the great sleeper surprises, it is more of an integrator, although there is a real P86 quality boost of “it all comes together at the right moment”… P80 WILL put a heavy umph behind the whole deal, but use VERY sparingly, or they will feel like they are mating with a Cape Buffalo…”
Unexpected reaction from my wife (A314 car situation)
m3turbo (July 5, 2007):
"I have found that if you hit a woman with a strong whiff of androsterone during the right spot in her cycle you can drive her crazy . I always use large doses of Androsterone as the foundation to all miy mixes.
The TAL/TAH are primarily used by women, TAL projects a more confident woman, whilst TAH gives off a more cuddly woman vibe. I really cant say more about what happened other than a impromptu lap dance from a non-target girl made me blush…in front of our mutual friends. By the way when using TAL to increase the forwardness with women be careful. If your target isnt attracted to you, you’ll simply be giving her the confidence to go after the man she does like. I know this can hurt like hell from past experience, thankfully this was before my phero days. I woulda felt a bigger idiot if I drove her into another guys arms.
Opposite? That’s interesting, could you give a few more details about this, the effects you get with None and the effects with Rone. Thanks
I agree, I think rone, gives off a more silent, high value strong type of vibe. More like James Bond as opposed to the Russel Crowe effect of None.
Visionary, thanks for the great post. I’ll take the time to read it properly later on
I find -rone, above all, to help project a “fatherly alpha air.” In other words a mature alpha aura, in control, strong but peaceful. So it can make a younger man seem older and of higher status, well at least temporarily. The danger of this molecule is you must eventually walk the walk and talk the talk, otherwise the guise quickly implodes. So great for managers needing to maintain a chain of command. Might be conflict if an 18 year old busboy tried to use it.
I’m not so sure if makes a man seem “higher value.” The perception of wealth is more tied to your actual social status, persona and material properties.
I agree with that, however, if a mid-twenties guy used it with a decent social status. I believe it will enhance him further than just the fatherly alpha vibe.
Personally I wouldnt associate higher value with just wealth/material objects. Someone with a confident air about themselves (like you said, persona) could give off the same vibe, not to the same extent of course. Obviously some congruence is necessary, you couldnt like a hobo for instance and try and project value.
As far as my observations on age groups. I’m 46. I’ve found that I get the most interest from under 30 women when I’m wearing IG with no -none at all. If I’m wearing only -none most of the ladies who show interest are near my age or older.
After seeing your post I thought about that and maybe, since the -none generates a more sexual vibe, the women who would normally be most attracted to you physically are the ones who would give the most visble clues about that attraction. Perhaps the “safer” androsterone vibe allows women to feel less self concious about showing interest in men that might be more taboo to their age group. IDK just a thought.
Probably has a lot to do with opportunity and availability. I used to wear NPA and TE at work–college campus–and students less than half my age frequently came on to me, some rather forcefully and blatantly. Not too many hits from women my age. I cut way back on the -none as it was getting outta hand…
I agree with renny. My experiences have shown that androsterone pulls in younger girls while androstenone pulls in older chicks. For the record, I am a 26 year old, white male.
An old PM from Michael of Androtics that may answer the question why your experiences may be so is pasted in below. Only thing is I’m not sure if there has ever been any scientific study to show that “older women, deep inside their minds, generally want an 18 year old stud. Someone sweaty with -none. Their biological clocks are ticking away, and they want a stallion.” That statement does ring true to some extent from my own experience (at least for some older women) though many older women would still prefer, of course, the older man for a longer-term relationship rather than short-term encounters with say a younger ‘sperm donor’.
From a PM to me from MHarris (October 18, 2005):
“…Many young women like A314 (A314 Classic Edition – Trust & Respect Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314) because it has kind of a “daddy” vibe, and many women are subconscously attracted to men who are either like their fathers (providers) or like an ideal father.
I don’t know how young or old you are, but generally -none works better for older men, and something more Androsterone based works better for younger, in terms of sexuality.
Also, older women, deep inside their minds, generally want an 18 year old stud. Someone sweaty with -none. Their biological clocks are ticking away, and they want a stallion.
Many younger women respond to the daddy vibe of A314 to an alarming amount.
This is also explained well by David M Buss, and he knows nothing of pheromones - only behavor.
There must be more cross-generational sex going on than we either perceive or admit to…”
There was a study done on this actually. They had women smell the shirts of men after like I THINK an hour of just wearing it. They asked the women which shirt they liked the most, smelled the best to them. They found that the shirts the women preferred had the most similar genetic makeup to their fathers.
