lol… and you have a problem with that? j/k 
Diane
i hate to think either one of you is implying there is anything wrong with koolaid
Pretty good theory, there. Many of us have wondered about the same things and maybe thought about some theories. But are there any bottom line facts that you are basing your theories on?
Try checking out all the copulins that are on the market today. They are without exception, all crap. Even the much touted EOW is horrible right now. I can’t dilute it or use it with anything! Even when I use just one drop in 5 ml of perfume, my husband complains of the “puke” smell. I even diluted 1 drop in 500 ml of water and my husband came in the door telling me to flush that crap down the toilet, it was gagging him so much.
There is no good source of copulins on the market today. And whether Mike started trying to find a solution yesterday or a year ago, it doesn’t change that fact, or the fact that he is encouraging the formulation of a good copulins formula.
And I doubt very seriously that whether a good copulins formula is found soon or not is in any way going to impact on the viability of the company or change its basic premise in any way.
Diane
Actually I was one of the forum members censored. And it wasn’t for my spelling or punctuation. It happened when I first joined two years ago or so. I had mentioned wholesale chemset mones from a certain dipstick in the industry–the one nailed for controlled substances on his website–and the post was pulled (I had no links). I even got a phone call from Jazz informing me it was forbidden to even mention his name on on Pherotalk.
Of course everyone knew who the hell he was and was buying industrial strength cops from him by the gallon (no shit!). Old HEC did actually make some decent products (e.g., Aquagen) but shot himself in the foot by dispensing utter dung and, of course, terrible customer service and getting on CNN for internet distribution of controlled substances. He had a falling out at Love Scent and is currently selling IceBreaker and a few clones of popular mone formulas.
If you type “Androtics” or any of their popular products in the Love Scent forum, the net nanny automatically deletes the offending word. So this sorta shit is common. In fairness, PheroTalk is one of the most fair minded and open company forums. You won’t do any better than this.
fortunately EoW is still do-able for some of us.
especially if the choice is that or nothing,
i’ll take it!
in any event
cops being relatively new to the market
(i said relatively !)
means its going to evolve into something fantastical eventually.
i will wait :o
I got to agree with Lor. Eow is still workable for some folks though it isn’t as good as it used to be. I’d rather have eow than no cops for sure!
Just 25 years of visions that are usually right.
I have used copulins that are 100 times worse smell wise then EOW. I have used EOW for years and never received one complaint about the smell from others. Either your not covering it correctly or doing something else wrong because as Lor said its do-able and in my opinion for almost every member that has learned to use them correctly.
The only difference between batches was the strength. It has changed since the released the product going lower and lower because he was beta testing it probably due to the smell and the effects on he bottle and skin or some people. There is a few other places you can get copulins although not a pure cop formula like EOW.
Copulins are different, they are supposed to have a distinctive smell. It is near impossible to replicate the natural smell and while the alternatives that we have may be stinky they contain the correct notes to trigger the effect we are looking for.
Women don’t buy copulins to smell pretty its not there purpose. They buy them because they work. Eow still works for me. Granted I have to change my dosage with each bottle but its the nature of the beast.
I had no problem with the smell of Androtics cops. They stunk and they worked but when worn no one notices the smell except the user because your conscious of it. I remember a post by Lor when she went to the store wearing them with no cover at all and still got compliments on how she smelled. I have done the same. You let your husband smell them from the bottle bringing it to his conscious mind which is probably why he told you to chuck them. All mones including cops work on the subconscious which is why everyone doesn’t have self effects. Itsd why I have always discouraged people telling there spouse. Very few get accurate results with any mones when they do. Some members like GW, Bella and BH can but they have a lot of experience using them and open minded spouses. My husband is aware of them but I never tell him when I have them on.
What ever Androtics decides to do is fine with me. Hopefully MStorer will come up with a good formula they can use. If not now we are more aware of the situation and can make adjustments to what we wear or buy accordingly.
editted to add… All these other gripes about censoring and such as long past over with and explained. Those battles have been waged already and it was explained about the other company and the title censoring issue. Bringing them back up to hash out yet again is just looking to ignite them all over again.
What purpose would that serve really other them to bring darkness and negativity forward.
Tisha
I wonder why natural copulins don’t have these effects? My husband has certainly smelled them “straight from the bottle” - LOL and they have never made him want to puke.
Anyway, thanks for your expertise.
Diane
Gotta second Tish on this one, the socials, including IFM and IH worked like a dream on my wife, UNTIL I told her about them and introduced her to a few of the consumer line and a couple of MXs. She stopped reacting to my signature and instead, got reactions at work, enough said 
Although the ‘live and uncensored’ tag went a while ago, I don’t think anyone can argue with the point that this is the most open forum in this industry, sure there are problems and I, for one, have been frustrated on occasions. Let’s find some middle ground, hopefully we’ll get the forum split soon which may allow for more open discussion between AD and the seasoned users whilst providing some further degree of industrial security for AD.
As for cops, I am prepared to make the sacrifice and collect as many pairs of panties as I can to further the cause, I would have thought that mid to late 20s would be the best hunting ground?
I have a lot of respect for the project you have undertaken and I wish you the best with it but it takes more then a beaker and a lab coat to actually understand mones and why they do what they do and how. Problem with just approaching it scientifically is that you leave out the human equation when you do. This is the problem with many things approached just from the science end. This is why this forum is so unique and loved. They never leave out the human equation.
If you come up with something that smells less offensive great as long as it has the same effects as the stinky cops you will do what no scientist has been able to achieve since Astrid Jutte, Then again SOE uses that natural formula and it just doesn’t have the same effect as the stinky ones.
Tisha
And that’s why we’re all here, to help with that part with our research, and another reason why everything is probably pretty much still considered putative. Because the human aspect of it as Tisha mentioned is very important, and I feel we have yet to reach that full understanding of pheromones and copulins. Hopefully soon though, with all of our help. As Tisha says, “this is why this forum is so unique and loved.”
<Tisha3
Whole foods is good too!
-Bee
i though copulins werent technically not a pheromone?
i would love to know where the idea that this is purely a scientific approach came from?
i didnt see evidence of this.
i can see though that refusing to be overly emotional on the forum may translate that way,
but then Diane was never someone to draw attention to herself being emotional
in any event,
i think her unique perspective is whats going to get us out of the copulin rut,
that trucking along the same old path never gives you different scenery.
i welcome change.
stuff evolves, and that isnt always comfortable.
in the meantime,
giving support, equally to everyone in this endeavor, is what will bring this forward the fastest IMO.
then again, my opinions have been affiliated with talk of koolaid.
so dont mind me
I must say that I was quite sad when first I ran into this post. This forum and the products it supports have caused good changes in my life. I profoundly appreciate all 16,000 members AND the wonderful staff at Androtics for making this a GREAT place to hang out in my spare time. I’m quite glad to see that everyone seems to have kissed and made up.
Tisha-
We haven’t really spoken much in the time that I have been around here. I have, however, read MANY of your extremely helpful posts with great interest. I, for one, must say that you WILL BE MISSED. The time and dedication that you put into something that you were not paid for shows me that this forum means a whole lot to you. I understand that you need break time. Please consider coming back to hang out with us in future. Maybe not as a moderator, but as a friend.
-Bee
To everyone
Remember that we now live in a world that will put lead in children’s toys and poisonous melamine in baby formula. Androdics does not currently make Copulins. They are working on it. The responsibility is theirs to make sure that the products that they sell are safe to use.
You’ve done a GREAT job Androtics!
-Go Androtics, its your birthday…
-Bee
Technically the are not but we always called them mones.
Thats the way I feel and what she has indicated to me. The forum is not science minded enough.
Dont worry I am almost done here and will be gone anyways so Di Steve and the rest of you can have at it. 
Tisha
this should be less about begging personalities to stay
and more about what we can do to encourage the fun atmosphere we once had , IMO.
this is not encouraged by you going,
but by all of us being on the same page.
how can conflict dissipate if we keep it alive and breathing?
negative is as negative does.
where is the love?
You are exactly right, and I thought much about this approach to life.
However, temporarily focusing on bonafide negative aspects of anything tells you what to work on. While it is useless to have a negative outlook in life or your work, a “negativity pitstop”, as it were, tells you where to place your positive energies for highest growth.
If nobody ever told you, for instance, that you had mayo on your face… would you wipe it off as fast as you could? Or how about a man’s fly? What if it was down? Simply alerting the right people of a situation lets positive action be taken, and be taken quickly in a time efficient manner. I personally would much rather be told that my fly is down, and I have condiments on my face NOW, than to find out 9 hours later on my own. Time is one resource I can’t really make more of, so I’m grateful for that kind of feedback.
What is important is to issue simple alerts to those who can take action, have them take action, and continue on the positive right. It is for us to notice and fix the negative, but not to dwell on the negative. In fact, we tend to live in the positive, regardless of what our minds tend to dwell upon.
Despite the fact that so many people fear criminals on a daily basis, and tell me to believe the same, when I look at reality things are much better. For example, nobody has killed or robbed me today, despite the supposed “prevalence” of crime. I am not dying of either cancer or heart disease today (not that I know, anyway). Despite “rampant pollution”, both the trees and grass are green. Much greener than not green, anyway. 
In this supposedly doomed world, even the birds continue to chirp, despite the fact that birds were used as early indicator systems by coal miners (i.e., they’re so chemical sensitive, they’d die easily if an area was toxic enough). To this day, bird owners must be intensely cautious of anything birds are fed or exposed to. Yet I see more flying around, having a jolly time, than I see them raining out of the sky dead.
We see the “bad” so easily, because it contrasts highly to the nearly infinite amount of good. Due to the way our brain’s reticular activating system works, “bad” sticks out like a neon purple bar sign in the midst of an otherwise green forest. It’s the odd man out, which is why it’s so noticeable. Yet the world or life at large is not really as bad as we’re sometimes led to believe, with our quick & easy mental summaries/generalizations that we often make (“people are bad”, “cars are bad”), is it?
In part, that’s due to people making reasonable and responsible actions against both current and possible future negative scenarios to enact long term solutions. Just like a non-mercury contaminated vaccine (or perhaps homeopathy with their little microdoses of poison), there is often much good that can come out of recognizing and acting against just a little bad.
We probably have many users here who still remember Jonas Salk first hand, or have read about him. He’s a stand out example of a man who not only had a positive response to the bad, but who’s solution itself was made to harness our body’s own amazingly positive responses that can come from identifying and responding to some bad. Programmers or certain engineers might say that his positive response was “recursive” in nature.
Again, I agree with you… just had to interject with the beauty of seeing and acting upon the ugly from to time.
Certainly, when you’re driving a car, it’s important to be aware of possible hazards, or what’s going on on the side of the road. But anybody who gets anywhere in a car is mostly focused on what’s going on in front of them, as well as where they want to go. Almost any successful endeavor uses very much the same structure as successfully driving from one place to another. It is an important parallel to consider. This simple driving metaphor can be used as a “sanity check” to make sure you’re getting where you want to go in other areas of life. It’s a powerful way of fixing your thinking and adjusting your activities when you just don’t seem to be getting anywhere. If you can successfully walk, bike, drive or fly from point A to to point B anywhere on this planet, then you have the basic skills – the basic structure – required to do anything in the world. Period. It’s just a matter of having the good taste to decide what to do with your time, and the dedication to just do it despite any naysaying nonsense you might hear, or any hangups you might have tripping you up inside your mind.
It ultimately takes the same amount of effort to be a hero or a heroine as a heroin addict. (ok, maybe it’s not as easy to be a heroin addict - I know I’d have to make an enormous effort to force myself to go anywhere near a needle voluntarily!) Both the best and worst type of people have brains and what some counts put at over 100 trillion cells to back up the choices made by that brain. That’s quite a team, I’d say!
We all have more or less the same level playing field to start with, minus any birth defects or genetic flaws that manifest down the line. (Yet look how some are able to work around major impediments such as Stephen Hawking!) Preference or what I like to call “taste” is a major part of human activity. Choose well, and don’t just have beautiful days randomly – make them.
temporarily rocks.