ds what do u think of p83??? Its leading product in favourite androtics product poll. Is it sexual??? What kinda vibe is it?? I’m thinking of comboing p83 with dirty primitive by liquid alchemy labs. Or would it be better to combo p75 and dp??
p83 has never agreed with me on a consistent basis so I don’t use it anymore.
You will learn the most by reading archives of posts and experimenting for yourself. What works for the goose doesn’t always work for the gander.
evolve xs contains Estratetraenol, which i read is a big no-no!
Personally, I would stay the hell away from the stuff. Thats just me, I am sure you can find a hundred other counter-opinions.
Estratetraenol, also known as estra-1,3,5(10),16-tetraen-3-ol, is a chemical compound produced by women Estratetraenol - Wikipedia
that has been described as having Pheromone - Wikipedia like activities in primates,
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sex hormone Estradiol - Wikipedia estradiol , an Estrogen - Wikipedia estrogen , yet has no known estrogenic effects.
I have never found any feminizing properties coming from evolvexs , aside from being more social in first few hrs. It definitely hasn’t made me any more feminine.. been using it for 2 months now. If you read the definition above you’ll see estratetraenol has no known estrogenic EFFECTS. We all produce estrogen to some extent so if it makes you more like a woman in first few hrs then so be it.. Not all men are macho cavemen with very low estrogen anyways. We all have some estrogen in us.
On the other hand products like True love neuter me in 2 days use. A definite no no in my book.
I am not supporting or telling you to avoid evolvexs.. The ultimate decision is yours.. I have had NO PROBLEMS with it and I use it all the time.
Thanks for the Wikipedia cut & paste, we all know its the final authority over everything under the sun. And I was surprised to learn from you that men produce estrogen btw.
Its not as simplistic as stating that using xyz est product will feminize you in the first few hrs of usage or over 2 months etc…We are talking about long-run effects having to do with estrogen build-up. I value my dick, and I want to keep it functioning optimally. And the fact is, we are all very new to the phero game, so I prefer to err on the side of caution. There are tons of great products which do not contain Est or Meo Est.
There is a reason why Androtics, Liquid Alchemy & Alpha Dreams do not use Est or Meo Est.
BTW: Evolve never did anything for me.
Personal educated guess: TAL is a metabolite (or conjugated metabolite) of estradiol. Michael Harris kinda hinted at this many years ago. He also hinted at guys using like 2-3 drops A314 and a tiny bit of TAL (I like 2.5 mcg). Jasmin suggested this as well. It makes women sexually spunky and forward. 314 counteracts the gay vibe…just don’t go over 5 mcg T A L.
*Seduction: TUTH + TAL + P79 . Optional: A little Shine and/or IO
The TUTH would add the sexual spark
The P79 would make 'em wanna do something about it, and reduce LMR
The TAL would make women aggressive and direct (chime in here, Taoist Biker and others!) and also reduce LMR .
What do you guys think?*
314 and Molecule L is a really great combo, actually. I dilute my 12.5 down to 1.25 to precisely balance the 314. I really need to test P79 one of these days.
I’ve heard mixed messages about Evolve. However, the 314 spray got me blatant, unsolicited sex offers. I’m in a semi - LTR, so I really didn’t want to go there. My only challenge is to test the new oil and apply my skills to push the sexual and fallout edge to the max. My interest in the oil products of other companies would be mitigated by how well the 314 oil performs. If Androtics continues to make a solid product now and in the future (well stocked, of course), it will be my primary. However, it is more expensive than competing oils, and it needs to perform up to that expectation. I think they clearly understand that their consumers won’t be pleased with another Rev. 31 debacle. My climate favors oils, and that’s where the future will take me, with sprays for buffering.
People frequently underestimate the complexity of what were dealing with here. Endocrine feedback loops are awfully complex. Go to your public library and spend a few hundred hours of quality time with Cecil Textbook of Medicine. Weighs 10 pounds. I really wish JV Kohl were a more active participant here. He could add some scientific fact to the seemingly enless conjecture and circular debates on the message boards. There are ~ 8 metabolites of androsterone in blood, urine, saliva, etc. Women produce sulfated DHEA in the urine. When measured with other steroids and clinical signs, it indicates excess androgen (testosterone). DHEA S is a suspected human pheromone. How humans evolved brains receptive to urine pheromones one can only speculate about.
Well certainly the subject matter is quite
complex, not sure who would deny that lol.
See the thing is this, I really dont have the time or inclination
to do all that research. Thats why I rely experts in the game like
Gary Nelson from LAL to let me know their current thoughts
on pheromones and their safety. And it says something when both Est and
Meo Est are avoided by the aforementioned vendors, dont you think?
It interesting btw, that OP ( Who claims to have been using mones for decades) is on T replacement therapy and recently claimed that Androgel just
isnt cutting it for him anymore.
Lastly, I did try out P75 (5 mcg) unbuffered and find myself agreeing
with OP, it doesnt seem to work so well, bt itself.
Well certainly the subject matter is quite
complex, not sure who would deny that lol.
See the thing is this, I really dont have the time or inclination
to do all that research. Thats why I rely experts (guys who actually formulate succesful products and thereby must possess intimate knowledge of the raw substances utilized) in the game like
Gary Nelson from LAL to let me know their current thoughts
on pheromones and their safety. And it says something when both Est and
Meo Est are avoided by the aforementioned vendors, dont you think?
And while book knowledge is great, I wonder how
many have actual bloodwork? I know I do ( Taken within two days
of using Impi Original, a product which contains Meo Est). Sometimes simple
works too.
It interesting btw, that OP ( Who claims to have been using mones for decades) is on T replacement therapy and recently claimed that Androgel just
isnt cutting it for him anymore.
Lastly, I did try out P75 (5 mcg) unbuffered and find myself agreeing
with OP, it doesnt seem to work so well, by itself
Androtics stopped selling MEO and EST some time ago. I don’t remember the reason. Moreover, we really don’t have longitudinal studies to tell us what happens when people use products for 20 years. I’ve found that P75 positively alters libido, natural pheromone output and generally makes me feel more Alpha in all aspects of my life. I’m not expecting P75 or A314 to get me laid. I’m expecting them to make me a better, more confident man. I don’t think history’s great leaders much cared about buffering anything. That’s why they were leaders. Women are very much attracted to the manly power and confidence, but pheromones can’t be expected to be sex in a bottle. TV shows and daily life are replete with examples of brutish male loser pigs hooked up with all sorts of women, despite their utterly hideous and seemingly unattractive demeanor. And I’m puzzled by those spending $1000’s in different mones from every company, in search of the elusive magic elixir. I submit the problem lies within rather than without.
I think we may be confusing what we think women think and what they actually report.
“Mmmmmm…that smells [grabbed it back from my hand] - this one is complex. I feel like, the person wearing this could protect me. I’m all giggly and girly, it makes me want to wear a dress. You should wear this one by itself around [girl of interest]. But not at work. Definitely not at work, it’s too flirty.” (It also made her pupils dilate and she was blushing.)
These are the results I’ve always gotten. You may find women talk about you. That’s what happens with me. It’s difficult for many men to be congruent with it. It’s intimidating and somewhat military-like. You have to approach, be confident and act the part. You’re wearing basically a General Patton mone. Some alpha women dig it. Many don’t. I could care less about the don’ts. Their meekness bores me. Like me, hate me, or fk off…75 helped me grow a pair and wise up to female bullst tests. Fact is, being not needy…being able to wait a week to text or call back, it puts you in control. As far as I’m concerned 314 and P75 are the quintessential alpha mones, but I’m always open to superior alternative products. I like to test and report on experimental molecules. People disinterested in that should **avoid **putatives. I’m familiar with Steve’s products. I test the items believed to be similar to his labels. It’s not for everyone.
Finally…what can I say. Everyone wants to be Alpha. Everyone the chief, nobody the Indian. The leader leads. He is somewhat controversial, creative, out front. He prefers to call the tune instead of dancing to it. He may be visionary and misunderstood–even mocked (Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Richard Branson, Abe Lincoln, George Washington). He suffers countless setbacks yet refuses to capitulate. Those expecting any pheromone to do the work of making you Alpha are being duped.
Something tells me studies dealing with mone usage aren’t exactly a priority, lol. In the meanwhile, if something ( Impi Red from LaCroy)causes me to gain 5 pounds in water weight and crash my libido, you can surely bet its going in the garbage.
And yes, of course, the problem lies within! Do you think guys with solid game really even need mones? I don’t think so. Though I am sure their results could be enhanced further with the right combo. That being said, I can understand that people want to experiment, it is their money to blow after all and they might just find something that works really well for them.
For instance, A314 and MX297 ( P83 quite good) are great, but nothing else from AD works
too well for me. Am I glad I spent money elsewhere? Sure as hell I am! Certain products from other vendors work fantastic work me. And one does not need to spend a 1000 bucs or so to find out, as any reputable vendor will have a generous refund policy. I have returned well over 500 dollars worth of products, so I lost postage, big deal right?
BTW: I am pretty direct so I have no problems in that area, will test out P75 further and get back, will buffer with TAA.
Use equal parts 75 and TAC or T A C, 75 and -eNone. T A C buffers 75 as well as None. The purpose of the 75 is to buffer out the None aggression from males. T A C is to buffer for the ladies, for the slow-burn creeping None arousal. Notice the use of TAC in Steve’s erstwhile ICM. Note also his use of Androstanone in the XS line. You do understand the concept there? 
I do understood, but here’s what you may not , see the following : AV 1 drop +A1 25 mcg+Bnol 25 mcg +P83 40 mcg, I’ve utilized this combo and there is nothing else quite like it, for me at least. (AV+A314+TAA+P83 also kills)
I’m sort of losing my patience with P75, I’ve had it for a while and played around with different dosages in different venues with different buffers. I don’t have TAC. BTW, the XS line never impressed me much, though I am having fun with APi.
I really think that AV has something in it similar to P75, or the same - long distance hits, quick acting, alpha male type stuff. Hmmmm.
So stop being stingy and fork out the dough ! (Its oil based)
mones plz stop hyping up p75.
Not sure if it’s indeed P75 that represents those attributes, but I feel, pure speculation btw, that there has to be a chemical counterpart to the “None-male” and the “Rone-male”. And I would agree it is the warrior leader / superb hunter / even heroic type of younger male, who, when surviving, will turn into a Rone-male (wiser, respected, powerful, influential clan-elder).
Younger males/boys with as much or similar strength and energy as their merely None-oozing peers, but more intelligent, able to think strategically, calculate risks and gains, ability to manipulate and so forth at an early stage in their life, coupled with physical “cleverness” (better coordination, reflexes, peripheric vision, anticipation .. you name it) and, most important, able to withstand their urges and impulses. A young, true alpha in the making. A rare occurence and therefore “mysterious” and intriguing when encountered by a female. Much more so in our post-heroic and tamed society. Naturally, such a guy will draw and be drawn to high-value women.
So the “Anone-male”.
I imagine a similar relation exist between Alphanol and Betanol, the latter representing a somewhat “higher” quality of charasteristics, but still there is the question of proportions.
I also wonder how A1 would fit in here? Is it a rather Alpha or beta molecule, and in what quantities? How will p75 and A1 perform together, what image will it convey?
How are your tests of P75 progressing? Blame it on SoulGlo brother. Not my fault Soul Brother got thanked 12 times in one post. Could be snake juice and Bulls_it. 
I joined in Jan of '12. All the hype started before I got here. It was broke when I found it man. Honest. 
Hype? Me! I stole JH’s game fair and square. Just get yourself a little bottle and rock it out. It won’t bite. 
I tested a 20 mcg again a couple weeks ago…AND I AM STILL ALIVE! Hehe.
no i think I’m gonna get is, and p83. P83 is leading favourite product from poll u made. Also p83 is one of tishas favourite products on men along with anone and bnol. P75 on link u gave the guy says its like dienone and anone, if that were true there’ll be a hell og a lot more votes on p75 in your poll.
p75 is good stuff.. I used it all last year with great results.. I just find it doesn’t work too well with game.. For example, it leaves me with no hesitation to say whats on my mind at any given time, and that defeats game when a lot of times you have to think clearly what you want to discuss , especially if you’re playing a game of seduction.
p75 might work exceedingly well in clubs like MMDI said.
I am targeting day and evening spots and not nightclubs at my age. Thus I’m finding a helluva lotta luck with evolve. During day and evening game it seems evolve is great for breaking the ice (which I have trouble doing) and packs a late game punch at the end of the date, be it afternoon or evening. So its easier to escalate to physical and isn’t that what dating is all about? O.W. you have friendships only.
I found p75 causes lucidness in my mind no different than being on a drug at times.. Especially in the initial hours when its strongest.. Its hard for me to play out any game under such conditions.
P75 has many great uses though.. being able to talk without hesitation and to come across as tenacious is a great quality of many men and women who had no other ways to succeed.
Unfortunately, my martial arts days as a bad boy tough guy with great pain tolerance and will to win are pretty much gone now.. I have replaced it with fashion, more money, better social skills, and now game being run by masters who write books on them (not pua). My days of tenacity are over.. I don’t live by tenacity.. i want to live by skills, looks, fashion, money, status, and game.
p75 is too forcefull a signature for me. I often come on too strong, and women get turned off.. I’m learning us older guys are better off using a baiting approach to lure women in with challenge, and making them pursue although we do initiate then back off. Older men can’t walk around with their dick out like a 20 year old and expect to get laid.
With p75 your the fearless man.. Want to be fearless, get some p75…
So far I’ve found nothing that beats Steves Evolvexs for me.. I do like IS AMMO and its great for attracting blondes , however, it doesn’t have enough none to make them horny whereas evolve packs 20 mcg none. IS AMMO is polite mans formula.. Evolve is STEALTH man’s formula.
evolve xs has est man… The top pheromone companies don’t use est in their products. I myself am looking to buy several pheromone xs products, these include ascend xs will be used for work (contains anone, bnol- which tisha says is her favourite on men.) (also ascend is one of most mentioned product in best standalone phero in pherotruth forum). I am also looking to buy cohesion xs used with nude alpha for 1-1 dates. Then there is a mix which Steve used for his birthday which worked out well for him, its sob, xist and x111.
p83 with is what tisha also reccommends. Tac used during sex is also what i plan on buying. Just not p75.