Tonyman's Journal

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This is the second time around using mones for me. Last time I ordered some was 2011. I pretty much used them the wrong way. I didn’t test them individually. I mixed them based on the effects I was hoping for, but not really having any idea if they were working or not.

One of my mistakes was to spray them onto my hair exclusively (not my skin). According to what I have read in journals here, that leads to enone buildup. That makes sense, since I found myself attracting only cougars. I met some very hot, slinky cougars and had a lot of enjoyable sex with them. So much so that when I sold my previous car a couple of years ago, I was a little reluctant to part with the scene of so many fond memories of vehicular blowjobs and unrestrained sexual activity.

However, I did wish I could date some younger women instead of only cougars. I should have paid more attention to the advice in these forums about enone buildup. In retrospect, I can see that I was ghosting the girls in their 20s and early 30s.

Part of the problem was that I was single at the time and in a pussy hunting frenzy. I wish I could put that down to just being young, dumb and full of cum, but the sad reality is that I was mid-40s, dumb and full of cum.

This time around, I’m in a LTR and am interested in mones more for personal and professional development than for picking up girls. I’m seeing my own shortcomings in professional interactions and I’m interested to see if mones can help me overcome them. Social interaction is an important part of professional life, so improving my skills in that area too (via mones) is another goal. I’m crap at networking, which is holding my career back.

Another important goal is to rekindle my sex drive. For some reason it has dwindled away to almost zero over the last year. That’s probably due to one or more of the vitamin supplements I’m taking, but any help in that department from mones would be welcome. Obviously I’m going to work on tracking down any possible cause of low libido, rather than just laying all the responsibility on the mones to fix it.

One thing I did last time round was to order all my mones unscented. Then I made up my own EO mix and sprayed that over the top of the mones. I’ve since learned from some experienced users here that it wasn’t such a good idea.

This time, I’ve been able to order mones with the Stealth 1.0 unfragranced option, which is different to the old unscented option. That excludes a314, however, which apparently has its own EO mix already added.

I’m planning to test individual mones this time round, starting from one spray or one drop. Let’s see if I can be a little more self disciplined this time around.

I’m kind of allergic to strong artificial fragrances, so I’m hoping that the Stealth 1.0 option will work for me. If it doesn’t, this will be one of the shortest journals ever!

I’ve ordered the following products:

a314 oil
a314b spray
TUTH
IS 2x
IH 2x
IO
IG
Ammo 2x
p95
p96
CTTM oil
MX597 oil
TAA oil

Everything in Stealth 1.0, except for the a314 stuff.

Kind of shocked to discover that IO 2x is now $180, when it was $80 five years ago. I don’t know how they make IO, but whatever rare Amazonian tree frog it is extracted from must have had a low sperm count or have been affected by global warming in the last five years.

I’ve just been sniffing the togo bottles I’ve received so far (a314b, IG, IO, Ammo, IS, IH, TUTH) to see how they smell in the Stealth 1.0 unfragranced option. They are all quite pleasant and/or minimal in odor, except for TUTH, which smells sharp and unpleasant (to my extremely sensitive nose). I thought IG would be bad because of the erone but it smells quite nice to me.

I also feel pleasantly up - maybe because of the IS I’ve been sniffing. It’s like a drug, that stuff. I don’t remember it having such a good effect five years ago. Maybe the formula has been tweaked since then, or maybe my own chemistry has changed.

OK that’s enough for an intro. Thanks for reading this far.

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Thank you for starting a journal and sharing your story. In fact I did the same thing almost 5 years ago and just threw everything on and got the same results you did and so I stopped using pheromones. 2 years later I decided to do it right and it has paid off now.

I have played around with E.O a lot to and pheromones and yes I have found to definitely keep the app points separate. My main EO I use now is Ylang Ylang more than any other with pheromones.

You are more than welcome to check out my journal link below and I created a guide so it is much easier to get to what you are looking for. I would also look into Jdub’s also as he has quite a bit experience with the EO to.

Good luck and if you ever need anything just hit me up and good to see you back!

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Thanks justintime469. I’ve bought Ylang Ylang and will give it a try. I’ve also got a few other EOs like jasmine, vetiver, sweet orange, lavender, cedarwood, vanilla and oakmoss. Also have hedione and sandalwood on order.

I’ll have to do something about the smell of TUTH if I ever wear it because it doesn’t smell too great in the Stealth 1.0 version. So I guess that means applying one or more EOs as close as possible to the TUTH without actually covering the TUTH.

With the other Stealth unfragranced mones, it will be interesting to see how they are perceived by people. A lot of mone users on these forums write about how women say they love their “cologne.” I remember getting similar comments about my old EO/mone mix. But if there is nothing to smell (because of the Stealth), how will women’s brains process their physical reaction to the mones? It’s more socially acceptable to sniff someone’s cologne than it is to sniff a neck that has no apparent odor. The latter seems more animalistic. Anyhow, I guess it’s my job to find answers to that question.

Thanks, I’ve read your entire journal and Jdub’s too. They have each been a mine of information and very inspiring.

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2.45pm applied one drop a314 rev 32 to neck just beside jaw. Was working in small office at the time with door closed. When I came out of the office an hour or so later, my voice sounded high and strangled. It was as if my throat was trying to close or something. I thought a314 was meant to deepen your voice, not make it higher.

That effect diminished slightly over the course of the evening, but never went away. Quite uncomfortable to not be able to speak in a normal voice. Might be some artificial fragrance ingredients in the a314. I thought it only had EOs, according to the description, but maybe there are artificial fragrances too. I’m sorely tempted to seek a refund on the a314 oil. Will try the a314b spray in Stealth first though. I don’t think it’s the a314 itself - just the artificial fragrance component.

After finishing my work and leaving, I realised that I had forgotten to do two very important things. The smell of the a314 artificial fragrance must have caused some lack of clear thinking and mental complacency. I’d never normally make a basic mistake like that.

Self effects:

High voice and strangled feeling in throat. Can’t tell what other effects are present. Have read too many journals and have too many expectations but am concentrating on observing rather than expecting. Reduced sense of thirst. I normally have a healthy thirst for water, but drank almost nothing from 5pm to 10.45pm. Strong desire for sugar, something I don’t usually have.

Effects on others:

None noticed so far. I was looking but didn’t see anything.

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Applied a tiny amount of Jasmine EO to neck below ears. Less than a single drop. The jasmine I have is a 3% dilution, with the remaining 97% jojoba oil. I figured it was OK to apply it straight since it is already diluted.

Sprayed one spray of a314b togo onto my throat, then realised immediately that it was the scented one (even though I had ordered Stealth). So I washed it off, because the artificial fragrance really messes with my mind and body.

I was going to put on some IG, then saw that the bottle was almost half empty. I’ve never used it before, so it was delivered that way. Thought I had better sort that out with customer service before I start using it. Seems like togo bottles can leak sometime during the delivery process, whereas the 30ml bottles don’t. I will probably avoid ordering any product in the togo format in future.

So although this was meant to be a mone report, it has become a Jasmine EO report. I’ll probably get kicked off here if I keep this going too long, so I’ll make sure the next one is a pheromone report.

SELF EFFECTS of Jasmine:

Immediate mood lift. Felt very relaxed. Went to pick up an item that I’d bought online. After driving there, parking and walking to the pickup store, I discovered that there had been a mixup and that the item was not there. Normally I’d be a bit disgruntled, but I felt completely unconcerned and not bothered at all. Quite out of character. Also felt quite confident walking down the street. Later felt very relaxed and chilled out. All this from less than a drop of jasmine.

EFFECTS ON OTHERS:

None that I could really tell. No one else seemed affected by the jasmine except me.

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With the A314 I would try a few more times and maybe try on your wrists so you won’t get any self effects. I would at least try once more here and then if you are still not getting what you want contact them and I am sure they will fix your issues for you.

Nice jasmine report! I bought a blended version from Wal-Mart for like $6 and am not sure of how much it is diluted. I am interested in hearing more on how you tie in your pheromones and EO’s!

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Thanks justintime469, that sounds like good advice. I’ll try a314 on my wrists instead.

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I’m starting to think that maybe self effects are more important to me than effects on others. I don’t mean that in a narcissistic way. I just mean that feeling good about yourself is more important than what others think about you, right?

If mones (and/or EOs) can help you to feel better about yourself, then that could be worth its weight in gold. Any improvement in what others think about you would be a huge bonus, but not necessarily the most valuable part.

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I totally agree and a lot of user are more focused more on how it effects others which don’t get me wrong is great. But I have found with my combos that I am very critical of my placement of each one so I get the max effect out of them. For example I almost wear the “feel good” pheromones on my throat so it hits me to like IShine, P97, and P96. This way I feel good and it shows! Now with some like say IH I wear on my wrists as I don’t want the self effects of this one.

So yes you have totally the right idea in my book! To me this is the best practice just like you are doing!

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12.30pm applied two sprays of p96 (2.5mcg per spray, Stealth unfragranced) to front of neck, plus two dabs of Jasmine EO under ears.

An hour or so later, I ran some errands, including some EO shopping. Spent a lot of time sniffing different EO tester bottles. The store itself had some strong food odors that made it difficult to smell the EOs. I found myself feeling down after. Not sure whether it was the p96 or the EOs, but more inclined to think it was the EOs. I felt fine for the hour or two after applying the p96, but before smelling the EOs.

Later in the afternoon I somehow mistakenly blamed the p96 for how I felt, so I thought that maybe Ammo might be an antidote. So I applied two and a half sprays of Ammo 2x to the throat, on top of the p96. Didn’t make any difference to my mood, which suggests that the EOs were to blame, not the p96.

Hard to say exactly how much Ammo 2x I applied. I tried to prime the pump so that the first squirt was a strong one, but it was not full power, so I squirted about three times all up, in the hope of getting the equivalent of one full spray.

Not sure about p96 hits, especially since my 5mcg dose was relatively low compared to most people’s usage. One woman was standing next to me for a while smelling some other EO-related products, but she actually chose one, so it seems like she had a genuine reason to be there. The guy working in the shop lent me a paper cup half filled with coffee to reset my nose when switching from one EO to another. The woman came back to the same area and accidentally knocked the paper cup onto the floor. She was quite apologetic to me and touched my arm, but most people would be similar, so I wouldn’t attribute that to the p96.

After I had applied the 2.5 sprays of Ammo 2x at around 6pm, I had a training session with two clients (me training them). They were sitting on the couch opposite me. One male, one female. They are a couple. Mid 20s, I’d say. The woman (8.5/10) was blushing quite a bit for the first half hour and didn’t make a lot of eye contact with me. She calmed down in the second half hour they were there. That might have been an Ammo 2x hit, or an Ammo 2x + p96 hit. Or she might just have been tired and overheated after a long day in her regular job location. The guy seemed fine, but then he works a totally different job in a different location. I made some comments about what a great couple they make, both personally and professionally, and she seemed to relax after that.

Also, after applying the Ammo (but not immediately), my voice regained its natural depth and resonance that it had lost after sniffing all the EOs earlier in the day. I never used to apply Ammo in the center of my neck before, so I never experienced the self effects before. Interesting!

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Another thing I find tricky with these new Stealth unfragranced mones is how to cover them up. The enone ones smell, unlike the others. But I’ve read people like Jdub, justintime469 and mobocaster (listed alphabetically :wink:)who say that antibacterial EOs are not good for mones. So it seems like you can’t cover an unfragranced mone with EOs, even if the EOs are mixed with alcohol.

What I’ve discovered is that applying EOs mixed with a carrier oil only covers up a small patch of skin, but a spray from 30ml mone bottle covers a large area of skin. So you have potentially a large area of stinky enone with a small patch of EOs, trying to mask the odor somehow.

Maybe switching to EOs in alcohol plus choosing EOs that don’t kill bacteria would be the solution to the problem.

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Just read a 2015 post from Miss Dragon saying that p96 can cause sadness in some people. Maybe it wasn’t the EOs after all…

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Yesterday might have been a negative reaction to p96. Or it might have been a reaction to the Sage essential oil I bought and was sniffing quite a lot. Just read that Sage essential oil contains a high “thujone” content. Thujone mimics estrogen (screws up your male system) and can be highly neurotoxic (screws up your brain) and hepatotoxic (screws up your liver). Guess I won’t be using any Sage in my EO mix! Clary Sage is a safer alternative to Sage, apparently. One aromatherapy site basically said that Sage should not ever be used. For anything. Ever.

I think p96 is worth another try. Other more experienced users seem to like it. And the HB8.5 yesterday seemed to respond to the Ammo/p96 mix. I’ll try p96 again soon. And I’ll try Ammo again soon - really liked the positive effect on my voice.

Today: Applied 1 spray IG (togo) to front of throat at 2pm plus dabs of Jasmine 3% EO (under ears).

Noticed that I can smell the faint but kinda pleasant odor of the unfragranced IG wafting up from my throat. Putting the EO under my ears makes a sort of blend. Not sure what I will do when I want to test TUTH. Might have to use an EO in alcohol over it. Something like Vanilla EO, because*it isn’t antibacterial.

I thought alcohol itself was antibacterial, so it doesn’t make sense to me that antibacterial EOs would make a difference. Maybe they are more viciously antibacterial than alcohol itself.

SELF EFFECTS:

Feeling of increased determination. Nice smooth, relaxed vibe. Calmly confident. Had a great afternoon overall. Around 7pm started feeling very tired. IG worn off? Or just tired and hungry? More testing required.

EFFECTS ON OTHERS:

Things seem to flow smoothly. Treated with normal respect but not fear. East Asian GF highly appreciative of me, probably due to the erone in IG. And also because I’m an OK guy :slight_smile:

BENEFITS OF JOURNAL:

Aside from helping the mones community a little, one of the other benefits of keeping this journal is that it helps with thinking more clearly (about mones and EOs). Especially handy if you temporarily screw up your brain with some Sage EO.

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Interesting journal! I’ll have to subscribe to witness your progress. :slight_smile:

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Journal 6

After breakfast, 1 spray Ammo 2x to throat, 1 spray IO to throat, 1 spray IS 2x to hair, several dabs of Jasmine 3% EO.

Jumped into car with GF and drove to an outdoor public event. Breathed in a lot of IS 2x while driving. After getting out of car, felt incredibly tired. Must have been the effects of the IS 2x. First time I’ve used IS in five years, so it was a shock to the system. Continued feeling very tired. Craved sugar, as if I had low blood sugar (not usually a problem for me). Didn’t really feel normal until after eating lunch, but still felt much more tired than usual. GF felt tired too, though not as much as me.

Took a shower before dinner to wash off the mones. Applied 2 sprays Ammo 1x to throat, 1 spray IO 1x to throat, 1 spray p96 2.5mcg also to throat. EO mix (Jasmine, Vetiver, Oakmoss, Vanilla in Perfumer’s Alcohol [PA]) to sides of neck, away from mones area.

Went to a cocktail networking event in the evening, arriving about 8pm. Social skills rusty, so difficult to get started, but things improved over the course of the evening, before leaving at 10.30pm. Except for one woman about 35-40, guys were more interested to talk to me. Had OK conversations with women but no noticeable IOIs. So mones seemed to help with putting guys at ease, at least. I want to improve my social/networking skills and that is one of the main reasons I’m using mones again this time. Socialising is a muscle and it has been a long time since I’ve exercised (or even flexed) that muscle.

Didn’t feel any depression from*the p96. Admittedly it was only 2.5mcg, but the previous time I wore 5mcg, the p96 wasn’t the problem - it was the dreaded Sage EO. So I’m keen to try higher doses of p96 on its own. Some people seem to have used much higher doses of p96, like up to 60mcg in some cases. Also want to try IS 2x on its own, to see if I can overcome the crash and fatigue effects.

SELF EFFECTS:
Felt gradually more confident, though far from the level of confidence I’m hoping to eventually achieve. Will be interested to try CTTM oil and MX597 oil when they arrive. Felt more alert than before. Not sure whether this was thanks to dinner or the mones or both.

EFFECTS ON OTHERS:
Males seemed relaxed and friendly toward me. Easy to converse with them.

Tomorrow having a family dinner. Thinking of trying one or two drops of a314 on wrists. Or maybe IG, but I’m running low on that because my Togo was delivered almost half empty to start with. I quite like IG this time round and think it might work well with my family.

Application points:

Am wondering how to manage application points when I end up using three different things - mones in oil, mones in spray and EOs in spray. Not sure if there is enough real estate available, given that spray coverage can be quite large. Maybe EOs in carrier oil would take up less space than EOs in spray. Or maybe a little overlap in spray coverage is not the end of the world.

All my mones are in Stealth 1.0 unfragranced. Noticed that I can smell the mones after they have been sprayed to the front of my throat. I don’t mind the smell (except for TUTH, which is unbearable), but I’m not sure I want others to smell them, because they are a typical mones odor. Really want to cover them with my EOs in alcohol, but am holding off doing that in case the EOs neutralize the mones via some antibacterial qualities.

Showers:

Had three showers today and wore three different tshirts. First shower on rising. Second shower after coming home in afternoon. Third shower after coming home at night. Feel like I’m unintentionally enriching water utility companies and soap manufacturers in my quest to start with a clean mones slate each time.

Random asterisks:

Noticed that when I copy and paste my text into the forum reply editor, random asterisks get inserted into the text. Not going to lose sleep over it, but please ignore meaningless asterisks in my posts if any pop up.

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I will try to find it, but Mobocaster mentioned that with IShine it is important to stay hydrated with this one or it can have the exact effects like you describe.

I would try to either drop the IO or up the Ammo and the reason why is Ammo does have A-Nol in it and so does IO, so this particular mone maybe detracting a little from the others in Ammo causing the mix to be more Beta with men.

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Thank you justintime, I never knew that. Thought I’d read the whole of mobocaster’s journal, but I must have missed where he mentioned hydration and IS.

Thank you also for the mix tweaking advice & explanation. Makes sense.

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I’m laying in bed and just noticed that even though I had a shower (third one today), if I touch or rub my throat where the mones were applied, then bring my fingertips to my nose, I can still smell the mones. I washed that area three times with soap during the third shower alone, but that’s obviously not enough. Gonna have to scrub harder!

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9.30am a314 1 drop shared between back of both hands, EO spray nearby
2pm a314 another drop shared between back of both hands, EO spray nearby
3.30pm 4 sprays of p96 2.5mcg to neck (total 10mcg), EO spray nearby

Spent an hour helping out the 17 year old son of a friend. Interested to see whether the a314 made any difference. Hard to tell effects on him, but certainly made me feel better. Then had a (hispanic) female client early 40s in a meeting in my office for two or three hours from 12.30pm. I was watching to see if she behaved differently. Didn’t notice a lot of difference, but the sudden change in my mone sig might have seemed a bit inconsistent to her.

A big thanks to justintime469 who suggested putting the a314 onto my hands or wrists, instead*of my throat. Made a huge difference - the fragrance didn’t mess with my head this time round. My voice sounded deeper too. Not sure whether it was because I spent the previous evening shouting above the noise, or because of the a314, or something else. Anyway it was nice to have a deeper voice today.

Had a few minor disagreements with my GF today. I think the a314 gave me the attitude of “my way or the highway.”

I could also feel that I needed to consciously chill out when driving. I felt like I was demanding higher standards both of myself and of other drivers, which is not always a reasonable attitude.

Had a big family dinner in the evening. When I arrived, my dad seemed extra pleased to see me. And I didn’t react to him like I usually do. I didn’t get irritated at his comments or attitudes. We didn’t push each other’s buttons like usual. I was pleased to be around him and I think he felt the same too. I don’t know whether it was the a314 or the p96. Probably the p96. Or maybe a bit of both.

Either way it was one of the best experiences with my dad since I was a kid, which is really saying something. Guys who already get on well with their dads might think this sounds ridiculous, but this one family dinner justifies the hundreds of dollars I’ve recently spent on mones. Sorry this is not as exciting as a story of a ONS with some super hot babe, but to me it is way more worthwhile. There are millions of girls out there, but you only have one father.

Also discovered that two of the supplements I was taking have an estrogenic effect. One of them was propolis. Amazing how many herbal remedies are estrogenic. A partial list would include St John’s Wort, Milk Thistle, Propolis, Licorice, Evening Primrose, Flax Seed, Soy, Gingko Biloba, Fennel, Cashews, Walnuts, Pistachio nuts. Would be unwise to use mones and then destroy your testosterone with herbs that boost estrogen.

I’m starting to see what mobocaster meant when he said it took him a month of using a314 to become congruent with its vibe. But I’m keen to keep going. It’s quite a buzz to feel that sense of masculine power and calmness that a314 seems to give you.

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Wow I am really impressed by your story, as I totally agree and a lot of us are not all about ONS or hooking up and the fact that you really connected with your father like you did and mentioned goes way beyond words and this really warms my heart hearing this story and thank you for sharing this.

You actually have a perfect setup with the A314 and P96. I would test the A314 more for sure and the P96 works very well with the A314 and just with these 2 alone you should be able to wear for any environment.

It took me a while to figure out A314 also, so no worries you are on the right track and is normal. With P96 it is a must have and if you ever think you OD on the A314 just add more P96 and it will smooth things out.

Great work! You are always welcome in my journal and I am open to advice to so don’t be afraid to leave any and all feedback good and bad, as this is what helps us to become great!

Rep to you for sharing and opening up and your great work!