Wow that definitely sounds like the young edition is geared towards younger women then. Nice results.
Based on this morning’s bed activities with my GF, it looks like my sex drive is back 
And I’m firing on all cylinders too, which is very pleasing. I guess those amino acids, adaptogens and vitamins are working.
Today: 2x 314 Stealth below ears, 2x p96 oil on side of face in front of ears (as per Mobocaster’s tip on application points).
I worked up a sweat during sex this morning but didn’t have time to shower afterwards, although I had a shower right before bed last night. I don’t know if this is related, but after applying the mones oils, I felt a mild stinging sensation on the application sites. I’ve never felt that before. Maybe it was the Stealth oils having some kind of reaction with whatever was on my skin after sex. This sensation lasted for about an hour after application and took a lot of discipline not to rub or scratch the application sites.
The other thing I noticed was almost no self effects from the mones today. I still got plenty of respect from people wherever I went, so the effects on others were good. But I didn’t feel anything from the a314 or the p96 myself. Surprising, considering I was wearing 20mcg p96, which is double what I usually wear. Of course, I usually wear p96 as sprays on my throat, not oils on the sides of my face, so that might be why. I chose the p96 because I didn’t want to bring anything with me and figured the oil should last longer than the spray.
I’m wondering how much the EOs in regular a314 contribute to the self effects. Whenever I smell the regular a314 on myself, I get a little boost of confidence and calmness. But with the Stealth version, there is nothing to smell. There is no olfactory reminder of a314’s presence. Which makes it more subtle, I guess. But I don’t ever consciously think, “I feel confident and calm,” like I do with the regular a314. So any self effects are subliminal, not consciously perceived.
hi tonyman, how would you compare the p96 oil with the p96 sprays? which appears to be more effective?
Hi mahalo silver, at this stage it’s difficult for me to say whether the oil or the spray is more effective. I’ll need to try again with the p96 oil applied to the front of my throat, which is where I usually put the p96 spray.
It probably doesn’t help that I’ve never tested p96 solo. Perhaps some of the more experienced users here could answer your question better than I can.
I’ll use one drop (10mcg, same as I use in the spray version) of p96 oil on my throat, along with my usual 2 drops of a314, and I’ll keep an eye open for self effects.
I’ve been working with a new client this week. She is a woman in her early 40s who is an artist. Mother of three kids, she has a dumpy body and is a bit overweight. I have zero interest in getting hits from her.
I just find her a total energy drain to work with. I can’t describe exactly why. But after three hours with her, I felt exhausted and flat, even though our interaction was professional and polite. I suspect she may have Aspergers.
I’ve come in contact before with a couple of other women who have had (undiagnosed) Aspergers Syndrome, but whose friends suspected they (the 2 women) had Aspergers. Women with Aspergers have fleeting but easy smiles (almost meaningless, ie they smile without joy), very little empathy for other people, can be cold and abrupt and don’t have a lot of social skills. Quite different to psychopaths who can be very charming and socially adept. Also Aspergers women have poor communication skills, which is unusual for women in general.
The first day I worked with her, I wore 3 drops MX597 (before I met her, I had no idea what she looked like or who she was, and I wanted to test MX597 oil again). The second day I wore 2 drops a314 and 1 drop MX597. I thought the higher status of a314 might help, but it didn’t make any difference in this situation.
Today I applied 2 drops a314, 1 drop MX597 (by mistake - didn’t read the label) and 1 drop TAC oil. The TAC certainly helped, along with my lowered expectations of working with my client. Once I mentally accepted that she was basically a cold, extremely self centered and socially inept person, my expectations of her dropped to zero. The normal expectations I would have of a normal person just don’t apply to her, so getting rid of them made the experience much easier. I also think the TAC helped me a lot with its self effects, because this is the second time I’ve added it to a mix and this is the second time it’s helped me feel great.
It is also possible that without any mones at all, she would have been even more difficult to deal with.
This situation has been about dealing with a difficult person who apparently doesn’t respond to any of the mones I’ve worn. The mones work great with normal people, but not with her. I’ve realized that I can’t change her, I can only manage myself.
So far the lessons for dealing with this situation have been #1 change my own attitude (by lowering my expectations) and #2 wear mones for self effects only.
Hi Tonyman, may I find out from you what is the time period from application to meet up in person.
In my journal I reported on the A oil in Nude which is for women and have not tested the stealth version yet.
But with the A oil in Nude verse the 6% Neroli spray what I have found is the Spray is more like a Nitrous race car where you have all your power up front, but dies off like 4-6 hours.
With the Oil it was more like a turbo car where it took a little longer like 30-45 seconds to really hit my targets hard, but once it did it hit much harder than the spray and the oil lasts longer. Kind of how a takes some time for a turbo to spool up to make power, well kind of of the same thing.
Now when I used the 2 together it worked very well and found in the same MCG to use about 1/2 spray to 1 drop. The problem is when making combos you can quickly run out of real estate. I hope this help you out and my full report on this can be found in my journal and is the A oil in nude where I compare to the TAA spray.
Sorry for high jacking the journal, just trying to help everyone.
Hi Glycerine, between 15 to 45 minutes, but we were together for about 3 hours or more, so it would have kicked in long before she left.
Hi justintime, no problem with the hijack - always glad to hear your words of wisdom.
I’m still not sure how the p96 oil works. I understand what you mean about the delayed action, but I didn’t notice the same overall impact as with the p96 spray. So far I’m loving the MX597 oil and the TAC oil, but I’m not sold on the p96 oil or the Shine oil. That’s for both self effects and effects on others.
I’m not as experienced as you or some of the other guys writing journals here, so I could be wrong.
I was missing the self effects from*the Stealth version of a314. Turns out that the a314 that I thought I had been applying recently has been a314 Young Edition, which is perhaps why I haven’t had the self effects or the authority I was expecting. At my age, I really should be using the regular a314, not the Young Edition. YE doesn’t have enough enone for me.
Re the new oils - the viscosity of an oil (how quickly or slowly it flows) changes with temperature. Oils flow more easily at high temperatures and more slowly at low temps. So applying one of the new oils (or a314) during hot weather requires a bit more care, because the more viscous oil can sometimes flow right off your fingertip before you get a chance to apply it to your neck or your wrists.
MX597 (MX297 oil) makes my chest go tight after application. I notice a distinct shortness of breath. Nothing serious, but slightly uncomfortable all the same. This is a self effect. None of the other oils have that effect as far as I have noticed - just MX597.
So I don’t think it is due to the Stealth formulation of the oil, but more due to MX597 itself. However, I don’t have MX297 spray in Stealth to compare it to.
I’m not noticing any fantastic results from the Shine oil so far. No noticeable self effects or effects on others at this stage. I do have Shine spray in both 1x and 2x. That was a lot more noticeable in its effects.
Wore 3 drops MX597 to an extended family event one afternoon. Noticed highly beneficial self effects - found socializing much easier. Not sure if there were any hits or not. One attractive brunette made a beeline for me when she arrived, but apparently we had met and spoken at the same event a year ago. Don’t know how I managed to forget her, but I had. I didn’t remember her name or her face, even though she remembered everything about me.
Today 2 drops MX597 oil to the neck at 9.30am.
Primary interactions: GF, 17yo guy (training client), 30yo female (training client), store clerk (female late teens).
GF is very preoccupied with other stuff today, so no notable effects other than strong affection and appreciation when she can drag her mind away from her preoccupations.
17yo guy was cooperative and respectful but then he is generally a good kid. I guess a little more respect than without mones. I’m often wearing a314 these days when I work with him, so that’s obviously a different level of respect when I wear that.
30s female client (around noon) was very attentive. She is a personal trainer, but only a 5 or 6 (out of 10). She was very focused on the work, so difficult to notice whether there were any hits or not.
Store clerk was in her own teenage dreamworld that neither I nor my mones was able to affect in any way.
About a week ago my prostate started aching intermittently so I stopped the Citrulline, Arginine and Lysine, as well as starting Nettle herb. I stopped the Nettle after about three days because I read it kills your libido, which it certainly did. Stopping the Citrulline and Arginine probably played a big part there too.
Stopping Citrulline and Arginine might have affected my own internal phero production, because I haven’t been noticing the same effects on others recently.
Recently read (on another site) about Monolaurine to extend the duration of fragrances (and potentially pheros). I’ve ordered some and will try it with my EO mix.
I also read that monolaurin inhibits bacterial conversion on the skin. Monolaurin is meant to have some antifungal, antiviral and antibacterial effects. It’s supposed to help extend short lived social mones so that they can last as long as longer lived mones like enone. I’m wondering if it is already used in some of the Androtics products already. Apparently it is more effective than DPG in extending the life of a fragrance or a phero.
Found some alternative 5ml bottles for anyone who doesn’t like the 5ml togo bottles. Their title on eBay (if you want to search for them) is “New Portable Mini Fashion Travel Refillable Atomiser Spray Perfume Deluxe Bottle”. The inner bottle is glass but it is protected by an outer metallic cover. The metal dents relatively easily, so you have to be careful about crushing it, but overall it’s better than the plastic togo bottles. The sprayer works well. These bottles end up a bit larger than the plastic 5ml togos. Many of the colors and designs are way too feminine, but the plain black ones look OK. You could scratch it up with some sandpaper if it really bothered you.
There is another alternative if you want to keep using the standard plastic togo bottles. An old post of justintime’s that suggested wrapping teflon tape (used for pipe sealing) around the screw threads on a plastic togo bottle, then screwing the spray head back on. That is a great idea. I just installed a new shower head, so I’ve got some teflon tape laying around. Anyway, it’s one of the cheapest things available from a plumbing supply store. You just need steady hands to wrap the teflon tape around the full togo bottle so that you don’t spill the contents.
I used up one of my recent Togo bottles from Androtics and took it apart as I saw some type of white thing by the spray head and wanted to see what it was.
When I took the spray head off I noticed what it was, is a type of seal that actually goes inside the bottle and is like a collar type of seal. Very nice!
With the Teflon tape it has to be the white type because the yellow and pink tape is to thick and what it is are those version are meant for gas pipe fittings and why it is thicker. The white version is made for water type of pipe fittings. It is only about $1 for a roll and it will work for hundreds of bottles and it only takes about 2 wraps around the threads and it HAS to be put on clock wise for it to work because putting it the other way the spray head when screwed on will just push it down and it will not seal.
I have also learned that after this it is best to put some tape(the regular envelope type) over where the spray head meets the bottle itself. I just learned this myself as the other day I had a Togo mix I made and the top got loose some how in my pocket and the mix leaked all over. I now take the clear tape and tape the same way as the Teflon tape from right to left and I have had no more issues.
I have found getting older now that I have had issues with my prostate with taking certain supplements and now have to be careful myself. I take Saw Palmetto now to help my prostate out. I use to be able to eat or juice celery and now I can’t anymore as my prostate throws a fit.
I have found a basic healthy eating lifestyle and a basic multi works best for me. I have my current supplement routine in my journal in my guide. A basic healthy lifestyle works wonders and is a big role in how well the pheromones work. I mean you have got to be the best you to really get the best effects out of the pheromones for sure and want to thank you for sharing everything you do on this. I am always looking for new things to maybe add that will make things better.
Thanks for the added detail, Justintime. Much appreciated.
I looked at my own togos from Androtics. At least one of them (an IO togo) has that white inner seal you mentioned. However it didn’t prevent leakage in shipping, because that IO lost quite a lot of its contents before I ever received it. Maybe the teflon is a better solution.
Surely there must be someone out there who understands fluid dynamics and hydraulic engineering and who can solve the thorny issue of togo leakage by designing a better togo. It’s understandable that togos leak when exposed to large air pressure changes, eg during flight, but it is not so forgiveable that they leak in your pocket at ground level. The 5ml glass bottles encased in metal I got from eBay don’t have any problems with leakage so far. And no tape required.
Re prostate - the Japanese successfully treat prostate problems with a combination of l-alanine, glycine and glutamic acid. 300mg to 750mg of each amino acid per day. I started taking the alanine and glycine a couple of days ago and will take delivery of glutamic acid early next week. I’ve also ordered some Pygeum, another prostate herb. I’ll let you know how I go.
p75 first use.
11.30am: p75 2x (or 1.5x sprays) 1mcg applied to front of throat. First spray was not a full one.
Situation: work
Nothing noticeable immediately. Temporary increase (30 mins) in horniness. Then strong desire to get things done - started working on stuff that I’d been putting off. Attended to some financial matters that had been put on the back burner.
This is may be an anti-procrastination phero for me. If it is, it’s worth its weight in gold. There are so many books and online courses and websites and programs out there about how to overcome procrastination. Who knew you could buy the solution to procrastination in a bottle?
If it really is an anti-procrastination phero, I hope the self effects continue on subsequent applications in the future.
Applied a third spray at 1.30pm.
Asian female client in late 20s arrived 2pm. Wouldn’t normally be attracted to her at all but found myself thinking erotic thoughts about her. Kept my exterior focused and professional, though. Didn’t notice any hits from her but she would have kept them pretty well concealed anyway, coming from a traditional South East Asian culture and not being very Westernized herself yet. Plus she also knows I have a GF. My client did blush a little but it was difficult to tell whether her blushing was because of embarrassment over her own mistakes or because of arousal.
Applied fourth spray at 4pm.
Didn’t really notice any increase in horniness or any obvious hits. If anything, maybe a reduction in horniness. By 5.15pm felt more normal, no obvious libido boost remaining. Was a little somber due to some serious professional news which probably overshadowed any phero effects. Felt also a little tired, but that was quite normal for that time of day.
So I probably applied a total of 3.5 to 4.0 mcg of p75. Maybe 2.5mcg to 3mcg is my sweet spot - whatever I was wearing prior to the fourth spray.
In retrospect, it looks like the libido boost lasted quite a long time, even though it varied. It’s not like I can afford to focus on my sex drive at work all day anyway, so it is natural that changing my focus to other things will gradually reduce that drive.
I like this phero. Seems to work well for me, as far as self effects go. Interested to see if it works the same the next time I use it. Also interested to see what effects it has on my GF and on other women. My GF is East Asian so p75 should work on her, hopefully.
With P75 my sweet spot is also right around 3MCG total. What I find interesting is Conjurator uses really high doses like 12.5MCG and higher and he has reported on this more than anyone else I think and you should check his journal out to see what you think.
I notice we are both into supplements and am wondering if this has some effect on how the P75 works since our dose is exactly the same on our sweet spot.
Lately P77 does for me the same exact things you are describing from your P75 experience. P77 helps me get in the zone and to get stuff done, but without the horny part.
Good Report!
Thanks Justintime - I never knew about p77. I’ll get some and give it a try soon.
I’m interested to maybe try a higher dose of p75 to see what happens. Maybe around my GF.
Yes, maybe you’re right about the supplements we both take and our response to p75.
Yesterday: 2pm 2 drops IS oil Stealth
I’ve tried IS oil a few times and haven’t noticed anything from it. No self effects and no particular effects on anyone else. This is in contrast to IS spray, which has had pretty intense self effects at least, although not so sure about effects on others. I’ve never heard of IS not working for someone before but maybe my individual phero signature doesn’t work with IS.
So I decided to put two drops of IS oil on the front of my throat this afternoon. I suppose I could have put them right under my nose, but I usually get quite strong self effects from whatever I put on the front of my throat, since that wafts upward into my nose anyway.
Not really seeing any effects from IS oil yet - neither self effects nor effects on others. Will try IS spray again soon and see what difference there is. Maybe I’m just not an IS kinda guy. Or maybe it’s just the oil. We’ll see.
Today 12pm: 2 drops a314 (maybe 3 drops - second one was quite big), 10mcg p96 spray to throat, EO mix to back of neck.
Good self effects. Visited new clients at their home. Sign on gate said beware of dog. I wrongly assumed that since they were expecting me, it was fine to enter. A rather chubby black labrador came up to me and was very affectionately sniffing me. I spoke to him and patted him. Then one of the clients came out of the house and apologized for the dog. She said it was unusual that he didn’t start barking, but that it looked like he just wanted hugs from me. Turns out that I hadn’t looked very closely at the dog. In fact he was a huge muscly rottweiler, not an overweight labrador. Good thing I was wearing a314 otherwise I might have got a less friendly response from the dog. Amazing the effect that a314 has on dogs. Maybe I could start a new career as a dog trainer.
Great training session with clients, who responded very well to me. Seems like the a314 and p96 mix was the right one to establish authority, gain respect and build connection. Plus it stopped me getting eaten by their dog. Thanks again, a314 and Androtics 
Have been taking Mucuna herb for libido for a few weeks, but am concerned it might be affecting my prostate, so have stopped temporarily. Have started taking White Willow herb which has worked like magic for the prostate, as well as fixing a whole lot of aches and pains I never knew I had AND boosting libido, which is an unexpected bonus. White Willow can cause skin itching unless taken with a meal, I discovered. Started pygeum herb today for the prostate and that seems very good so far too.
Added another drop a314, another 10mcg p96 and another EO mix sprayed to back of neck at 4.30pm. That was a mistake because I became a little irritable for the rest of the evening. That was not what I was expecting. It might have been caused by something else I did - something I ate for lunch perhaps, or the pygeum, but I don’t think so somehow. Nothing bad happened to make me irritable. Maybe I OD’d on a314. I wouldn’t have thought that 20mcg p96 would have counted as an OD. It might have been the extra EO mix I sprayed, although that seems unlikely too.
Went to a restaurant for dinner with extended family. One of the waitresses, an Asian woman in mid/late 30s, seemed to respond to my mix. Every time she brought food to the table, she seemed to put it down near me, even though we were at a long table. At the end of the dinner, she was clearing the table, standing next to me. She made light contact with her arm to my arm (she had bare arms, I was wearing a shirt) for several seconds. Will observe what happens next time I’m at the same restaurant.
With the A oil I find myself using both the spray and oil together just separate app points. For me 1/2-1 spray of 2.5MCG TAA spray to 1 drop oil is all I need to balance things out. I find with the oil the very same thing you describe where the oil works very well it is just not as fast acting as the spray. I really found this out when throwing some A oil in my EO diffuser. But once it kicked in it was really hard.
I don’t have any of the other oils yet to test, but I may try the P96 oil verse the spray to see if I get the same results.
Same mix today 12pm: 2 drops a314 below ears, 10mcg p96 to front of throat, EO mix to back of neck.
Same results - mild headache & irritability that lasted most of the day.
I think this is due to the new supplements. I had great results with p96 and a314 before. I stopped Pygeum in the evening and will see how things go tomorrow. Interesting the extent to which various vitamins, minerals, aminos and herbs can affect how you respond to pheros (and your own phero signature).
Will be interesting to see what results I get from IS oil once I sort out my supplements properly.
Same mix yet again: 2 drops a314 and 10mcg p96 and EO mix. Same results but slightly less intense than the previous day. p96 and EOs were applied to back of neck, not front. Still a slight headache and some irritability.
Went to the chiropractor (female late 20s). Things went well until near the end of the session she rubbed some special muscle cream all over my phero application points 
After lunch, wiped off the chiro cream and re-applied pheros. But this time used 2 drops a314 Stealth (& 10mcg p96 & EOs) instead of regular a314. Had fewer issues with headache and irritability this time round, even though it was the same day. Maybe the Pygeum is slowly working its way out of my system.
Pygeum is supposed to help prostate and libido. For me, it seemed OK for the prostate but harmed my libido. As soon as I stopped taking the Pygeum, my libido started returning.
So it looks like the Pygeum supplement is the cause of the bad self effects of the mones and EO spray. Interesting the extent to which supplements can affect phero response in the same person (me). Which also might explain why some pheros hit some women harder than others. One girl might have a Vitamin B6 deficiency. Another might have a Selenium deficiency. Another might have too much histamine in her system.
We need some kind of augmented reality smartphone app where you can point your phone’s camera at a woman and get a readout of her vitamin and mineral deficiencies, along with a recommended mix of pheros for various desired results (friends, ONS, relationship, respect, etc). I know that’s a couple of massive technological leaps right there, but there’s no harm speculating.
Anyway, I’m flushing the Pygeum out of my body. But it is also time to give the Ashwaganda and Rhodiola a rest. I’m going to substitute Schizandra and Astragalus. Who knows what they will do. I want to resume/start testing more putatives (p74, p75, p83, p130, p121, p128) as soon as my phero response is back to “normal,” whatever normal means.
By the way, got very good respect and appreciation hits from the late 20s/early 30s guy and girl I was working with this afternoon. I’ve noticed that my supplements seem to affect me more than they affect the hits on others. Just because Pygeum + mones = headache for me, doesn’t mean they cause headaches in anyone else. And it doesn’t mean that hits on others are prevented. At least not with this particular mix, anyway.
I read somewhere else on Pherotalk that p130 works well with dogs. I’m quite interested to test that, since dogs are very honest and open about their response to you. I’m not going to test totally random putatives with dogs, however. I’d hate to be the person who discovers that p899 is the one that makes dogs rip your throat out. :o