Tonyman's Journal

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Journals
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New Years Eve

2 drops MX597 oil; 2 drops Shine oil; both applied under ears.

Big mistake wasting these two new products because I was incredibly tired. Went out with GF to watch fireworks downtown. Shine wasn’t able to overcome my physical exhaustion from a tiring day plus lack of sleep the previous night. Only hit seemed to be a young Asian girl late teens/early 20s in ice cream shop who looked unusually pleased to serve me, but difficult to confirm. I wasn’t in the mood for chatting or socializing, due to fatigue.

New Years Day

2 drops a314 Stealth; 15mcg p96 to front of throat

Love this combo for its self effects and the effects on GF, who again was extra appreciative and happy to be around me.

Hits - got called Sir a couple of times. You might think that’s normal for someone of my age, but I look and sound about ten years younger than my age and I wasn’t wearing a suit. Cafe male 50s proprietor was very deferential and called me Sir. General store clerk girl 16/17 started a chatty conversation while serving me. Older server female 50s called me sir and was very pleasant. These may barely qualify as hits to most people, but they are different behaviors than I’m used to. I haven’t been the most alpha or super approachable person in recent years (something I’m working on changing), so these are hits for me.

Interesting to see that a314 Stealth seems to work just as well as regular a314. I still miss the smell of the EOs in regular a314, but the results seem just as good, so far.

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I definitely think being called sir is a hit. I get it from time to time with certain mixes, and by much older people than myself at times, and I can tell by their demeanor they are like trying to avoid offending me or stepping on my toes.
Nice results.

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I’ve tried L-Arginine and L-Citruline and IMO, L-Citruline trumps Arginine tremendously. I think it’s way better for NO.

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Ah ok I see..

Yeah I agree, you have to sort of be committed. Another way is to juice the celery mixed with fruit juice and it’s quite easy and tasty.
At first I found conflicting info on celery too, thought maybe it’s eRone rather than ENone, but firstly my results with it definitely seem ENone rather than eRone. And secondly, I did a little more digging and the consensus seems to be ENone.. here’s some links..

PNAS | Mobile

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Vera_Voznessenskaya2/publication/255964691_Roles_of_the_main_olfactory_and_vomeronasal_systems_in_the_detection_of_androstenone_in_inbred_strains_of_mice/links/00b4952110165162ec000000.pdf

Ah, the p95 thing is interesting. Did you notice any results around women? I’ve always found it lights them up like little girls, but thinking back, I think I did see results in men that were less favorable.

I thought the same exact thing. I had floral scents and some vetiver and some others that seemed ok. So I figured what the heck, cedarwood should be ok too. But wow, that stuff is harsh, I ended up with a headache and a runny nose and sinus pain. If you’re sick, it’s supposed to be a good remedy, and now I know why.

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Thanks for your replies, Jdub. Thanks also for the links about celery and enone. That’s good news. Looks like you dug deeper than I did. Interesting that you found Citrulline better than Arginine. Seems to be safer than Arginine too, from what I’ve read so far.

When I used the p95 on Christmas Day, I don’t remember specific results around female family members. I got on pretty well with them all. But maybe the p95 also triggered the disagreement and annoyance I had with my father. Maybe it triggered him just as much as it triggered me. I wonder if p95 requires buffering with extra p96 or something like TAC or p74.

Yesterday - 2 x drops MX597 oil, 2 x drops IS oil

Was not feeling this mix at all when used for the second time. Hung out with GF and another couple for cakes and coffee during afternoon and evening. Realized that adrenal exhaustion is negatively affecting my neurotransmitters to the point where IS seems to have virtually no effect on me.

Have started various supplements to help adrenals and control cortisol levels. Will hold off MX597 and IS oil until adrenals are in better shape. I’m getting into stuff like Citrulline, Ashwaganda, Rhodiola, GABA and Theanine. Initial results are very promising. Never realized how much constant, low level anxiety and raw nerves I had previously, until I started these supplements.

Today - 3 drops a314, 20mcg p96

Hung out with four buddies for drinks after work. Felt self effects of a314 - erect posture, serious attitude. Maybe a little too serious though. a314 works with my current low energy levels, but should be much better when energy levels return to normal. Certainly got the respect from servers and from my buddies that a314 seems to encourage. So cool that stuff. First time I tried three drops of a314. Maybe a little too much, but I guess it depends on the situation. Maybe more of a work mix than a drinks with buddies mix.

I’m treating a314 as a kind of protective suit of armor at the moment, because of my low energy levels (“Low Energy Tony” - that’s what the President-elect would call me). But normal energy levels plus a314 equals a commanding presence, that’s for sure.

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Hi mate just caught up with the jist of your journal.. Its great to hear that the unscented a314 works as well as the normal stuff. Not many reports on unscented products yet so thanks. Also you’ll find we are often discussing our diets, sex drives and pheromones (natural and man made).. May I add that its interesting but rarely mentioned that eating celery also increases androstenol in your sweat too… To confide something I did not reveal in my journal which may or may not help you after reading you Intro. I also found myself in a state of low libido last year… Turns out it was a side effect of taking saw palmetto… I read that it had caused irreversible erectile dysfunction in some men… I went floppy a couple of times on some women… Was quite embarrassing and effected my confidence and quality of sex. Basically i turned it all around with diet. One thing that will increase your sex drive and will give you uncontrollable erections at times is ginseng.. Specifically ashwaghanda… I eat that shit all the time.. Gives me strength… Combine it with gingko too… My other favourite is shcissandra, when I take that I can hold back ejaculating for as long as I want causing a seriously explosive intense orgasm when I’m done. Point being take those three adaptogens, abstain from masturbation and I challenge you to have low libido lying next to you gf in bed. You can eat the stuff daily and it will make you feel great.. Sorry if I over jumped the mark here and you are just leaving the raunchy bits out of your journal for some reason.

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Also one of the main causes of andrenal exhaustion is caffeine!. All about herbal teas bey!

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I second the points made on caffeine and adaptogens. I like eleuthero myself for being able to prolong ejac time, schisandra seems to be a libido enhancer and I just bust faster on it.
Green tea has EGCG and that stuff will make you last long too. I found a really good herb for increasing erections is hawthorn berry. I buy it dried from my local health food store and literally eat like 6 berries a day and it helps tremendously.

Oh yeah and the androstenol thing, I agree. Namely because Androstenol is a metabolite of androstenone, so either in the body or on the skin by bacteria, androstenone converts to androstenol.

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Hey von_phero, thanks for the heads up on saw palmetto. Lucky you mentioned that, otherwise I might have tried it at some point in the future. Thanks for the gingko tip - I didn’t know about that.

I’m going to try schizandra soon - going to alternate it with ashwaganda so that I’m not taking the same herb all the time. I read that 3 weeks on, 1 week off, is a good way to make sure your body doesn’t get too used to a herb. Means that it still keeps working for you. I must be at an advanced stage of adrenal exhaustion if it’s affected my libido to this extent. Yeah, you’re right about the caffeine. I only managed to kick that habit recently.

Looks like celery is a winner all round - enone and nol. Would be great if we could grow different fruits and vegetables for each pheromone, or even for each product in the Androtics line. Like bnol broccoli, anol apples, a314 artichokes, p96 pumpkins, p75 peaches, etc.

No problem at all about the explicit information - much clearer that way! I only wish there were some little rollovers (like there is for the Androtics products) that decoded some of your rhyming slang :slight_smile: I never really mentioned much about sex because when your libido is low, there is not much to mention :frowning: Certainly have some good stories about my sex life and mones back when I first started on them, though :cool:

Thanks, Jdub, for the eleuthero info. I’ll look into that. Interesting how so many herbs that are good for the adrenals are also good for sexual performance. Didn’t know hawthorn berry was good for erections - I only heard about it for heart health (not an issue for me thankfully).

Today was my first mones-free day for a while. Noticed a few women checking me out in the street and grocery store. Must be the residual effects of the a314. I did notice that my posture and bearing were still a314-inspired, even though I wasn’t wearing any. That product poses a serious threat to the income of chiropractors.

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Jdub I’ve read that celery contains both androstenone and androstenol. Also I thought it was that androstenol breaks down to androstenone on your skin, not the other way around(may only be relevant for synthetic products.) We may have read conflicting sources. Also I find it interesting that schissandra speeds up your delivery time. With a high or recently taken dose touch down sometimes has to wait till the next day for me… Also worth noting it is an incredibly good liver cleanser.. when I combine all three in a smoothie, and have also taken it to 4 by adding st johns wort I feel fuckin on the ball. My vision sharpens up, I’m full of energy and more articulate. Its like being on some really good drugs, that are good for you… oh and not to forget throwing in bacopa and a choline source(eggs) I turn into a nutty professor on speed.. Love me adaptogens I do.

Tony as for the adaptogens I think you will struggle to eat them every day. I tend to take Mon to weds off then on Thursday to sun use like three different ones a day… I emphasize ashwaghanda (indian ginseng) is my best boner juice, simply can’t od on it, the more the better… Keep taking that stuff and your balls will keep filling up until you are physically forced to do something about it… Anyway keep the journal up and I hope that uncontrollable boners are in your near future.. Dish the dirt when it comes… All the best.

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Nice tips jdub.. More stuff to look into.

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@tonyman…

You are right about the on/off. I think that is like a rule for all supplementation. Got to keep the body guessing.

You know, I haven’t really come into contact with other plants that would give us results like that (anol apples, a314 artichokes, etc.) but celery is really potent. When I use celery, I basically just chew on some sticks throughout the day and make smoothies and/or juice it with fruit and drink that throughout the day and it’s given me crazy results. One time I did that and went to a strip club and this one little hot brunette stripper spent like almost the whole night hanging onto me telling me how sexy I was and that she didn’t even care about making money and that she wanted to have sex with me. She tried to sneak out to her car with me but the bouncer caught her and she got in trouble. On another occasion I had a ton of celery throughout the day, by the end of the day I went to get a massage. The massage was super sensual and when theasian chick was done she points to my cock and says ‘you want?’… then she tells me how much, and I’m like trying to be friendly so I say ‘no, I don’t have that much money sorry’.. she’s says ‘ok’.. and then jacks me off anyway! I was like woah! I’ve gotten tons of massages before but damn.. never do they give me a happy ending because they want to.. I have other exciting instances with celery use, that stuff is crazy good. But like I said, I juice the hell out of it and go through like at least a whole head in one day.. and I give myself plenty of time to sweat the mones out.

And yes that is exactly it with regards to the hawthorn, because it helps the heart pump blood more effeciently, that translates to much better erections!
I love herbs!

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@von_phero..

You know, I don’t think it’s conflicting info actually, I’ve heard all that stuff myself, also. Perhaps it’s both.. like maybe it’s a combination of all those, or perhaps the stuff I read doesn’t add up. But I will tell you this, when I have celery there certainly does seem to be effects only tied into ENone, and the fact that women are not shy at all to approach me and open up, it does seem there could be anol as well. It feels like there is a perfect balance in celery.

I have it in my journal somewhere but I ate a ton of celery and then wore just Jasmine EO and women were responding like crazy good. As good as I’ve seen from any phero combination.

I think I’m going to have to look into all those adaptogens you mentioned and the smoothie combo. I’ve tried them before but not like that combo you mentioned. Sounds epic.

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Thanks von_phero for the ashwaganda recommendation. I’m still taking it and have also started on B vitamins, Phosphatidylserine, Lysine and Arginine. That’s to get the cortisol under control.

Jdub I’m amazed by your results from eating celery. I’m back onto it.

Couple of days ago:

1x Ammo heavy to throat, 2x Molecule C oil below ears, 2x p96 oil below ears.

Working with male & female couple again. Female strawberry blonde mid to late 20s 8.5/10. Female blushing from time to time, but nothing excessive. Certainly more than previous time when a314 and p96 spray were used. Am going to wind back my testing with those two, because I have no desire to cause fallout. In future, I’ll stick to a314 or IG with them, or perhaps a314 plus p96 for the self effect of enhanced empathy.

Also noticed the mood lifting effect of Molecule C oil. Spectactularly impressive!

Next day:

1 x p128 to the throat. Unfortunately I had removed the label from this bottle and mistakenly wrote that it was Stealth. I was wrong. It was the Neroli scented one. Since I didn’t want this to be a report about my reactions to Neroli scented products, I washed it off and applied some regular a314. Didn’t fully get off the p128, despite having washed and scrubbed twice, so smelt a strange mix of a314 and Neroli all day. Will see if I have a Stealth p128 next time and try it instead.

In the afternoon of the same day, applied 1 drop Stealth a314 before going for a long walk with my GF. I realize there is no good reason for applying a314 before going for an outdoor walk, but something made me want to do that. She drove to where we were going to walk from. I noticed that the a314 kept me from making comments or recommendations about her driving. I just shut up and let her drive. The whole experience was so much simpler that way and she didn’t kill us or anyone else. I’ve experienced that with her once before, again when I was wearing a314. Being more alpha means being less controlling, I’m learning.

Had very low blood sugar by the end of the walk. I attribute that to adrenals & cortisol, not to a314. Was OK once I had dinner.

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Very interesting results..

What do you mean by ‘being more alpha means being less controlling’? Like being more gentleman-like?

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For some unknown reason, it’s the first time I notice this journal. It’s a great read. I’m definitely subscribing. Keep up the good work!

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not to derail but this made me think of a description i read on eNone vs eRone and let me to connect that there’s 2 kinds of ‘alpha’ behaviour. Aggressive/sexual and protective/dominant.

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Jdub, to me it feels like micromanaging is not a very alpha behavior. Commanding might be alpha but micromanaging suggests a lack of control, motivated by underlying fear and anxiety. Micromanaging comes from a weak sense of self. That’s what I feel from my own experiences, anyway.

Yesterday: 2x a314 below ears, 10mcg p96 spray to throat, EO mix (mostly vanilla & jasmine with a little vetiver and oakmoss) to sides of neck.

Just good interaction shopping and relaxing with GF. No hugely obvious hits but also no dramas with anyone. Good quality service from*the servers and store clerks I interacted with.

I noticed my EO mix didn’t seem to last as long as the a314 aroma. I can either bring along a little spray bottle or maybe I could make it stronger. I’m also thinking of remaking it as an oil-based cologne instead of an alcohol-based one. Just got to be careful with the intensity.

Like Conjurator, I quite like the smell of vanilla. I’m also a fan of sandalwood but I’ll have to try that again in much more dilute form, since I managed to give myself a headache when I mixed it too strong. But vanilla is always a pleasant scent to me. I know it’s meant to be feminine, but for me it smells a lot less feminine than Neroli. And I find it more calming than Neroli, which is famous for its soothing properties.

I seem to be becoming a boring a314/p96 user. I can’t seem to break out of that mix. I’ve got a couple of new putatives freebies to try out, but I need to find a day when I’m not doing mission critical work with clients or hanging out with close family. I don’t mind screwing up my relationships with total strangers (other than actual physical violence), but I’d prefer not to screw up relationships with people I already know. A lot of my work at the moment involves working one on one for long periods of time, so it’s kind of important that things go well.

My adrenal exhaustion seems to be improving already. I don’t know if it is the adaptogens, or the amino acids, or the Vitamin B complex I recently started taking, but things are starting to get a whole lot smoother. Even hints of my sex drive returning.

All of which means I will have the physical and mental reserves necessary for proper putative testing. Not to mention proper sweet spot testing of the Instant range, which I’m kinda embarrassed about.

Today: 3x a314 below ears, 10mcg p96 spray to throat, EO mix (mostly vanilla & jasmine with a little vetiver and oakmoss) to sides of neck (almost the same as yesterday, surprise surprise). I meant to only apply 2x a314 but a third drop snuck out of the bottle, so I thought I might as well use it.

Had a professional consultation with my young blonde chiropractor. Session went as usual, but afterwards she put her hand on my shoulder in a friendly, affectionate way on two or three different occasions. Usually she doesn’t do that at all, or maybe just once, so that was an improvement.

Got the wonderful self effects of a314 and p96 today in particular. That suggests to me that my own hormones are getting back to normal, because that was how I remember a314 feeling when I first started using it. Feel so smooth and calm and chilled with the a314/p96 combo.

Thanks for subscribing, Conjurator. I have a lot of respect for your own journal. And for your redhead preference. A partiality for natural redheads seems to be a common thread here.

On another note, I got burned recently buying Sandalwood essential oil on eBay from an Indian vendor. I received two shipments of some weird fragrance oil that smells absolutely nothing like sandalwood from any country, let alone India. I’m going through the usual eBay resolution process, but I won’t be making that mistake again. Ironic that the safest place to buy a genuine Indian product might be outside India.

The hedione I bought a while ago was also from India, now that I think of it. I wonder if that too was non-genuine. I might have to order a small amount of hedione from Perfumer’s Apprentice and see what kind of reaction I have to it.

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Same morning mix as usual: 2x a314 regular, 10mcg p96, EO mix, applied at 10am

Working with a client who brought his dog today. The dog was 18 months old, female. I was working with the client for three hours or so. He told me a few times that his dog had never been so quiet and well behaved, especially in a place she had never visited before. He couldn’t believe it, he told me. I just smiled.

Evening mix: Remnants of a314 and p96 from*the morning. Maybe some a314 left but probably no p96 remaining after such a long time. At 6pm, applied 3 drops MX597 (Stealth oil version of MX297). Hard to find sufficient real estate on your neck once you start applying lots of drops of oil.

Also, when I opened the MX597 and unscrewed the dropper lid, one drop fell off the tip of the dropper, even though I wasn’t squeezing it at all. Be careful if you’re using this oil, because you don’t want to lose a drop down the drain for no good reason. Next time I’ll touch it against the inside of the bottle opening, in case there is a loose drop waiting to fall.

Was quite tired, but had committed to go to a networking event, so forced myself to go.

The MX597 seemed to perk me up. It wasn’t like IS or anything, but it made me more alert once it started to take effect.

Arrived at the event. Mostly men over 30 and women over 50, for some unknown reason. Very easy to meet people with the MX597. Most of the time I didn’t have to introduce myself - people would just ask. I had a long conversation with one guy in his 30s and another in his 40s. Even though they had been talking before I joined them, they seemed to look to me for conversational direction. If I wanted to talk about something, that’s what we discussed. If I wanted to ask one of them a question, that would be the focus of the conversation for some time.

When the conversation flagged, they waited for me to pick it up or steer it in a new direction. Because I was tired, I couldn’t always be bothered to make the effort, so one of them (usually the younger guy) would pick up the baton and say something. Neither of them was a shrinking violet or a wallflower, but I drove the conversation. Those two guys were the only people I introduced myself to. Everyone else introduced themselves to me.

So an interesting day, experiencing the effects of a314 on a dog and MX597 oil for networking. I can see that I need to polish both my leadership skills and social skills a bit. It’s like the mones are holding the door open for me. I just need to walk right in, without getting in my own way. People will accept me as a leader or a socially smooth person based on the odor I give off. But it’s up to me to confirm their pheromonal prejudices. How interesting.

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5pm 2 or 3 drops a314 Young Edition Stealth version below ears, 10mcg p96 to throat, EO mix to sides of neck.

Nice comfortable self effects with this a314 Young Edition in Stealth fragrance. I’m not exactly sure why I bought the Young Edition (YE). Given my age, I probably should have asked Androtics to make a Geriatric Edition :wink: I just thought it might be a nice change from the regular a314 - not that there is anything wrong with the regular edition.

Had mid-late 20s couple for training session. No obvious hits but good respect from them. I’m experienced and knowledgeable in the area I’m training them in, so that naturally helps me to exude a certain amount of confidence. And they look to me as an expert in my field. So it’s difficult to say how much the mones affect them.

I think they were a little more relaxed than the times I wore regular a314 and p96. Definitely less blushing from the woman than last time with a different mix.

I think the self effects are a greater indicator for me. I felt relaxed and confident and maybe a little less serious than with regular a314 (both scented and Stealth). Some noises from the room behind me were making me smile when I was in the middle of a serious topic. Not sure if that would have been the same with regular a314, or if I’m just imagining things. I’ll have to try the YE again with a wider range of people.

Like I said, I’m so happy with normal a314 that there is no real reason for me to look for an alternative, except to explore different flavors of the alpha experience.

I did notice that although this mix had a generally positive effect on my GF (making her affectionate and appreciative), it didn’t have the same command power that the regular a314 has on her. When I told her to hang out with me in a different room or to go eat some food because she was hungry, she didn’t comply until I had told her two times or more. I’m used to higher levels of compliance and obedience from her when I wear regular a314.