GAH!!! Why did that post show up instantly and the one that asks about my replies to the postys before mine did not?? I asked if that post, somehwat long, was rejected and if ti could be sent back to me to edit if it was…
Hey Mewgirl,
I don’t think copulins would cause any agression, at least, haven’t heard that it would.
I kind of agree with the use of Instant Honesty. I think Instant Honesty would be good for the both of you as you can communicate better and understand each other’s view of the relationship better. It’s not just for him, it’s for the both of you.
I sincerely hope whatever it is with your relationship works out, with or without pheromones.
Liz
MEWGIRL
This is the forum that belongs to Androtics Smartmones Research. He didnt link to the company this is there store forum. Certain words will automatically link to the store. I am manually removeing your other links. I am one of the moderators by the way. You may talk about any mone product you want even ones not sold here in our store but please do not post links or use company names.
Your posts are not being disallowed or dissappearing they go into the spam filter until myself or steveO release them. This stops happening after 50 posts unless you continue to post these links then it they will continue to go into moderation. I do however have a job and I tend to need sleep so sometimes your post wont go through right away.
No I dont work for the store or get paid for moderating the forum. You can believe that or not dosnt make a difference to me. The people in this forum are good hard working honest people who use androtic products. They post freely when a product works and when it dosnt. 3 people on this forum work for androtics Jasmin, Mharris and just recently SteveO.
So what do they have that would make you believe theirs are better then the rest.
Androtics is not asking you to believe that. They are asking you to try them yourself and decide for yourself. They make this very easy for you.
You get a $15 dollar Gift cert for posting in the intro forum if you followed the intro post rules and added enough info about yourself.
You get 500 points for signing up to the smartmone store site which comes out to $5
They sell to-go size bottles of there consumer products which have about 40 sprays and can be bought at a low price so you can test them out. With the above GC and points you just got a product free if you buy a to-go. If they were not confident there products work then they would not sell to-go sizes
They offer a 200% guarantee on all consumer products.
They have a open forum where there customers may discuss the use of the products and yes people post if something dosnt work for them. There are alot of experienced mone users who visit this forum and try to help the new people get used to them and learn how to use them.
I have in my personal mone arsenal most of the products you have mentioned. I have just about every ladies product out there in fact. I choose androtic products because they work very well for me. There are some products from other places I also enjoy but I spend my time here because these are my favorites and the people on this forum are so open and true.
Yes I have read all of your posts, I know you dont want relationship advice so I am not going to give it to you and I dont believe I have. I have given you mone advice. I will repeat it though. You want to make him horny then get copulins. I use EOW which is not sold in this store. There are threads that Laurie mentioned that will guide you on how to use the product. There are also threads in the forum of the store that sells it that will help you use it. Do a google for Essence of Women and you will find it. I suggest you do seek advice on how to use it though.
Yes the alt text help to get a feel for what each mone molocule will do. I just wnat to be clear so you understand.
Anone worn in HIGH amounts can cause aggessiveness in men. They become competitive for the position of Alpha male.
Anone worn on a women in small amounts can intensify sexual feeling in her and make sex more intense. It can cause a man to become a little more sexually aggressive when exposed to it on her. So if you looking for hot wild animalistic sex then spike your product with just a tiny bit of anone. I suggest you learn more about mones first though.
Anone worn in large doses on a women will turn her into a horny evil bitch. Women tend to get bitchy when men wear high doses as well and depending on there personality some will get uneasy or scared.
This is why dosage and learning about the products is important. I wish I could tell you that there is one bottle with everything in it that will do it all for you and all you have to do is slap it but there isnt. We are all made different, we all make different mones naturally so we all tend to have different favorite mixes. We can however point you towards the ones that will be most likely to work for you and warn you away from the ones that dont work as alot of us in here are very experienced with mones and have tried many of the products you have mentioned.
To tell you the truth I have never used icebreaker but I know of the company it comes from and I dont do business with them more because I dont trust them. Its a reliabilty issue with me as well as I dont like the makeup of there products.
Now I am going to give you mone advice for your meeting. Get a to-go bottle of IH and some EOW. If you dont want to buy IH from here that is fine get some Nols from somewhere. Follow the instuctions in this thread. http://www.pheromonetalk.com/womens-pheromone-advice-tips-tricks/newbie-few-questions-1756.html
Keep in mind useing mones effectively takes patience, practice and testing to find whats right for you dosage wise. Use it for your meeting with your BF. Hopefully you can get a few practice runs in first. I am not going to guarantee that it will work but this is the right direction to take.
After that take time to really learn about mones. We have many links to studies and alot of info on mones in both the mens and womens section stickies. There are other sites that also have alot of info like the pherolibrary you mentioned.
Good luck to you.
Tisha
You are, from your posts, quite obviously an intelligent young lass.
You are, also, scattered and distracted.
It appears you have allowed yourself to be duped into some marketing scheme whereby you sell your time and your clarity of mind for pennies.
I predict your scattered and unfocused approach is going to begin alienating people shortly. When someone gives you the gift of their attention and thoughts, it is impolite to give them a frantic, poorly thought out and worded, reply. You may even be coming off as rude in manners you do not intend.
Reread my post. I didn’t recommend io for you.
Instant Openness is primarily based on alpha Androstenol. This is a unique chemical and the acceptable dosage ranges are not the same as the acceptable dosage ranges for Androstenone based products.
Hey mewgirl, I have read through this entire thread and all of your posts/concerns. I initially hoped to provide advice, then became concerned for your well being.
On the pheromone front, you should follow the advice provided by several members: Instant Honesty, which is a product sold here and you can use the gift certificate towards the purchase. Instant Honesty will make your boyfriend more willing to communicate and at a deeper level. Tisha also suggested EOW, which is a product NOT sold through this store, but will make your boyfriend WANT to have sex with you. EOW contains copulins, which are vaginal secretions that females produce during ovulation, and will increase the testosterone level in men by around 130%, and encourage sex.
None of the members in this forum are paid for providing advice or recommending products. We do so because we like the products, enjoy sharing our experiences and have a sincere desire to help others.
I did notice that you became combative in one of your posts and challanged statements made by several members. Please, please understand that nobody was telling you that you were wrong or trying to make a mockery of you. They were only providing personal opinions, advice and actual facts. And, their reasons for doing so were out of concern and sincerity and they were only hoping to help.
Several members did refrain from your request to offer advice only on pheromones, but please know that they did so out of concern and fear that if the peheromones don’t work, you might try to harm yourself. They were much more concerned with trying to help you maybe see things a little differently, than in trying to resolve an issue which they weren’t sure they could.
I am reluctant and ashamed to say this, but I’m going to anyway. When I was 23 years old I did try to kill myself over the lost love of a woman. She was the first woman that I truly loved, and without her I didn’t think I wanted to live and just wanted to end the pain and hurt. I ended up with 2 broken ankles, a broken knee, numerous cuts and lacerations and spending 3 months in a hospital. To this day I have several scars to remind me. I’m glad I didn’t succeed in my attempt, and now look back at it as the worst mistake of my life.
I have been in love several times since, and felt a greater and deeper love than I’d ever had for the woman that I once thought I couldn’t live without.
I guess what I am trying to say, is that I really do hope things work out for you, and I truly can and do sympathize with how you feel. But, know that if things don’t go the way that you want them to, you can and will find someone else who you will love even more, and who will love and appreciate you as much in return.
Whether you realize it or not, you have a lot of people here who really care about you and your well being, and will do anything we can to try to help.
I really hope things work out for you and wish you a LONG life filled with happiness.
Mark
Mewgirl,
Look at all these responses. Look at how many people did their best to give you the best advice they could come up with. Please re-read all the posts slowly.
We only wish the best for you.
Kitten
Mewgirl, on the pheromone front, I personally have been using them for over 4 years. I have used many of the products that you have named, and I can honsetly say this. Some of them had no effect, and some had minimal effects. Products by Androtics (whose forum you are now on), are hands-down, the best on the market. However, you cannot EXPECT them to work on the first time out (sometimes they do), but with some patience and testing, you will surely find some products here that will meet your needs. And, for the record, I am not employed by Androtics, nor compensated for posting these statements. I use these products faithfully, and they do what they claim to do.
I also wholly agree with the statements that you should steer clear of Androstenone. It is a men’s product, and has only limited applications for women. I did some tests with Androstenone and my fiancee, and when I was wearing it, he became angry, agitated, and aggressive. On a woman, it needs to be tempered by other pheromones.
I would suggest using the gift certificate and reward points that you have earned, and get a to-go size of Instant Honesty. With the GC and points value, you will end up getting it for just a couple bucks. This product will help to open the lines of communication with your boyfriend, so that maybe you can open up to each other and talk about what is really going on.
I know you don’t want relationship advice, but consider this…if you add a sexual element, it may confuse things farther. Why don’t you try talking to him, with the help of some Instant Honesty, without trying to get him to sleep with you? Maybe then you can get to the heart of your problems and issues without a sexual encounter.
I will also add this, and I hope you don’t get angry at this statement. Numerous other people on this forum have attempted to provide you with solutions, pheromone advice, etc. You have continually picked apart each and every post, become defensive, and come back with negative responses. I would suggest that you read the solutions that we have provided, and put the advice to good use. You are talking to people who have years’ worth of experience in using pheromones, not to mention life experience.
I do hope that, whether you “work things out” with your boyfriend or not, that you seek some professional help. I think that you have some issues with which you need some assistance. Your suicidal statements and desperate attitude indicate this. I sincerely hope that you find the happiness and peace that you seek.
No tisha, I wasn’t talking about the links that link to your store. I was talking about, when I had posted the links to other sites, the link text showed up as “Buy pheromones here - attract men - woeks great” or something of the like. I am not talking about links that show up automatically when you type words such as OD.
I wasn’t complaining about my posts not being checked by the mods right away!! No, a couple of my posts showed up instantly, without being checked, and others did not. I was confused, because at first I didn’t realize that only some posts were submitted for “checking,” and I thought that post #3 had been checked and approved, before post #1 had. Which would also make sense since post #3 was shorter, but then I was just hoping it had not been rejected and was requesting it to be sent back to me for editing if it had been, because it may not have been you that had moderated it if that had happened… I think I figured it out though; it may that posts sent using the “quick reply” option are not submitted for approval before showing up.
During the beginning of my most recent post, not everything was completely clear in my head; by the end of the post, it was more clear. I did not think you would get paid for moderating the forum but most companies or stores that have their own forums have the owners or employees as their only board staff as well. I do believe you when you say you are not staff of the store, I just assumed you were.
Thank you for that information; I don’t have ANY money right now so thanks for letting me know to search for the small size.
That’s usually a good indicator. However the Androstenone I bought originally for $100 (both men’s and women’s version) had a 200% guarantee as well. This guarantee was from the affiliate, of course (I still have not found the actual company that sells that one!). Of course, this product did end up doing something it was supposed to when I used it even though it didn’t have any effect on the guy I bought it for. But mosy people here do not seem to believe this works on men. Also, Pherlure has a full-refund guarantee as well, which is the only reason I even considered looking at it as it was otherwise too expensive and I had not used it before. I used to think a guarantee meant something about the product (in a little-known market, that is), but now I am not so sure. 200% though probably does.
You must have misinterpreted my meaning there, and I have to say I am very greatful that you have not gotten mad. You are explaining many things and missing or misinterpreting a few other things I say sometimes - and usually when that happens at a message board I just joined the person gets very mad at me. Anyway, what you quoted there was telling you why I needed the products by a specific date, in response to you saying, “I don’t know why mewgirl is in such a hurry.” It was not implying that you had done something wrong in my opinion.
Reading the alt text for Androstenone again, I see that, as a pheromone usually used by males, the text was written for males, so it said “If you are percieved as intimadating…,” it was talking to men who wear this rather then women.
An unreliable company is bad as I stated I don’t have any money really. You said though, “I don’t like the makeup of their products,” that’s a general statement, Just wondering if you looked at the ingredients to that products on my geocities link and also think it’s bad. Even if i don’t use their product, the makeup, if it’s accurate, could possibly help me when looking at other products.
Youa re recommedning “Instant Honesty or Nols,” but from looking at the product descriptions for Instant Honesty and Instant Openess, Nols (alt text) looks more similar to Instant Openess (product description at the forum’s store).
Looking through the pherolibrary.com site, I found the links to three products through Google. However once on the site I could not figure out how to navigate to other products. Glad I finally found one that’s actually reliable, though 
.
Instant Honesty has been recommened for me a few times here, but here’s the question: Does it (usually of course), as said in the product description, literally cause complete honesty? For example, would it make me more likely to tell him the things he does that upset me, even though I know this will make him angry for “complaining” and therefore part of what I willl do to help myself is not try to tell him these things anymore (unless he is in an appropiate mood)? Will it do things such as make the husband of the stereotypical woman say yes when she asks “Does this make me look fat?” Or will it instead make more intimate (intimate not sexual) conversation between someone you are already in a relationship with or between you and your best friend? Will it make both of you more willing to listen to the other, or will it make people more likely to literally be completely honest? There is actually a difference in some cases and the former might be somewhat bad during this meeting.
Uh, typing from a library is quite a common thing to do. Typing form an internet café where you’ve paid for the time is probably much less so, but the library still shuts down the computer whether you like it or not.
The alt text for Androstenol explains Alpha, it does not explain Beta. What is Beta for?
I didn’t say you receommened Instant Openess. I said that’s what I’m loking at after reading your post.
If Instant Honesty works as described here that would be absolutely perfect. If it works as described in the product description at this forum’s store that could have very negative effects for me right now. So I am wondering about what or how this product honestly works. I would assume it works more like I’d hope, since the product description doesn’t sound like something a pheromone would really do, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t do that, so I’m looking for more info about this if possible.
Never though they were, I only thought that the board staff would be the store’s staff as well.
Dolly, there is only ONE person’s post to whom I became negative, and that person made the absolutlely ridiculous suggestion that ALL MEN will have sex with someone they don’t love, and that this “differs from women,” therby also implying that ALL WOMEN are less likely to have sex with someone they don’t love then any individual man. That is ridiculous and demeaning to both men and women, and implies that one’s emotions and sexuality can be judged by their gender rather then their person. I have not responded in an aggressive or defensive way to anyone else.
I am glad your getting a understanding for the board, I know sometimes things can be confusing in the beginning. No I am not mad.
Yes I did look at the products ingrediants on your link. I dont like the makeup because its man heavy, meaning almost all of the pheromones in it are more geared for a man to wear. Some are not even classifed as pheromones yet.
Instant Honesty is mostly Beta nols and Instant Openness is mostly Alpha nols.
No it dosnt make you totally honest, if he wants to lie to you he will. But it does induce deep intimate conversation as opposed to the more chatty friendly conversation you get with Instant Openness. Yes sometimes he will accidently blurt out something that he had not intended or was comfortable saying before but if he is consiously keeping untruths then he will still be in control of those.
It will make him more open to listening and approuch subject that made him uncomfortable before. If you are afraid you will start telling things you had no intention of mentioning then I would use it away from your face but you will also still be consiously aware of keeping things you want unsaid quiet.
Oh and the to-go products in the womens section of the smartmones store are the small products I was referring to.
Right here>>>>> Pheromones To Go ™ (Portable / Travel Size) :: Androtics Direct/SmartMones
But as I said you can buy your Nols where ever you want.
Tisha
If you don’t think that’s true, then that simply strikes me as naivete, because testosterone and estrogen as well as other hormones exist in different levels in men and women, and they DO influence behavior and they DO influence emotions. I acknowledged that there are exceptions, but you seemed ready to pounce on whatever criticism you received.
What strikes me as even more naive is the concept that you continue to bring up wherein you insist that you can make your SO have additional, genuine feelings of love for you by getting him horny. You may disagree if you like, but I encourage you to read over dolly and Mark’s latest posts. We are only trying to help you here. You are exhibiting danger signs left and right. Men CAN have sex with you if they don’t love you, and having sex with you does not make them love you more.
Please protect yourself.
ETA: Let me also add that even though IH is your best bet in my opinion, as Gone with the Wind has been trying to explain to you for some time, you need to experiment with these things. They do not work the same way for all people. The reason that you may have read that Instant Sexiness A causes a “bitchy cat” reaction from a female (I have not heard this particular phrase used, however) is because not all women react well to TAL, the main ingredient. Some women react better to TAH. So not only is it true that you may have different reactions to pheros depending on your personal body chemistry, the same is true of your SO. Some people are much more sensitive to betanol than others (my on/off TG is incredibly sensitive to it, actually more so than he is to cops) and this could help you or hurt you when you use IH, depending on whether that reaction is positive.
Therefore, we cannot really give you pheromone advice without letting you know that while it may help, there’s a strong chance it won’t–primarily because you don’t seem to grasp this. People work on this for years, as dolly said–I’m closing in on my first year now, and I still have confusion over which molecules/mixes to use and when. Therefore, when you come in here going “I need something that will work in exactly two weeks’ time or I will kill myself,” you’re not really giving us anything to work with. So getting snippy with me over problems that are obvious, and are obviously going to obstruct any advice I give you, is not going to gain you anything.
That is why I asked if there was a women’s version.
Never said they didn’t but that point seem to help me out with my point more then it helps you out. ANY INDIVIDUAL is an INDIVIDUAL not a MAN or a WOMAN, and ANY INDIVIDUAL MAN can possibly have ot not have sex with someone he is not in love with, or have or not have sex in a sexual manner, the same as any woman can. The only difference between a man and a woman that is true of all is their genitals and the organs in their abdomen (and other likes).
Sorry, but you see, my boyfriend and I actually TRUST each other and if he didn’t feel that way I would freaking know about it by now. Just like I know my son’s father is not the same way as my current boyfriend and my last boyfriend about sex, because he has had sex with people he was not in love with. Over 60 women as a matter of fact, BUT I KNOW THIS BECAUSE IF WE DID NOT TRUST EACH OTHER EVEN THAT MUCH WE WOULD NOT BE IN A RELATIONSHIP. My boyfriend ALREADY loves me, and if he is horny, and thinks about me.. what comes next? Well, he is thinking about me in some manner that is good, therefore his feelings of love for me are increased. If he did not already love me, then he would have no feelings towards me at all, inclkuding sexual ones. Instead, I would have simply made him horny, and then he would have the urge to either go masturbate or to go have sex with another woman who he does love.
If you have never met a man that will not have sex with someone he doesn’t love, then you either do not live in a very decent area or have not met a lot of different men with different values. Or else you do not have these values abuot love yourself so you do not care what your relationship partner’s view of sex is.
I have never heard a boyfriend referred to as a “TG”, but the “bitchy cat” description is what is listed in the product description for Instant Sexiness at this forum’s store. It talks about “little black dress” and “sexy confidence.” First of all this type of confidence is not sexy in either my or his opinion, and neither is any of the media hype that goes with it. Sure there are some actual men that would get turned on by this type of behavior, but my boyfriend does not fit the profile. (As a matter of fact if he did I would be unlikely to love him since most males I’ve seen react with horniess when they see this type of character on television are not quite the loving type.)
The only thing I got “snippy” over was your NAIVE assumption that all men have the same view about any particular subject. I have already stated that I never said a pheromone would work with the clockwork precision of say a car.
I’m thinking more along the lines of something you did not say because you were not comfortable saying it, but if you feel closer to the person you won’t want to say it at all. And yes I can conciously keep something that I do not want to tell him, but what if the pheromone makes me comfortable enough to try and tell him? That has always been my problem before, I told myself I would not say something about what he is doing, then 2 months later I felt comfortable so I did it anyway. Sure this might make me feel bad when he does them but I feel a hell of a lot worse if he is mad at me because I said it. These are two different subjects by the way; the first about “feeling uncomfortable saying it” because you do not want to make the person depressed, and the second about the things I might say or not say. But if the pheromone gives just a deeper overall feeling of closeness, then the first (more important for this thing) issue will not be a problem anyway.
I have an idea about what I could do now but I am waiting for another response to what I just said before I post it.
I’m thinking more along the lines of something you did not say because you were not comfortable saying it, but if you feel closer to the person you won’t want to say it at all. And yes I can conciously keep something that I do not want to tell him, but what if the pheromone makes me comfortable enough to try and tell him? That has always been my problem before, I told myself I would not say something about what he is doing, then 2 months later I felt comfortable so I did it anyway. Sure this might make me feel bad when he does them but I feel a hell of a lot worse if he is mad at me because I said it. These are two different subjects by the way; the first about “feeling uncomfortable saying it” because you do not want to make the person depressed, and the second about the things I might say or not say. But if the pheromone gives just a deeper overall feeling of closeness, then the first (more important for this thing) issue will not be a problem anyway.
I have an idea about what I could do now but I am waiting for another response to what I just said before I post it.
What about Liquid Trust? I can’t seem to find any real info about it by Googling.
I also was wondering if there is a product that could enahnce my own natural pheromones… or maybe even some way to discover what I produce and where.
(Instant Honesty) Oh ok your talking about self effects. Yes it can make you comfortable enough to say things you had not intended to say so use it away from your face to lessen that.
Liquid Trust just gives off a feeling of comfort or so they claim. I have seen mixed reviews on it so I didnt waste my money on that one. Some people say it worked on a moderate level at first but seems later bottles didnt do much.
Tisha
The search function here on the forum may be more effective than Googling. Here’s a starting place.
That was one worry for Instant Honesty, tisha, but the more prevelant worry I had with that one is about him saying something negative he is usually uncomfortable saying when he says it. If he says it out loud, he will continue to get angry, but if he doesn’t then he is more likely to develop close feelings of love for me (no Laurie that doesn’t mean he doesn’t already have them - loving someone and feeling love for them at any particular moment are two different things). If the Instant Honesty works just like Mark said, it would be helpful for me. But when I talk abuot “something negative,” I don’t just mean telling the person tehy are fat or that you don’t like them… this is something he doesn’t usually say when he thinks it because he is worried about hurting me with it. But when he does say it out oud, it makes it harder to reconcile. However, if he does not say it out loud, then we have the oppurtunity to start feeling closer to each other (at that moment), and he does not want to say it anymore nor does he feel it again, until the next time he gets mad at me over something different, which I am going to act differently after I talk to him so that he doesn’t get mad anymore.
My ideas yesterday were to use Instant Honesty, a lot of it, in my hair, if it works as Mark described, a dab or two of the Androstenone product I keep referring to (I already know this one actually does make him a little horny, he will be somewhat horny since he won’t have had sex in a while (not true of every guy but true of my boyfriend), so the “horniness enhancement effect” will indeed come into play, and the agression towards other males thing could easily help me a bit as well, plus the great scent it has), and then like one small dab of couplins but, like I said, OVERhorniness would be bad 'cause then he’ll want to have sex with an EXTREME sexual need so it won’t help as much in making things work… but then…
I saw the post for EST, which does exactly EXACTLY everything I’m looking for (this product induces horniness as well as feelings of cuddliness, right?), so I’d spray that all over the freaking place (seems impossible to OD based on the concentrations avilable) and not need anything else.
More thoughts?
OK this is the first post you made saying what you wanted from pheromones.
You say if he is horny he is more likely to listen to you.
Use copulins.
You want him to listen to you. Fine Instant Honesty will do that but it wont make him say what you want to hear.
EST at least here is a advanced product and you are not a advanced user so you cant get it here. Plus its very expensive and dosnt come in a to-go as far as I know. Do a google on it.
I am sorry but I cant in good consious give you pheromone advice without saying a bit about some of the things you have mentioned about your relationship. So if you dont want to hear it dont read past this line.
Its obvious that you love him. I cant say if he loves you cause I dont know him but if you have to change who you are to keep that love, for him or his parants then you never had it to begin with. Please dont tell me that he would not have sex with you if he didnt love you. Its dillusional to think that. I am not saying every single man will do anyone and has no morals but if he knows you love him and he cares for you then he will do it with or without love.
I know this is the part where you get all mad and tell me I dont know what I am talking about but I assure you I do. I have seen it many times.
I have watched one of my best friends tip toe around trying to act different so she would not get her husband mad or upset with her and so everyone would like her. But no matter how you try, you cant hide who you are and be happy to. She spent alot of years misrable till she realized she could not go on this way and live. So she stopped living and it was one of the most devastating times in my life because I could not stop her no matter how hard I tried. She pretended to be something else for so long she didnt know who she really was anymore. So she selfishly decided not to exsist. See she was afraid of being alone but she failed to see she never was alone with or without him.
I wish you the best of luck and hope like hell you will earn enough to get pheromones. If I understand correctly your using a “get paid to read” program which is a scam by the way. You wont make nearly enough in time. You would need to order by the end of this week because there are two holidays with no mail service coming up. So if you havnt listened to a word I have said then listen to this.
Be open, Be honest, respect his feelings and tell him yours. Think real hard about what your gonna say before you say it because if you approuch him the way you have approuched us in the forum he may kick your ass to the curb. I am not telling you anything you havnt alluded to yourself. Just dont panic if you cant get what you need pheromone wise in time. Its not gonna change what he wants. pheromones do not eliminate free will. Your 22 years old, you will love many times in your life with him in it or without him in it.
Tisha
I think it is fairly stupid to say "You should not use an ‘advanced’ or experimetnal pheromone if you are not an ‘experinced’ pheromone user. A pheromone will work the same no matter what; you don’t have to “know” how to use it. Now if you’re talking about MIXING pheromones, you might need to experiement around some for a specific purpose. However, if I say, “I want a pheromone that does X and X and X,” and 13 out of 16 user can tell you that pheromone 45YMP2.7 did those exact things for them, there is no reason for you not to use it. If you say, “I am trying to accomplish the following purpose,” and a user can tell you, “I mixed the following three pheromones and got a result similar to what you’re looking for,” and three other users can tell you that that sounds like what the mix mentioned would probably do, then it’s probably a good idea to try out the mix mentioned unless you’ve got other ideas you’re looking at as well. A pheromone is not going to function any differently based on whether or not you “know” how to use it, especially in cases like EST here it seems impossible to OD (I say this because it is sold in quantities from 17 up to 3,000 of whatever measurement they’re using, I think it was mcg, per bottle). What will work for YOU PERSONALLY is of course an experiment, but any pheromone, whether experimental or not, has the chance to work or not work for any individual user, any individual target, or any specific purpose (with some modicfications of course - couplins are obviously unlikely to work well for a woman looking to be seen more as an equal and less like a sex toy at the office. But if couplins were classified as “experimental” but had most users saying the same thing about them, this result would still be the same).
He does love me, oir at least believes he does, I personally am not so sure with the way her treats me but he feels like he does and that is enough for me. I do not exactly have to change who I am. What I have to do is at the current time, do a few things differently. He has a few social disorders and also it is hard for him to concentrate on multiple things at once. So what I have to do is be gentle if I decide to try and tell him that I really need him, and if he says no deal with it. However as long as we are favorable towards each other (he has already told me) he will move in with me as soon as I get an apartment, and then I won’t have to worry about anything like this anymore because when we are together in person he can see how I am feeling and then he does not ignore me.
I know he would not have sex with me if he didn’t love me, because, when he knew I cared for him, and, since we were talking about his feelings, we were only considering him for that moment, he said he did not want to have sex with me because he was unsure if he loved me. If he did not love someone, he would ahve no desire to have sex with them. He would simply have a desire to have sex. In which case, not thinking of anyone in specific, and having no one with whom it was appropiate to do it, he would not have sex at all.
If you were to say something like that to the person who reacted in an extreme way to the phermone I used before, he would find out what he could about you and then make his best attempt to tear you down psychologically for saying such a thing. (Yes, he has become a bit twisted in the last few years, however, he, similar but not quite the same as my current boyfriend, would not even WANT to have sex with someone he didn’t love. In other words, if he got horny and did not love anyone, his desire would not be “simply to have sex,” as with my current boyfriend, but rather it would be to masturbate.) This is especially easy to show as untrue when you are looking at all the men (I know two, possibly three) who would not under any circumstances have sex until they are married.
It does not matter to me as I would be far more miserable alone (alone menaing without him). This has already been proven. To be honest I don’t really have to sacrifice that much. I don’t mind anything physical, such as money or food, in the least bit if it will either help him to be happier, help him physically, or help us to be together, and as far as the emotional stuff, when I cease tp tell him about the things that upset me immediately at that moment, within a little while they will go away (most of the time). And I am happier because I have not lost him or become distant from him. For more important things, yes, those might be difficult. But any time it is going to permantantly scar me not to see him for a specific reason or at a specific time, it would still scar me if he was not talking to me because he obvioulsy wouldn’t be there then, so I get the same results either way, only, if he’s with me, in a relationship with me, I’m happier overall. As long as I do this, he is happy and extremely loving with me, wanting to see me more often, so then I get the oppurtunity to tell him when I do need something in a nicer way, because when I do certain other things that are rather hard to describe here, her interprets as what they are (a rather normal attempt to alert someone that what you are trying to tell them in time-sensitive) instead of as something annoying.
I don’t know what site you have tried but they are not a scam. Most likely you signed up for one that promised 5 cents or more per e-mail, or even 50 cents or $5 per e-mail!!! The latter two are absolutely ridiculous amounts, and any site that promises them is not going to pay you. 5 cents per e-mail used to be a common high-paying (for the industry) number, but now you will not find a reputable site that pays that much. There are two types of PTR sites; company-owned and privately owned. And privately-owned site that offers you more then one cent per e-mail is indeed what is normally referred to as a “scam.” However, since the PTR industry itself is not a scam, we don’t refer to them that way, we refer to them as “Siters that don’t pay” instead. They are blacklisted as the word is spread as soon as possible. I have been paid by these sites many times, and you can indeed make up to $2 or $3 per day with a good site (I mean a REALLY good site). However my problem is that, when I used to click all emails daily a few years ago, I then lost access to the internet and built up 5,000 emails while I was gone for three months, and as I was clicking them in the order they were sent most were expired. I just recently deleted them all, and only one site I was a member of them is still around, and they are a VERY slow earning site (they weren’t a few years ago.
Then I found a page and deciede to sign up for a buch but I made the mistake of signing up for about 40 so with the exception of 2 or 3 sites which are obviously easy earners I can’t even tell which ones to delete because the sites that still have less then 10 cents could be the fault that I haven’t seen enough of their emails as Im clogged with mails from other sites. Joining sites like these is great but unless all the sites you join send 20 or less emails per day you should only join 5 or so at a time.
The company owned sites almost aways pay 2 cents per e-mail (usually with no timer) but they only send 2 - 5 emails per day.
I already know what I want to say and how I am gonna say it. The only problem is stopping him from walking away BEFORE I say it, and yes, getting him to agree to it, but what I want him to agree to is simply a way in which HE will get what he wants through being with me… which he would prefer (and knows he would prefer), but may not believe I will do it, and I will. As a matter of fact I have already started doing it. He also has a problem of arrogance (he freely admits he is arrogant, but not in the way you would think - his arrogance has nothing to do with self-admiration or anything of the like). This contributes greatly to arguments when a discussion (which may or may not be an argument) occurs as follows:
However, if the EXACT SAME QUESTION had occured in the following way…
is what would have happened. But he thinks, “I already said no, so REGARDLESS of the reason, if if my friend or girlfriend is going to lose money of lose a job if I don’t do this, I already said no so now I won’t do it no matter what, even though I didn’t know that information before I said no.”
So though this particular type of exchange is not going to happen when we meet, it is an example of the type of attitude that pheromones could help me with. I know EST is an experimental pheromone but like I said it will not work any differently based on my previous experience with pheromones (or lack thereof) if I use it. If I can get someone to comment on that and/or my propsed ideas in my last message I will likely order the pheromones right away (or go open a bank account and then do it). I was not trying to call you stupid either, yes the tone of the first part of this post is a little agitated, I took issue with this when I first saw it; no one besides the chemist has any more or less of an idea of what “MX45” actually IS then I do, until they either use it or look at what others have said about it. So it is only when analyzing, “I personally got this result wwhen doing this, so my next step should be…,” or when figuring out how to mix things (especially experimentals - this comes into play here, but not on it’s own), thats what you need experience for. But I don’t have to know how my car works in order to drive it. (I do in order to repair it.)
Been there, done that, not interested, he brings me peace. No offense.
Regardless if you think its stupid those are the rules here. You are welcome to buy EST elsewhere if you like. No one is saying you cant do that.
Tisha
Well I certainly was not aware of such a rule, but I was not asking about a custom product either. I could say I wasn’t sure, and go back to check the other thread to make sure, but the fact that you said it is available elsewhere is enough to know it is not a custom product. And I can still get advice about it if anyone was willing to provide it. I was talking about the people who have posted that throughout this or any other thread in general, when not talking about mixing pheromones (which, by the way, a custom product is most likely going to do). If this particular product is not available to first time customers at this store, I can indeed buy it elsewhere if they sell it cheaply enough, and anyone advising me on this is not actually harming the Androtics store, because they made their own decision to make this rule. In my opinion the rule about custom mixing is sort-of a good one, except for the fact that they really have no way of knowing whether someone is “experienced” or not (a first time customer to this store could have been using pheromones for years before discovering it).