For one thing, there’s a stigma attached to the use of pheromones; a lot of people who don’t understand how pheromones work (at this point I’m not just talking about pheromone products, but also pheromones and their natural biological role) think that using pheromones is akin to some sort of mind control or compelling other people to do things they otherwise would not want to do – you see shades of this notion even amongst new users here. Even if stores like 7/11 and Wal-Mart stocked pheromones, a lot of people simply would not buy the products from the store, where other people (potentially people they’d want to use the products to attract, as the case may be) can see them walking around with the stuff; I know I’d definitely have second thoughts about making pheromone purchases in person. Even if pheromones were proven to 100% work, the online market would still probably be the dominant market for the stuff until the stigma got dropped.
Yeah this stuff is only mostly only sold ONLINE…you dont see it at Walmart or 7/11. If these products worked like they claim they do…dont you think these types of stores would sell them?
I mean attracting women is the most common male fantasy there is…so if these products worked who WOULDNT get in on the action?
I don’t know where you live, but I’ve seen mone products from Dial and Erox (as well as others, Paris Hilton’s perfume) at Walmart, Ross and Perfumania Factory outlet stores. I actually bought Realm at both Ross and Perfumania years ago. Also bought a mone product at Longs Drugs. Macys sells Urban Decay lip gloss (contains mones!). Save you, nobody around here gives a damn about stigma. Most folks don’t even know what mones are…
If people thought that…that would only make them want to buy it even MORE. If I honestly thought that a product would make a girl want to sleep with me who would otherwise be completely repulsed by me…I would buy it in a heartbeat.
You had better take a study course on the working effects of pheromones and then come back and talk again in several weeks time when the information has penetrated into your knowledge banks. 
To Advance:
I agree with most of the stuff you are saying. But obviously with not everything. I for one believe that looks matter alot, but only at certain stages.
I also think that women care alot more about mens looks than what they/media claims. They say looks are fine but really its what on the inside, I say bullsh!t. I believe when you are meeting someone knew looks matter as much as 85% and the personlity 15%. During a relationship of around 2-5 years, it could be around 60-40. And when you get older it would go a little bit down, but not too much and most likely stay around 50%. But the most crucial phase of the all is the first one. Unless the girl knows about your killer personality she would never say yes to you if you were ugly. But how could she know about the personlity if she doesn’t even wana hang out with you in the first place?
And after that, I my self believe that there is a very small group of people who are outa this world gorgeous/ugly as fu*k. I think that most people are decent looking and they all got something going for them.
I am pretty sure that you agree with what I have to say, I think that thats is what you meant as well, its just that hostile answers from some people have led you to stand your ground and not be open to some of their ideas.
But this is wat it comes down to, being good looking is good. Its just good in every way, you will most likely be a little more successfull in life than the ones who are ugly. But not always.
Looks are good for meeting new people but personality is what you need to keep them in later years. And if you are ugly but you can get some one to find your killer personality you are set.
Now about the PUA vs pheros. I am not sure how successfull the pheros are, as mine are still on order and I am a skeptic when it comes to human pheros. But the PUA stuff works for alot. Do you know what PUA stuff really is. PUA has nothing to do with your personlity, it won’t change what you really are, but it will improve it for sure. It will improve the way to talk to girls, it will improve how you aproach them. Its not rocket science. Its simple it helps guys aproach and get a date, and nothing else. The rest which is proly even harder part is up to the guy and his personlity.
PUA does help, I would never pay for it tho. But its good for people who don’t know what to say and how to say it. What if you went up to the girl, and said lets go have sex right now. Regardless of what you look like she will say no (most of the time lol). But if you knew how to talk everything would be good, and might just get sex within a couple of days with most of them. Unless you got to the bar, than its a diff story. Iam talking about day time on the street or at the work kinda thingi.
PUA stuff is also somwhat on a sub consious level. Try this; next time you wana ask some girl out. Instead of asking her, “can I take you out sometime”, or something along those lines. Try saying this instead, “Lets go for coffee/whatever, which day work for you better, sat or mon?” and you will see how this makes a huge diff and that is used buy PUAs all over.
One more thing, the reason that stuff is not sold everywhere is because it fairly new along with other reasons. Just like some of the other things. What about pocket puss/dildos you don’t find that every where. What about viagra, is that sold every where we know it works. Everything is sold in its respective place. I am pretty sure the pheros are sold in many sex shops, I know the one around here which sells them. And have you heard of Dial Magnetic Body wash. That is sold everywhere, and its being marketed as a phero enhanced body wash, look it up. I personally have had a bad experience with them in the past. But I think the new technology might just be real and work.
I really hope you are not just some person from another phero company who is trying to make these guys look bad, no matter what they do, PUA or Pheros, which are compelety diff story.
Cheers mate
It seems a lot of your argument went out the window there. I am a new user here and did a little bit of Google research on “Androtics Direct Scams” but didn’t find a lot, other than a few payment problems. I read through a lot of these forum threads and have seen some “A###” didn’t work for me but a lot of satisfied entries as well. I don’t know whether it is just an employee writing each positive reply, and I’m not sure how one would tell. But the few bottles that I have purchased (without a problem) seemed to be fine for me. I’ve only used them once but had good comments thrown my way - such as complimenting me on how good I smelled. To me that is pretty good; this stuff might be snake oil but at least it smells pretty good. I can’t say that for all of these products though as I don’t own all of them.
Another scam related note: The SmartMones site does have a BBB Accredited Business logo on the homepage. Sure it could be false, but it really isn’t worth the risk to place that on something that isn’t trustworthy.
I agree with Advanced on the fact that females are attracted to good looking guys. BUT I know a lot of ugly/unattractive guys myself; I go to school for engineering - lots of ugly nerds and geeks here - But you know what, they get girls too. How? Personality. It goes a long way. Confidence is key here as in many other places. The product Instant Shine claims to give a confident boost to the user (correct me if I am wrong) and you know what? if you believe it, it will - no matter what is in it. If someone gave you a spray bottle with only water in it and claimed it will give you confidence and you believed it, then it would work. A lot of studies have shown that placebos can have the same results as the actual drug or item of study; that result comes from the mind. The power of the mind can make you sick if you think you’re sick or make you into somebody who you are not normally. If people believe in something, it can have an impact.
As far as: If these really worked you’d see them everywhere, 7/11 WalMart… Pheromones are sold in some stores (XXX stores mainly) but those don’t seem to have the right stuff in them and smell terrible (video trials on youtube). Some of these products are aimed at sex, Instant Female Magic for one. You really don’t see a lot of products like that or many sex related items at walmart or 7/11, why? because that’s not what they are looking to sell people. If there was an “Adult Target” then sure you would probably see something like this there and it would probably sell well. There are some discrete pheromone products (Dial Magnetic) that are sold in normal stores and have great claims backing them. There is a couple threads on here that back its claims. One thread was started by an employee/admin here I believe, so it isn’t like they are forcing only their products. Again, I am newish here but it seems like the people here are dedicated to the science behind pheromones. If they had other intentions then they probably wouldn’t allow threads based around products offered by other companies such as Dial. They would delete threads that say their products don’t work. (if someone who has been here awhile can back me up on this it would help my point)
Pheromones have been found and proven in the animal kingdom, and you know what? Humans are animals. If animals have pheromones, and humans are animals, then humans have pheromones.
So you say you’re ugly and when you meet a new girl you can’t get in her pants to save your life - of course you can’t with that attitude. I haven’t met a girl who would do me now if I walked up to her and straight up said I want to fck you right here right now (short of a hooker). You need to build some sort of relationship with the certain person. Sure there might be that “anomaly” which would say hell yeah, but that’s like a finding tall Yao Ming in a couple billion people.
Ugly people rule the world along with the geeks and nerds. There are a lot of women who are attracted to power. If you or you’re friend is smart or have a fantastic future ahead, looks may not be all that important. Change your attitude and you may have that fantastic future.
You know there’s always the blind.
From what I’ve read on the first page (didn’t have time to read the rest yet): Could it be that you are only this pissed off because your friend actually tries to do something about his problems with women (I’m not gonna judge if the PUA stuff is actually working or not, but at least HE TRIES)? Something you obviously don’t?
Yeah man, I thought that too.
In fact I think he’s frustraded, not very good looking and not successful with women.
I don’t understand why you are here.
Do you believe that pheromones can enhance communication and interpersonal relationships or not?
If not, are you trying to be convinced by us?
Like a lot of people say, pheromones are only 10%, so you gotta be 90%.
Hey, how many times you could have got lucky if you had a 10% advantage over the other guy?
I’m kind of confused here, if you could tell us you intentions in this forum, maybe we could help you.
Are you asking for help or just trying to annoy us?
I’m going to have to weigh in with Jayarea. This is a troll..
22, talks down about his friends in a degrading manner, seems uncontent with his life…
There is a difference of coming there trying product and saying it does not work… fine… but it is something to bash pickup as well as phero tech.
Not a thread for me.
I vote lock thread and/or ban troll.
I admit it: I had lotsa fun reading this thread! Sooo… PLEASE FEED THE TROLL!! 
Amen. I’m not Brad Pitt but because I have started taking care of myself and have gotten confidence my attractiveness to women has gone up 100x just since January. At least for me it isn’t all about getting laid. It is about being happy with who I am and using that to help make the people around me feel good as well. As much as I love sex, I also love watching a beautiful woman light up when I flirt with her. Does wonders for the self esteem of both parties.
That is HILARIOUS!
I don’t think he’s a troll, as much as someone that’s really pissed off over a lot of things. And each girl is different … some girls prefer this, while others prefer that.
No one is saying pheromones will make you a master over women. Most of the hits that are reported are extremely subtle, aka – girl turned at me and smiled. While there are a few here and there, namely Catlord’s experiences, the advanced users here realize that Pheromones give you an edge … not a mind control beam.
In regards to the PUA, I disagree with you here. Granted, there are extreme cases where someone can be ugly, yet I have seen ugly guys with beautiful girls over and over again. You are setting your friend back. Probably as much as he doesn’t want to be phased by it, you calling him ugly and ugly over and over doesn’t do well for his confidence.
I hang out in an Asian circle of friends, am considered good-looking by a lot of my female friends, but you know what bugs me? I still have approach anxiety. I can’t close deals since I’m in a mental rut. The PUA is not a godsend, but it is great for people that just can’t talk to women correctly. In an age of video games and full multimedia that has come to certain traits that certain men do not have. I’m good with women as it is, and I expect pheromones to edge me up to good to “pretty-good” … not fabulous or the best in the world. I’m realistic.
Be realistic about your friend, he’s probably not the ugliest guy in the world, and probably has a few strengths going for him. Calling him ugly over and over isn’t going to really help that.
poor advanced, doesn’t seem very advanced.
all these phero- sprays are a new technology, so you won’t see them everywhere, and alot of people don’t even know about them, because most people dont even know that pheromones are, they dont understand how we REALLY attract a mate, they are arrogent just like you.
you must also know HOW to wear them.. u cant just spray it on and away you go, you need to know what you’re doing. thats why u dont see them on every shop corner…
i know for a fact they work because i am TESTED them.. like we all have…
has a girl every dragged u into the public toilets and shagged u? i guess not… but after 3 sprays of turn up the heat.. i was dragged in.
I moved this since it has no relevance to pheromones, only someone expressing their opinion. Opinions are always welcome as long as they are not personalty insulting to other members. Please remember that if your opinion differs from advanced.
But wait… you just told us that ONLY LOOKS MATTER.
If looks were the only consideration I would expect that pheros would never have any effect whatsoever - I could put pheros on, experience an increase in confidence because I think the pheros will help me get a girl BUT STILL SEE NO ACTUAL RESULTS BECAUSE THE PHEROS HAVE NOT CHANGED MY LOOKS.
Advanced, I think you need to check your premises because it seems you have a contradiction.
Confidence/Presence is far more important than looks UNLESS YOU ARE AN OUTLIER
Yes, some guys are so fucking ugly that confidence won’t help them… just like some guys are so fucking hot that they need no game… they are the outliers.
Hell, up until I got into an LTR I was easily out-fucking my very good looking best friend (he typically gets from a 8.8 to a 9.5 on hot or not… I typically score about a 7.5)
At one point my “number” was about 8 and his was 5, despite being single for about 4 months against his 1.5 years (since highschool… during which we were both in LTR’s and only had 1 partner).
That all being said - Sure, my buddy has girls just fall into his lap more often than I do - but when it comes to actually picking a girl up I blow him out of the water because I have game and all he has are looks.
Really? So what your saying is that you haven’t yet done any research. I’m sure in your near sightedness, you missed Realm, Dial Magnetic, and the countless other products that contain pheromones sold in the store. I guess you don’t really know that much about algebra either advanced.
Just so everyone knows I am including the link back to where Advanced comes from (AKA Yao Ming)
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It’s a group of seriously disturbed young virgins who do not know how to communicate with the ladies so therefore they need to spend there time attempting to put down men and woman whose view point goes way above their intelligence level, which from their posting on that other forum is well bellow HS algebra levels.
First off like I said before this pheromone crap isnt new…I remember getting spam e-mails about this crap over 10 years ago. I also remember a friend who used this stuff in high school with no success.