Hi People
I have become very interested in Pheromones as well as “seduction manuals” in an effort to win the lady of my dreams whom I have worked with closely for 9 months and wish to make my wife someday. She is a very stubborn “hard sell” and sometimes enjoys making my life miserable by keeping me at arms length as a “friend” grrr! She has admitted to finding me “good looking” and we spend all our breaks together. But I am hitting a wall and things are moving way too slowly. I even told her (finally) that I loved her and she threatened me with a sexual harassment complaint, but after I pulled away from her and avoided her for a few days, she reeled me back in. I hope to find some help here (and the one manual I have so far, “Double your Dating”, has some good stuff too).
I am an Orthodox Christian, so I am not interested in a fling or a “shack-up” as marriage is our only option. I hope that doesn’t turn anyone off or stop anyone from talking to me here.
I will appreciate all advice from you more experienced users. Thanks!
i think borat was onto something when he attempted to kidnap pamela anderson and make her his wife.
now if we can only find a way to make playing polo with a goat carcass popular…
Not sure where the “helpful advice” is in your reply but errr thanks.
Welcome.
Tell us about your personality, and hers. Also ages, races, and cultures.
Everyone reacts to pheromones differently. We may have some suggestions of interest if we can get some more information.
Thanks for responding. I’m 54 and she’s 58, both caucasian and both work as Janitors at a local university at night.
I am both religious and romantic. Have never desired to be a player. Monogamous here. Have been told I am “very good looking” by many ladies, but because of my insecurity and neediness (I’m working on it), I’ve not really been able to exploit that.
She’s a beautiful, intelligent and charismatic woman whom everyone loves but no one seems to be able to “land”. When asked if she’s “involved” with anyone, her response is “I don’t discuss my personal life”. It’s pretty frustrating because she’s very well versed in everyone elses personal life, but hers is a sacred cow.
I feel a kind of “destiny” thing between us, but in my case that has always meant losing, and I’m really determined that it’s not going to happen this time.
Best I can do for starters…thanks again.
PS: I am also union steward at my shop…that A314 looks like something I could use.
Hi welcome to the forum buddy 
you are right, A314 will be a great choice for your age and situation, great to use in professional environments, such as work or business. another one you might wanna look into is IH, it tends to create a closer “bond” between people, establish deeper and more meaningful conversations.
that’s it for now, if you have anymore questions, feel free to ask
From your post it seems you still talk or see each other on a regular basis - but the sexual harrassment claim would make anyone nervous. I would say the socials, like Instant Honesty, Instant Openness and Instant Shine might help get her out of her shell. You have to think about what she feels. Being Orthodox Christian I would not buy a “how to” player book to win her over if she shared the same beliefs. And from what u say this is really not what you want. This is why the socials may be a good fit, especially in the beginning. Get her to open up and enjoy your company. Don’t try too hard though - this might scare her. Be Yourself. That is what everyone wants.
Thank you both Lady D and K24. How are these products working for you? Also have you tried Pherlure (a competitor)? It’s supposed to be good.
A314 is a good idea. You might try ig also. Both use rone as a major component.
She may be not available. In that case perhaps nothing will work. IH will be a good complement to either of the rone mixes for getting to know her better.
Right but she knows how I feel…if she’s not available, why not tell me and let me get on with my life?
Hello and welcome Seraphim54.
I’ve tried Pherlure before…about 2 years ago. And after reading this forum, I must say that Pherlure actually did work for me. I got hits from other females but it wasn’t working with my wife. I have now learned that I didn’t give her enough time to get used to my new ‘smell’ because when I thought it wasn’t working, I would try another pheromone with no luck, so I would try another…no luck. I’ve learned now. And as for the ‘Double your Dating’ manual…I too have that manual. And from reading your post, you’re making it extremely easy for your lady friend to reject you. You need to become a challange for her. Make her ‘earn’ your attention. Well, that’s my 2 cents. Thanks for reading.
Thanks Clem…you’re no doubt right.
Seraphim54 welcome to PheroTalk. I am glad you discovered the forum and this incredible world of pheromones. They definitely will open some doors for you and I would like to offer some advice to help begin your journey.
The very first bit of advice I have to offer is this thread, by the PheroTalk forum moderator Tisha23: What pheromones can and can't do: realistic expectations for newcomers Even though it can be found in the women’s section, it is a unisex post and is a great way to mill about in your head how the pheromones might work for you.
The good news I have today is you have qualified for the $15 Gift Certificate which will arrive in your email inbox momentarily . Unfortunately the rest of my post might not be so welcoming and I hope you take it as just advice and not personal against you.
Maybe I am reading this completely wrong and I do hope I am. Please let me be wrong, but you are saying this woman enjoys making you miserable! Let me repeat that, so that maybe your reading it from another perspective can let it sink in: This woman enjoys making you miserable!. Wow it makes me cringe when I read it back to myself, hopefully it will you as well.
If that wasn’t bad enough, you told her you loved her and she threatened to file a sexual harassment complaint 
. There is obviously much more going on here than meets the eye. I am concerned for you and feel the best advice I can give you is to run-away from this woman. Her life is off-limits and yet everyone else’s is free-game. BAD, VERY BAD.
Personally I believe you will be wasting your hard-earned money on pheromones in pursuit of this woman. If you’re really going to go against all conventional wisdom and go for this woman, as I believe you are, then IG, as Gone suggested, is my advice too.
I’m sorry Seraphim54, I’m not trying to be cruel or hurtful, but in my opinion that’s what this woman is trying to be to others. You might also try some IFM to help keep her emotions in check too. Maybe some IH, but be careful with that one, or you are liable to find out what she really thinks about you.
Now as far as the DYD eBook from David D, who happens to be a friend of mine, I know you will be able to get your neediness and confidence issues under control. I believe you have made a HUGE step, just by admitting at 54 you need help in this area of your life. My friend that in itself is a step in the right direction. Most of us guys, especially the older we get, have this false aura of Don Juanism about us. We think we are the worlds greatest ladies man and the truth be told, we couldn’t get a number out of the phone-book let alone a babe. I also believe once you start conditioning yourself to have solid boundaries and not be needy you will see the truth about this lady. Of course I could be completely wrong and she may be a wonderful person who just enjoys seeing other people suffer.
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Thanks for your honesty StevO. I needed it. Oops…guess that sounded needy lol
I find it more than a coincidence that you know David D. I don’t know what, if any, religious convictions you have, but I have felt there were bigger forces than me at work in my current situation (now 9 months old) all along. In fact I bought a bottle of pheromones (Pheromone Advantage) some months ago and then returned it un-opened because I decided it was somehow morally wrong for me to use. But as of late, I have re-considered pheromones, but I just ordered Davids advanced DVD course in the hopes that it can teach me a way to re-gain the ground I have lost. I say “lost” because she WAS interested in me once…I wasn’t imagining it.
Since you know David and are familiar with his material, whats your opinion of the advanced stuff and do you think it might help me with someone who lost interest in me, through no fault of my own?
Hello Welcome to Pherotalk
I gotta say I agree with Steve in this situation. Mones can enhance and influence but they cant change. Freewill remains. I dont want to sound harsh but this women has given you clear signals that she is not interested in you in the same way you are interested in her.
I believe she has told you in a way, She is giving all the signals. This doesn’t mean she doesn’t want to be your friend and I think you may be mistaking that for “reeling you in” . Men have trouble being friends with women without reading More into it. Women are opposite and have no trouble having male friends.
You deserve someone who feels those same feelings you do. Pushing the issue when there is no attraction there is not going to help. I know she told you your good looking, but just because a women says that doesn’t mean she is interested in a relationship.
You need to let this one go and move on with your life.
If your still interested in mones thats great. They do truly enhance your life and I think they would be helpful for finding the women who can give you the love and respect you deserve.
Steve has given you some great advice and I hope you consider it, you dont have to become a player but I do suggest you get out there and mingle and meet people. Mones can help with that.
Tisha
Thanks Tisha. And thank you all for caring.
She doesn’t share the same beliefs. If she did, not only would I not consult with a “player book”, but I wouldn’t consider using pheromones either. While we discuss my beliefs often and she says she “believes in God”, she doesn’t attend church and is not really commited to any sectarian beliefs. She quite frankly acts and reacts just like any hard sell in David Deangelos “player book” (btw, SteveO says he knows David personally and seems to think his stuff is ok), and therefore I have to play on her “turf” so to speak. My bretheran at church would say (and have) that I should just walk away from this lady, but they are not God and I have always had a “providential” feeling about this. While she’s not especially pious herself, she had a good hard upbringing on a family farm (literally living off the land…they went to town maybe 3 times a year. No TV etc), attended church with her grandmother, and “loves” bible stories.
Right now, a married man has started working at the shop and they are seriously interested in each other. I’m sure you would agree that to consumate this would be WRONG. He has 4 young kids. So I AM thinking about her…her making a very tragic mistake.
She DID have an interest in me once. You may think I was imagining it but I wasn’t.
Thanks for your honesty StevO. I needed it. Oops…guess that sounded needy lol
I find it more than a coincidence that you know David D. I don’t know what, if any, religious convictions you have, but I have felt there were bigger forces than me at work in my current situation (now 9 months old) all along. In fact I bought a bottle of pheromones (Pheromone Advantage) some months ago and then returned it un-opened because I decided it was somehow morally wrong for me to use. But as of late, this married guy has started working at the shop, and they are ga-ga over each other. I’m sure you would agree that for them to follow through with this would be WRONG…he has 4 young children. SO not only have I re-considered pheromones, but I just ordered Davids advanced DVD course in the hopes that it can teach me a way to re-gain the ground I have lost. I say “lost” because she WAS interested in me once…I wasn’t imagining it.
Since you know David and are familiar with his material, whats your opinion of the advanced stuff and do you think it might help me with someone who lost interest in me, through no fault of my own?
Thanks in advance
Seraphim
Thanks for your honesty StevO. I needed it. Oops…guess that sounded needy lol
I find it more than a coincidence that you know David D. I don’t know what, if any, religious convictions you have, but I have felt there were bigger forces than me at work in my current situation (now 9 months old) all along. In fact I bought a bottle of pheromones (Pheromone Advantage) some months ago and then returned it un-opened because I decided it was somehow morally wrong for me to use. But as of late, this married guy has started working at the shop, and they are ga-ga over each other. I’m sure you would agree that for them to follow through with this would be WRONG…he has 4 young children. SO not only have I re-considered pheromones, but I just ordered Davids advanced DVD course in the hopes that it can teach me a way to re-gain the ground I have lost. I say “lost” because she WAS interested in me once…I wasn’t imagining it.
Since you know David and are familiar with his material, whats your opinion of the advanced stuff and do you think it might help me with someone who lost interest in me, through no fault of my own?
Interesting moral dilemmas. Morality is apparently a strong consideration in your life. It might be interesting to reflect:
- To what extent should you try to block/interfere with another’s freely chosen path?
- How effective is competition in breaking up potential lovers?
- Does the presence of personal desires affect the integrity of any interference?
In Christianity the church is often called the “body of Christ.” In Buddhism one of the three treasures is the sangha, or the community of seekers on the path. My (perhaps dim) understanding of these concepts is that there is value in listening very carefully to what other people may mention to you. If a lot of them are saying something very similar it is good to consider it very carefully.