Wow 20MCG None is high and I am sure glad you tested that out. Very nice report. Did you notice any increase in energy at all? I notice with None for me at 7.5MCG it really amps me up big time. Did you get any negative effects at all from it with the other guy? If not this is surprising.
Any increase in energy other than the rough sex that wiped me out? 
Nah, didn’t experience any negative reactions from him or from myself. P96 may have tempered it nicely. I also had rapport with him, and we were both ready for sex. I guess rapport is key.
I have another report coming of using this same combo with another guy, so stay tuned!
Wow, that sounds like an amazing combo! And he sounds like the power bottom I dream of one day becoming 
I’m not advanced yet to start playing with single molecules yet, but I’ll keep this in mind when I do. I suspect I’ll have to also use pretty high dosages None as well.
Rough!
PHEROMONES:
20 mcg Androstenone
20 mcg P96
I used this combo a while back (post #240). I had an opportunity to try it again a couple more times, once with the same guy, and another time with a different guy.
I had the same effect with the first guy. Sex was just as rough and rigorous as the previous time. I actually was feeling tired prior to meeting up with him, but once we got into the bedroom, the androstenone took over. My primal instincts was in full force!
As usual, we exhausted ourselves midway, and I had to take a serious break. While we were cuddling and resting, he mentioned that he was very glad we got along so well. (Possible P96 hit.) I also felt very comfortable with him. I even fell asleep while we were cuddling. After a short nap, we both woke up and fondled each other some more. Eventually we got our second wind and went at again.
Throughout our time together, I noticed something very peculiar. As you might recall from post #240, this guy likes to be choked, dominated, and seriously manhandled. All the time I was doing it, I felt a sense of compassion for him, as if I was doing him a favor. He got pleasure out it, and I got pleasure giving him what he wanted. I recalled looking him very attentively while I had my hand gripped firmly around his throat. I kept whispering to him, “You really want this, don’t you? Yeah, you really want this.” It was a very strange sensation to be choking him while feeling a sense of tenderness towards him. A very weird effect of androstenone and P96!
The second guy I used it on was a one-time hookup. I didn’t intend it to be a one-time hookup, but sometimes the vetting process for an appropriate fuck buddy is to go on a test drive. The guy was 65. Prior to meeting in person, we chatted a bit through messages. He described himself as passionate, so I figured this combo might be appropriate. We met at a parking lot at a nearby diner. We chatted a bit, and decided we both felt comfortable with each other enough to fool around a bit.
I followed him to his home. Once inside, he asked me what we should do next. I took that as an invitation, so I placed my hand behind his neck and pulled him closer for a kiss. We kissed quite a bit while standing in his living room. He eventually led me to his bedroom where we fooled around.
While sex was very decent and physical, but we lacked chemistry. Something was missing. If I had to venture a guess, I think we had different concepts of passion. When I think of passion, I think of both emotional and physical passion. There’s a lot of lustful desire to be with that person. And that was missing for me. I didn’t have a lustful desire to be with him, though I enjoyed the physical interaction. But, it felt more like just getting my rocks off. Suffice to say, we never attempted to contact each other again.
ASSESSMENT:
When this combo works, it works incredibly well! However, you need to have significant rapport with the person. I didn’t have sufficient rapport with the second guy. P96 helped us feel comfortable with each other, but it wasn’t sufficient to take advantage of the full primal intensity of androstenone.
With the first guy, we had incredible rapport! The last two times together were some of the most intense experiences I’ve had, definitely in the top 5. So if I were to recommend this combo, I’d only recommend it when you have a lot of rapport with a person. I would even venture to recommend this combo when exploring a new kink. Of course, if you’re exploring kinks with someone, you likely have strong rapport with that person anyway. This combo will maintain a good balance of raw sexual energy and tenderness and keep the kink from getting out of control.
Unfortunately, the guy texted me because he wanted to talk to me about something. As it turned out, he met a bi guy who he’s totally smitten by. The other guy is also married (to a woman) and polyamorous. Since my friend is also married (to a woman), this was an opportunity to have a couple-couple relationship. On top of that, they want to ditch the condoms, which meant having a closed relationship and regular testing.
He said we could still continue seeing each other, but I wouldn’t be able to see other guys other than my husband. I told him I’ll need to step aside since I wasn’t willing to commit to that, especially since I’m already seeing other guys. I was a bit bummed, but grateful for the time we had and the opportunity to explore a new kink.
PHEROMONES:
2 drops A314 (Rev32)
2 sprays P96 (20 mcg/spray)
2 sprays IH (wrists)
Met a guy (38 years old) on a gay dating app. He was traveling for business and was going to be in my area for several days. Typically I don’t hook up with guys who are traveling, but he seemed very nice (at least through texting) and his photos were provocative enough. He’s also poly and in a long term relationship, so I thought I’d check him out.
I stopped wearing P96 when meeting a guy for the first time, but since we built rapport through messages I wanted to experiment to see how he’d respond.
OBSERVATIONS:
Met him at his hotel in early evening. After a brief introduction, I suggested we have dinner at a restaurant across the street. Throughout dinner, we had an easy time conversing. We talked about our primary relationships and how we ended up as poly. There was some mild flirting between us, and his eyes were very moist throughout the entire time.
After dinner, I suggested going for a walk, but he suggested we go back to his room. I jokingly said that I don’t do one-night stands anymore, so he’ll have to invite me back a few nights later. I could tell he felt uncomfortable with that request, so I quickly said we should go to his room. While walking back to the hotel, he had his arm around my shoulders.
When we got to his room, we immediately kissed, groped each other and took off our clothes. Sex was very passionate and intimate. He also said I was very gorgeous, and he must have said it about a dozen times. I thought that was so strange. No one has done that before. Also, as a guy, you just have to tell me once, and I get it. After that, it’s almost like nagging. I just thought it was weird for another guy to do that to me.
After showering, I got dressed. We kissed and I left.
The next day, we texted each other and made arrangements to hang out together a couple days later, the day before he had to leave. I decided to wear the same mones for our second date. I planned on driving him around, taking him out for lunch, and doing a bit of sight seeing.
When I picked him up, we immediately had a lively conversation. We talked a lot about movies, music, relationships, religion, God, coming out. Whenever we stopped and got out of the car to check something out, he would move in a bit closer to me, gently rub my shoulders, give me that look of attraction, and breathe a bit more deeply. He was even doing this in very public areas. Not something I was accustomed to, but I indulged in his affections. After a while, I asked him if he’s typically this intimate with guys he meets when traveling. He said no. Usually he just hooks up with a guy and nothing more comes of it. But, this time he felt that I was different, someone who is very easy to talk to.
Later we went back to his hotel room for an afternoon delight. Sex was noticeably different, maybe more intimate and nurturing. He moaned my name on a couple occasions. I was surprised he actually remembered my name while we were going at it. (I’ve learned to call guys “buddy” because I can get lost in sex and can’t always remember who I’m with.)
Afterwards, we cuddled. That’s when he said he felt safe with me.
ASSESSMENT:
This mix is very interesting. It definitely encouraged intimacy. I’m not sure if it was self-effects of the mones or him (or both), but if he lived in my area, I could easily have a romantic relationship with him. We both shared a deep level of trust, common interests, and emotional attraction.
Interestingly, after he left, we didn’t communicate any further. We became friends on Facebook, but no texts or messages. I can’t speak for him, but for me, I didn’t want to message him because I didn’t want to start something that would be difficult to execute. I also sensed he’s the kind of guy who I can easily fall in love with.
I’ve worn this same mix with two other guys. I’ll write about each one later. I’ve been incredibly busy with work lately. I’m also running out of IH. I don’t use it much since I prefer the bonding associated with P74 instead. But IH seems to have a deeper impact on guys when paired with P96.
As for A314 in this mix, not sure if it contributed to the intimacy and attraction, but it certainly didn’t distract from it.
I need some help desperatly!!!
What is the best mix combo for my situation
I’m facing a big issue with my boyfriend. I’m white gay passive 36 yo but he is Bi-sexual black dominant 35 active.
We are in a stage where he does not want to even talk to me. We got in argue where he is very disappointed and lost his trust and sexual attention in me. He just lost totally interest in me. What is the best combo mix to take all his anger and that distance away, get back his trust and strong sexual attention, make him feel good, open and comfortable with me with that warmness and love feeling with joyful and happiness. Something that will pull him like a magnet back to me. He is normally under a lot of stress on the daily basics so also something that will make him feel relief in a way.
I’m going to see him once more and this is the actually only time that I can use to make him feel.
Should I mix with Mystery boy with something or something different?
I’m so desperate because he mean a lot to me 
Please help me
I created a seperate journal for my issue
PHEROMONES:
3 drops A314 (Rev32)
2 sprays P96 (20 mcg/spray)
2 sprays IH
This is the same combo that I wore in post #246, but this time it was with a different guy. I also increased A314 by an additional drop. I reasoned that P96 would temper it.
I met this guy on a gay dating app. He’s 34, partnered and polyamorous. On the surface, he’s not my type at all, but I discovered he’s a writer, and I have a thing for intellectuals.
Like the previous guy, he and I established rapport via texts. At first we had arranged to meet at a tavern, but with some of the explicit sexting we shared, I figured I might as well meet him at his home since that is where we’ll likely end up. I’m beginning to think that my insistence on meeting at the tavern is just a formality, a way to fool myself into thinking I don’t have sex on a first date. Yeah, right.
OBSERVATIONS:
In our sexting, I asked him to wear just a bathrobe when he greets me at the door. Sure enough, when I showed up, he was there in his bathrobe. We sat on his couch for a few minutes, engaging in the usual small talk when two guys meet for the first time. Eventually I asked to kiss him since he looked so provocative in his bathrobe. One thing led to another, and I gave him a hand job, all the while I kept my clothes on. (This was my strategy to maintain dominance.)
Afterwards, we moved to his bedroom where I continued my dominance over him. 
Sex was very intense with a dash of tenderness here and there. Overall, we spent 5 hours in bed. He came three times. I came twice.
After we showered, I noticed something very strange. I didn’t feel as confident as before. I felt awkward, if anything. And then I realized that I washed off my mones! It’s a strange feeling from feeling very confident to feeling socially awkward, like some geeky teenager. The feeing persisted even when we went to grab a bite to eat. I had trouble looking him in the eye, and I wasn’t as talkative as before. Our time together still ended on a very good note, and we agreed to meet up again.
So, on our second date, I wore the exact same combo as an experiment. I also brought A314 with me to reapply after showering. When I got to his home, sex seemed to be on both of our minds. As usual, it was very intense and physical. At one point, we napped for about 20 minutes. I guess we exhausted ourselves! During our cuddling, he mentioned that he felt very comfortable with me.
After we showered, I reapplied A314. That did the trick. I maintained my self-confidence and was able to engage with him more in conversation. I even hung around until his partner got home from work. That went totally fine.
The week or two after that second date, he definitely showed a lot more interest in me. He mentioned that we would like to date me, and that he’s not interested in seeing other guys. I wasn’t sure how to respond to this. I’m not all prepared to have a romantic relationship with him since he’s not exactly my type, despite him being a writer. There are some attributes about him that doesn’t work for me.
ASSESSMENT:
This combo definitely has fallout qualities. I like the intensity of sex that we shared, but I’m not prepared for the emotions, at least not from him. The manner in which he reached out to me felt emotionally needy. I know he’s partnered, and I met his partner, but this got me questioning if his relationship is solid or not. Regardless, I know I’ll have to be very careful about the mones I wear when I’m around him.
Fortunately, after our second date, I got incredibly busy with work and couldn’t see him for at least a month. On our third date, I suggested we meet for dinner at a restaurant closer to my home. This time I wore two sprays of IG. I thought this might make him think I’m out of his league. It didn’t. He really wants to date me, but I told him I’m not interested in a romantic relationship. He asked, “Ever?” I told him that I don’t see it happening in the near future and I’m still intent on seeing other guys. Truthfully, I just didn’t have the heart to tell him that I didn’t want a romantic relationship with him specifically.
We did set up another date, this time at my home. We plan to just watch a couple movies and eat lunch. I also planned it so that The Man will be here too. Yeah, this should be interesting.
As for 3 drops of A314, that seemed totally fine. P96 and/or IH seemed to prevent any adverse effects, though I’m wondering if the extra A314 contributed to his attachment to me. I might need to avoid wearing all three of these mones when I’m around him.
Did you wear the P96 and IH after you showered or did you just reapply the A314? Going through your journal I am noticing you are having a lot of fallout which could be a good or bad thing depending on what you like. You sure know how to work the mones with guys.
Great report and it is always great to see you around Hank.
Thanks Justin!
I reapplied only A314. I left the others at home. Yeah, I’m not sure about this fallout thing. It helps with sex, but I have to be careful how I use it. I’ve used this same mix with one other guy. I’ll write about it later.
By the way, I also tried P77. Didn’t get the effects you did, not by a long shot. I’ll also have to write about that later. But, it’s been so long since I tested it (June), so I may need to try another round of testing, starting from the beginning. The gist, though, is that my sweet spot is 30 mcg. Even then, I still didn’t get the reactions you got. Might be that it affects men differently.
Hm yeah it just might be and also I have found that for me Ammo/P77 is where it is at and the biggest hits why I don’t know. I seem to have better luck with Ammo as my base for some reason
PHEROMONES:
4 sprays IG (1x)
I met the guy from post #247 for a beer. I wanted to tell him that I don’t want to be sexual or romantic with him, though we could still be friends. But, I also didn’t want to be unnecessarily cruel or blunt. I’ve been known to be terribly blunt, and that has gotten me into trouble in the past, so I decided to tell him a white lie - I’m choosing to take myself off the market and be non-sexual with guys (other than my husband).
It’s somewhat true. I’ve been very busy lately, and I’m finding that I really crave hanging out with guys and BS-ing rather than having sex. Sex is enjoyable and a great distraction from work, but not what I fundamentally want. Besides, sex with The Man satisfies me.
There are reasons why I’m no longer attracted to this particular guy, but those are things that he can’t really change or isn’t necessary to change, such as natural pheromone scent and mannerisms. Overall, he’s’ a decent and good guy, and I want to preserve his dignity and esteem. Sex aside, he’s not my cup of tea.
Earlier in the day, he texted me that he was excited to see me again. I knew that this wasn’t going to be easy, so I decided to use IG. I’ve never used four sprays before, but I needed all the help I could get.
During my drive there, I wasn’t nervous or concerned at all. It felt like I was going to a business meeting to tell a client that I can’t continue their project. I felt very calm.
When we met at the tavern, we greeted each other very warmly. We did a bit of small chat, and then I shared with him my choosing to be non-sexual with guys outside of my primary relationship and how I came to that conclusion. He listened and agreed with what I said. He also said that he wasn’t surprised about my decision since he noticed a change in style with my texts over the past couple months.
I let him know that I’m still interested in being friends because we share similar interests. He was happy to hear that, but also knew that I was resolute on my decision, which he will respect. We chatted a bit more, having a lively conversations mostly about movies. In the end, I felt relieved that I was able to keep his confidence intact.
ASSESSMENT:
IG definitely helped me in this situation, projecting an image of calm confidence. I was also able to look him in the eye when I spoke with him. I still had genuine interest in him and his well-being, so that also helped with the situation.
I didn’t sense at all that four sprays of IG was too much. In general, I like using IG when I want to project strong non-sexual confidence. Times when I’ve used IG, I never at all felt sexual.
As for my white lie, it’s partially true. My husband practices polyamory. He has a boyfriend whom he cares for deeply. As for me, I practiced polyfuckery. It’s exciting having intense sex with different guys, but it has gotten terribly time-consuming and mentally draining, which makes it less enticing. So this part is true.
The thing I didn’t tell my friend was that I am seeing another guy, and I intend to continue seeing him until that interaction ends, however and whenever that might be. Other than that, I’m perfectly content meeting other guys for friendship only. (I’ll write about this other guy later.)
4 X IG, I think I never used that much (except when a bottle emptied in my pocket, lol). IG is a product that makes so solid and stable. I can’t imagine OD’ing anywhere with that one. I’ll definitely experiment with an upped dose soon.
I got this question from a new member. I thought I’d post my response here since it’s relevant to the theme of my journal.
I’m sorry I haven’t posted anything new for a while. I’ve been too darn busy and have had no time for any social events to experiment. I’ve been somewhat dating a guy for the past few months, so I haven’t experimented much with pheromones. Mostly I use A314 and P96 (40 mcg). I like this combo. It’s very mellow and matches my vibe - confident yet personable. I’ve noticed that sex with this new guy is much more passionate and intense when I wear it than when I don’t. So there’s that.
Thanks for reading my journal. It’s been a while since I’ve posted anything. Been too busy lately. But, it’s great to see more gay men on the forum.
TUTH is good, but not the first product I’d use, unless you’re visiting a bathhouse and just looking for sex. I tend to use TUTH only when I’ve established rapport with a guy. It’s extremely sexual, so if a guy isn’t ready for sex, you might turn him away, no matter how masculine he is. You’ll just come across as a horn dog looking for only sex. (Some masculine guys are big teddy bears in bed and want more of a connection other than sex.)
My go-to pheromone is A314. I love that stuff. I get lots of respect from guys, and I also get to pick and choose who I talk with. Once I hone in on a guy, he is usually willing to talk with me, which means I’ve overcome a huge hurdle.
I also recommend IH. It’s a good product to let guys know you’re friendly and trustworthy. You’ll come across as a guy who is easy to talk to.
So those two are my favorites, though I’ve run out of IH for a while. I’ve been mostly relying on A314 and P96. I wouldn’t recommend P96 right off the bat, though. You might get better results with IH since P96 tends to encourage emotional bonding. It also smooths out A314 since A314 can be somewhat intimidating for some people. IH will encourage emotional bonding over time, but not in the short-term. Use IH to help you weed out the freaks and fakes.
As for attracting specifically fit, masculine men and only fit, masculine men, that’s almost impossible with pheromones alone. It’s a personality vibe that you send out that will attract the guys you want. What you need to do is make it clear to these guys that you’re interested in talking with them. Not all masculine guys are confident in meeting new people, so sometimes you have to take the first step. This is why I enjoy wearing A314 and IH (or P96). It gives me confidence to approach people, while still having the vibe of friendliness. It’s also versatile (no pun intended!), so you can wear them at work or among friends.
Use these two products for a while and figure out their nuances. Use TUTH when you’ve met someone and want to move towards the bedroom. You could potentially use TUTH along with A314 and IH. I’ve never done it, but this would work in a bar or club setting. I wouldn’t use this combo in more family-oriented atmosphere or just bummig around with friends. This is definitely a sexual combo.
Great to see you drop by Hank! Great summary and it will be very much useful for gay newbies.
I have tried to get it, but I don’t find the pun opportunity with versatile. I guess it will jump me in the face eventually, haha.
PHEROMONES:
3 drops A314 (Rev. 32)
2 sprays TUTH (1x)
Had a rare moment to play pool last night with my school teacher friend. Earlier this year we decided to take sex out of the equation, so we’ve just been friends. A couple weeks ago, I asked him if he wanted to explore having sex again. He gave me an emphatic yes! I was taken aback by his enthusiastic response, but at least I knew what’s been going through his mind lately. Basically, we settled into “friends with occasional benefits.” He’s still in a long distance relationship, so being FWB fulfills some of his physical needs, and I get to enjoy his company.
Anyway, I decided to give A314 and TUTH a try. I’ve been scared to try this combo, thinking that it might be too over the top for me, but I figured my school teacher friend would be a safe subject to test this on. We have enough rapport that he can give me an idea of how this combo might work around gay men.
OBSERVATIONS:
I didn’t notice any overt self-effects, such as extra confidence. I use A314 about once a week, so I’ve gotten used to its effects. The extra androstenone from TUTH didn’t seem to bother me or excite me. I seemed pretty neutral to it, though the Neroli scent was rather charming. (I typically get my pheromones in World scent. I got TUTH a year ago when I discovered that The Man doesn’t like Neroli scent at all.)
Met my friend at his home. Didn’t notice anything out of the ordinary with his behavior. He showed the usual pleasantries and such. His cat, though, stayed clear of me. She’s usually affectionate, but was a bit skiddish this time.
We like to try new places to play pool, and he found a new place that has lots of pool tables, so he decided that we should go in his car. We had a good conversation about our daily lives. The drive in the car gave him enough time to get a good whiff of the pheromones. I didn’t notice any agitation or irritation from him, so at least there were no adverse effects. So far, so good!
When we got to the bar, we got a pool table. Two women (50s and 40s) were playing pool next to us. From the sound of it, they had a bit to drink already. The older woman suggested that we play couples together. My friend immediately declined.
In the past, when I played pool, I used A314 and IG with really good results - lots of focus and concentration. I had a similar experience, but the difference was that I felt more grounded. My thinking was clearer and I could see the ball patterns more readily. I also took my time when aiming the cue ball.
I played exceptionally well during the first game. My friend totally sucked. I don’t know if he felt intimidated by the pheromones, but he kept missing shots. During the second game, the Jack Daniels kicked in, so I started missing shots, but I still felt grounded. I just didn’t have sufficient eye-hand coordination to be consistent. Regardless, I still won. By the third game, alcohol was in full force and my friend finally won.
Throughout our games, one of the women next to us kept making comments how much she enjoyed watching men bend over when they play pool. My friend and I just rolled our eyes. I’m not sure if my pheromones were affecting them, but I rarely experience women flirt with me. Either that, or I’m just oblivious to their gestures.
Fortunately, they left before we did. On our drive back to his house, we were both in a good mood, joking about our experience at the bar. At his house, we decided to watch the last few innings of game 4 of the World Series. We both were rooting for the Cubs, so at least we were on the same page.
We sat next to each other on his couch. I had my arm behind his neck, but not touching him. I just like to spread out. He had his arms crossed, but he was leaning towards me to the point that his elbow sometimes touched my thigh. I knew if I asked, he would say yes, but I decided to be coy and let him ask me if I want to do anything more that night. Besides, I could have gone either way. I would enjoy having sex with him, but I already felt extremely satisfied with the bonding we shared that evening. We were like two buddies having a fun evening at a bar and watching baseball. I felt that sex would have been welcomed, but not at all necessary. (Or am I just getting old?)
After the game, I grabbed my coat and prepared to leave. I was very tempered to ask him if he wanted me to spend more time with him, but I was getting tired and needed to get up early in the morning. Besides, I didn’t want to appear too eager or have him think that I’m friends with him only for the sex. I really do enjoy his company and friendship. But, I didn’t ask, and neither did he. We gave each other a hug and said goodbye. Still, as I got in my car, he stood in the doorway to watch me drive off. He’s been doing that for the past several months after hanging out together, something he used to do when we were actively dating a year ago.
ASSESSMENT:
I’m glad I tried this combo. It dispelled some of the misconceptions I’ve had about TUTH. I thought I’d come across as some creep who just wanted to get into a guy’s pants. Not the case. I felt very much in control and very grounded. No excessive confidence or bravado. I felt genuine and authentic in my thoughts and actions.
When comparing this combo to A314 and IG, this has similar effects of confidence and feeling very grounded, but it felt much more social. The one thing I don’t like about IG is that I don’t always feel social. I prefer to be left alone and do my own thing. Not the case with A314 and TUTH.
I was also worried that my friend might experience some irritation from TUTH. I didn’t see any signs of that. The pheromones might have caused him to be off balance when playing pool, but socially he seemed like he has always been around me. We even flirted with each other. He’s also gotten used to returning back some of my sexual innuendos. (He’s a school teacher, so he’s mindful of his language.)
I’ll definitely use this combo again when I see him next. I’m also curious if he’s wanting me to take the lead with sex because of me wearing this combo or that’s just part of his personality. Maybe I should leave out A314 and see if TUTH is enough to entice him to take the lead.
My schedule is easing up significantly, so hopefully I’ll get to attend more social functions. I’ll try this combo at the next LGBT event later in November. I haven’t seen many of those guys in about 6 months, so it’ll be interesting to see how they react to it. I already have the reputation of being a big flirt, so this might be even more fun.
PHEROMONES:
2 sprays TUTH (1x)
2 sprays IO (1x)
The other night I asked my school teacher friend if he wanted to watch game 7 of the World Series together. He was happy to have me over, otherwise he was going to be watching it alone. I figured this would be a good time to give TUTH another test run, but this time using IO instead of A314. (I discovered I have 1/4 bottle left of IO that I bought a year ago! I probably stopped using it because it’s in Neroli scent, like TUTH. I prefer World scent for my mones.)
OBSERVATIONS:
When I got to his house, he was happy to see me. I brought beer, and he had pizza ready. Like the last time I was there, we sat on the couch together. I had my arm behind his neck, but not touching him. I simply like to stretch out. He had his arms crossed, but leaned towards me. We talked about politics and sports, nothing out of the ordinary. We really seemed like two buddies hanging out and watching a ball game. (Yes, there are gay men who actually enjoy watching sports!)
At some point, I thought about asking him if he wanted to do anything after the game, like spend some time in bed. But, I didn’t feel sexual. I felt grounded and confident, but not sexual. I also didn’t sense any sexual advances or gestures on his part.
After the game, I decided to go home. It was late, and he also had to get up early for school. We hugged and I left. This time, though, I noticed that he didn’t stand in the doorway to watch me drive off. He simply went back in and closed the door.
ASSESSMENT:
This was an interesting experience. While I didn’t sense that he was irritated with me or I towards him, neither of us seemed sexually interested in each other. I felt like we were two very good buddies hanging out together and watching a ball game. It could be that we were watching sports, something I don’t find particularly sexual. It’s a completely different vibe than drinking beer and playing pool where we’re interacting and flirting with each other a bit more. This time, I felt like I was watching a ball game with a straight friend.
Two things might be going on. The first is the setting. TUTH might be sexual only if the environment is suggestive of sex. Watching sports isn’t sexual for me, neither for my friend. TUTH might simply encourage more male bonding or playful competitiveness in this instance.
The second issue might be the absence of P96 and A314. I feel more sexual using that combo than TUTH and A314 (such as in my last post). There’s a sensual element about A314 and P96 that I didn’t experience with TUTH and IO. It could be that I’m older, and sex as sport isn’t as enticing to me anymore. Sensuality (both physical and emotional) is what turns me on, and P96/A314 provides it. I also noticed that my friend tends to be more attentive towards me when I wear P96 or A314, so it could be that he prefers more of a connection with a person to feel sexual. I also recall when I used 20 mcg androstenone with P96, I had some incredible sex with that mix!
TUTH and IO might be appropriate if I were going to the bar, or if I were single and in my late 20s. But for my age and the type of guys I’m attracted to, I think I need to incorporate P96 and/or A314.
Good work Hank! There is something with the P96 turning the A314 into a fallout mix and having imprinting on his mind of you(I think).
What I think is happening here is the P79 in the TUTH also intensified everything that is in the A314 including the value in you. I have found whatever steering molecules that are in say Ammo, IShine, TUTH, or anything from the instant line when used with other things also steer that to.
For example is I use A314 with IShine I get a very happy mix and sometimes a little to happy and it steers the A314 to a more lighter mix, instead of it being serious and so commanding solo (I am referring to REV32 oil).
I have P79 and it can be funny when used in a mix. I have actually tried P79 in low doses under 5MCG with my signature mix of A314/P96/IShine/B-Nol and it was way to intense emotionally even for me with self effects. I mean total strangers have cried on my shoulder before and it kind of freaked me out. But without the P79 I got the same effects and they were quite nice, but no so intense and out of hand.
This is just my theory on this with the P79 in the TUTH and I believe it may have came in and not just turned up the sexual part, but also the value in you that the A314 provides even by itself. I think he stood there the last time really thinking to himself what he just let slip through his hands with the A314/TUTH.
If you get a chance ever maybe try P79 and you will see what I am talking about. It can intensify everything, but it does so good and bad. P79 with anything social heavy can be a little to much for me sometimes.
Good to see you around Hank!!!
Thanks for your insight, Justin! Yeah, those are important points to keep in mind. I’m still interested in experimenting more with TUTH. The only problem is that it’s in Neroli scent, and my other mones are in World scent. Those two scents don’t play well together, at least on me.
I recently ordered the following:
• P75 (30 mL: 1 mcg)
• P79 (30 mL: 5 mcg)
• P125 (5 mL: 12.5 mcg)
• alpha-nol (30 mL: 5 mcg)
• beta-nol (30 mL: 15 mcg)
I plan to use P79 with my current bottle of androstenone (5 mcg), so hopefully I can replicate a similar effect as TUTH. I also plan on pairing P79 with other mones. Should be interesting. (I’ll definitely try it with A314/P96!)
I also have some theories about P75. I played with it in the past (with Neroli scent, 3.5 mcg), but I pretty much got ghosted by gay men. (Gay women were much more willing to hang out with me.) I’ll try a lower dose. I’m also wondering how P75 affects guys with whom I share mutual attraction. I’ll see if my theory pans out.
I also got most of these mones in 30 mL bottles, which allows for more effective half sprays. I got P125 to experiment with. I have a freebie bottle that I got a while back, but again it’s in Neroli scent. Yeah, now that my schedule has eased up, I’m looking forward to doing more testing and reports.
PHEROMONES:
1.5 sprays Androstenone (5 mcg/spray, 7.5 mcg total)
1 spray P79 (5 mcg/spray)
2 sprays P74 (10 mcg/spray, 20 mcg total)
Finally got the time to go an LGBT event, first one in 6 months. It’s a group of men and women who get together once or twice monthly, drink craft beer and socialize. This event was at a tavern with really good mircrobrews and burgers. I decided to try out this combo since Androstenone and P96 is what makes up TUTH, although I probably don’t have the correct ratio. I also chose P74 as a buffer so that I come across as a sexy older guy rather than a creepy older guy.
OBSERVATIONS:
The Man doesn’t like colognes, so I usually warn him when I’m going to wear pheromones. He understands that I like to test them out at social functions. If it makes me happy and keeps me out of trouble, he’s all for it. During the drive to the tavern, I didn’t notice anything out of the ordinary with him, though he was quieter than usual. Sometimes he goes off on a tangent about work or something he read on the internet. Not this time. But, at one point he opened the car window, which I thought was a passive-aggressive way to let me know that the cologne scent was getting to him. I didn’t take offense to it at all. I even cracked my window open a bit to let him know I understood what was going on.
At the tavern, the group had reserved a room in the back. The Man and I decided to grab a bit to eat in the main area before joining the group. Sometimes it’s easier to eat alone than in a large group. One guy from the group came out and saw us eating. He joined us and started a conversation. But, after a minute, I said to him, “We’re going to finish up eating, and we’ll join you inside.” He said OK, and left.
When we were done eating, we joined the group in the back room. It was mostly the usual crowd with a small handful of newcomers. One guy in the group honed in on me and said that we had met once before. I did remember him. It was during an event about a year ago when I was testing Ammo. He was one of the guys that flirted with me and gave me his number. I didn’t follow up with him mainly because he’s in his 20s, too young for my taste, at least for anything outside of the bedroom. We talked for a bit about what we’ve been up to, but that was the extent of our conversation. He was very cute and had a nice tight body. Heck, age aside, I’d be OK hooking up with him. But, neither of us made the effort to reconnect during the rest of the time at the tavern.
The rest of the time was similar to that. I had lots of small talk with guys, but not much traction or in-depth conversation. Much of the conversation was really small talk, which actually made me uncomfortable. I hate small talk. Even with some of the new guys I met, it was mostly small talk.
There was a new guy who seemed to be off by himself. I introduced myself to him, and we struck up a nice conversation. I could tell he was rather shy and not comfortable with small talk either. I tried to steer the conversation into more substantial topics, particularly about himself. He seemed like the kind of guy who I’d enjoy hanging out with, or even date since we had many things in common, including temperament. He also didn’t seem put off when I mentioned my partner. He seemed rather neutral about it.
After about 15 minutes chatting with this guy, my partner came over, and I introduced the both of them to each other. They both started chatting, so I excused myself because I wanted to touch base with another friend.
There was a guy that I dated earlier this year. We’re still very good friends. He was really happy to see me again. The last time we saw each other was about 6 months ago. We tried getting together before, but our schedules never coincided.
He was sitting at a table with other guys, but since there wasn’t an empty chair, he scooted over so that he could share his chair with me. He put his arms around me and we had a nice conversation talking about our recent exploits and such. At one point, he asked if he could rub my belly. (I got the stocky-muscular thing going.) I indulged him. At first he was rubbing my belly over my shirt. I then pulled my shirt up so that he could rub it directly. Not sure why I did that, but it seemed appropriate at the time, especially after three beers.
He also seemed to make a lot of eye contact with me, something that made me uncomfortable for some reason. In fact, throughout the event, I found myself not making much eye contact with guys as if I didn’t want to really connect with them.
After about 15 minutes chatting, my friend said he had to go. He had party to attend, so we gave each other a very long hug with the intent of touching base again soon. By that time, my partner had finished his conversation with the new guy I was talking to earlier. He was also ready to go home, so I went up to the new guy and said to call me if he ever wanted to hang out. I then asked for his number, which he promptly gave me. I entered it into my phone and called his phone. Now we had each other’s number.
After that, The Man and I left the event and drove home. I asked him what he thought of the new guy. He had a nondescript reaction, which let me know that the guy wasn’t his type. I told him that I got his phone number. He was quite impressed with that, especially since the guy knew that The Man and I were a couple.
ASSESSMENT:
I don’t think this combo was right for this group. The group is very social without the cruising vibe of a nightclub, which is why I like hanging out with these guys. I’ve been with the group for two years, so if I were to hook up with any of them, it would have happened by now. Of course, new guys are fair game!
Using this combo almost felt like I wasn’t wearing any mones at all. Yeah, without mones, I’m very uncomfortable with small talk, and I tend to talk without making much eye contact. With the right mones, I engage more readily and express sincere interest in other people. Not this time.
Frankly, I didn’t feel sexy with this combo. Overall it felt neutral to me. I feel sexy when I’m able to engage with guys, talk directly to them, look them in the eye, and flirt. Didn’t at all feel flirtatious. (For the record, The Man has seen me flirt with other guys, so his presence was not at all in issue for me. We have a very solid, yet open, relationship.)
At the very least, I didn’t see any negative reactions. No one was irritated with me and I didn’t start any bar fights. Guys were very respectful and friendly. I just wasn’t in my groove with this combo. Androstenone seems to work best when I’m heading to a guy’s home specifically for sex. I’ll continue experimenting with it to see how I can incorporate it into a social mix that will put me in my groove.