An Older Gay Male Perspective

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Journals
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Thanks for reading my journal, Antwan! Yeah, figuring out if another guy is into you or just super friendly is a challenge for gay men. You have to follow-up with the guy to get a proper read on him. Not many guys are out in the work place or are too shy to flirt with other guys publicly.

I recommend starting with a single spray each of P74 and IShine. Use this combo until you get a good read on him. You can increase IShine to two or three sprays, but keep P74 at one spray. (I say this because I don’t know what dosage you’re at per spray with P74. You can increase the sprays, but keep the total dosage around 25 mcg for best effects. If you go too high, you’ll have a best friend without benefits.)

If you know he’s gay and he’s into you, ask him out for a beer. At that time, you can include a spray of TUTH and see where things go. If he’s not into you, well… at least you got a new friend! And ask if he has a brother.

Make sure to start a journal of your experience! I’d love to see how this works out for you. :slight_smile:

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Thanks Hank! I’m waiting for the orders now so haven’t tried them yet! i will be sure to try out those dosages. I ordered the 5 mL To Go! 7.5 micrograms/spray P74 I will be sure to make a journal as soon as i try out these.

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Cool! Start with one spray and work up to three.

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SITUATION: Buying a car.

PHEROMONE:
2 drops of A314 (Royale, Batch 3B12721K, Lot 1A70006N, 10/01/15)

OBSERVATIONS:
I found a used car that met nearly all of my criteria - the appropriate maker, the appropriate model, well-maintained, low mileage, and a great price. I also researched that car on CarFax, Kelly’s Blue Book, and Consumers Report. My bank also told me it was fairly priced when they pre-approved me for a loan.

Prior to going to the dealership, I made an appointment with a salesperson from the internet department. Typically, internet salespeople are much more experienced and well seasoned compared to the salespeople on the showroom floor. I wanted a very smooth transaction with no BS. (I used to work for this dealership more than a decade ago, so I trusted how these guys do business.)

When I arrived at the dealership, the salesperson was very cordial. No noticeable hits. He had the car ready for my inspection, so he immediately took me to the car. While I inspected the car, he was very quiet and behaved rather beta-like. He answered my questions, but he really stayed out of my way. His body language also reminded me of a beta dog around an alpha dog. I’m not sure if he was truly intimidated or if he was doing what an experienced salesperson would do when dealing with an alpha customer.

When it came time to finalize the deal, I felt the price was very fair for how well maintained the car was. I didn’t see anything wrong with the car that would justify negotiating a lower price. Besides, if there were anything seriously wrong with the car, I wouldn’t have purchased it. The salesperson also offered me an extended warranty, which I immediately declined. (I thought his presentation of the extended warranty was rather anemic for an experienced salesperson. He wasn’t at all smooth. I almost felt embarrassed for him.)

When it came time to meet with the finance officer, I also didn’t notice any overt hits. However, I did notice his body language when he offered me the extended warranty at a lower price. He leaned forward, rested his elbows on the desk, and covered his mouth with his fingers while talking about the warranty. Based on his body language, I again declined the warranty.

ASSESSMENT:
I don’t know if these are hits or not, but I can at least say that I felt in control, grounded, centered, and very self-confident. I didn’t feel cocky or arrogant, but very self-assured, a similar feeling when I wear Instant Gentleman. While my research on that particular car made me confident that I was getting a great deal, I was also willing to walk away from it if I encountered anything that would be to my disadvantage in the long run. So I felt like I was very aware and attentive of all aspects of the transaction.

While I didn’t experience any special treatment from the salesperson or the finance officer, I wonder if A314 provided a bit of intimidation when they tried to sell me the extended warranty. I’m always willing to listen to a sales pitch. At times, I had made purchases because the sales pitch was very logical and appropriate, even when I wasn’t in the market for the item. In this case, both guys really fumbled in their presentation of the extended warranty.

I think 2 drops was appropriate, too. I have to go back to the dealership in a couple days to drop off paperwork for a new license plate, so I’ll consider adding one or two additional mones to A314.

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I am really impressed with your knowledge and how short of a time to. I am learning a lot from your experience.

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Thanks for the feedback, Justintime! Suffice to say, I have experience in healthcare and psychology. These mones are right up my alley. It’s a great hobby!

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SITUATION: LGBT social event.
Since I work alone at home, I look forward to these social events. They give me a chance to talk to people other than The Man and my cat.

PHEROMONES:
2 sprays of Ammo (2x)
2 sprays of IH (1x)

I was going to use IShine, but at the last second I decided to switch it with IH. I wanted something that was more grounded and down-to-earth to match my mood at the time. The two sprays of Ammo were also by mistake. I forgot that I had the concentrated version. I meant to do one spray.

OBSERVATIONS:
The group was well underway when I got there. Saw a few folks I met at the most recent social. (I was wearing P75 and P96 at the time.) They greeted me very warmly, and we chatted right away.

Most of the men at the social were younger, 20s and 30s. I had conversations with a couple older guys (40s and 60s). Conversation with them was very easy, pleasant, and friendly.

Most of my conversations during the evening were with three women, though. They were all in their 40s and had kids from former straight marriages. I don’t know if they were bi or gay, but we formed a small group and talked quite a bit.

Later in the evening, I got up to use the restroom. When I returned I tried striking up conversations with some of the younger guys. I chatted briefly with one guy, but he ended the conversation abruptly and walked away.

I joined another group of guys, but one guy was dominating the conversation and talking about a topic that didn’t interest me. Didn’t get a chance to introduce myself to the other guys.

ASSESSMENT:
Overall, I felt very confident and self-assured while wearing Ammo and IH. But I think I may have OD on Ammo. People in their 40s and older, both men and women, responded to me just fine. I had an easy time conversing with them and being playful. With younger guys in their 20s and 30s, I had no traction with them whatsoever.

I also have to remember that my appearance could be intimidating to some. I’m dark skinned (SE Asian), have a muscular build, sport a Mohawk and goatee. So I may need to soften my badass aura a bit. Being in my late 40s, I also have to find a way to approach younger guys so I don’t come across as a creepy older man wanting to get into their pants. Two sprays of concentrated Ammo probably didn’t help! Women and the older gents might have found the extra Ammo refreshing, though. IH may have also helped them warm up to me.

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SITUATION: LGBT social, game night.

I didn’t plan to go, but the Stud Muffin texted me and asked if I was going. Since he was going, I decided to go. Besides, I hadn’t seen him for a couple weeks. We had a lunch date earlier this month. But during the date, I decided I wouldn’t pursue anything other than a platonic friendship with him. Suffice to say I was wearing IG, P96, and IH. People really do reveal deep information when exposed to IH for a couple hours.

PHEROMONES:
1 spray of Ammo (2x)
2 sprays of IO (1x)
3 spays of IShine (1x)

I chose this mix because I really want to be more social and soften any vibe of intimidation from my physical features. I also go to these social events with the intent to chat and make new friends. So I’m experimenting with mixes that will do that, but still retain an alpha vibe.

OBSERVATIONS:
After spraying the mones, I felt uplifted and in a good mood. The full self-effects took about 20 minutes to kick in. By then I was ready to meet new people.

The event was at a large gaming store with lots of tables. Other groups were there, and we had a couple large tables reserved for us. I was one of the first guys there. As it turned out, our group ended up being all men, 20 total. As guys arrived, they formed their own gaming groups. I ended up in a group of 7 guys playing a super complicated game. The Stud Muffin showed up about 30 minutes after me. He seemed really pleased to see me again and sat next to me chatting while I was playing. After 15 minutes he joined a group of guys for a game. Throughout the evening, he called out to me to get my attention. All he wanted to do was smile and wave hello to me.

I won’t go into detail about the evening, but there was one guy in my group who captured my attention, blond and late 20s. There was another guy sitting between us, but I could tell he was looking in my direction every so often. Heck, I was looking in his direction, too.

Our game took us to closing of the place. No one won since we didn’t complete the game. That’s how complicated it was, but everyone seemed intent in learning it. Prior to closing, the Stud Muffin and another guy (20s) from the group were going to hang at a bar near by. I told them I would meet them there.

As the store was closing, I milled around, hoping to catch the blond guy alone to chat. But there seemed to be about 3 other guys milling around. Based on their body language, they seemed interested in wanting to strike up a conversation either with the blond guy or me.

Since the place was shutting down, I walked outside and stood near the door. The other guys, including the blond guy, joined me outside. Apparently they seemed all interested in me because they formed a semi-circle and their bodies were facing towards me. Kind of creepy, but I took control of the situation by saying I need to meet up with my friends at the bars. I also invited the guys there to join me. During that exchange, the blond guy gave me his phone to type in my name into Facebook, which I did. Cool! Now I have his contact info. As soon as I got it, I left and the guys disbanded. It seemed I was indeed the focal point. However, no one joined me to go to the bar. They had to go home since it was a work night and it was getting late.

I met up with the Stud Muffin and his new friend. The way I walked into the bar, I may have intimidated the bouncer because he took a step back. Actually, I didn’t think he was the bouncer. I thought he was some random guy standing near entrance. I was too intent to find my friends, and the bar was really loud and crowded. I realized he was the bouncer when he started checking people’s ID as they came in.

I eventually found them and sat with them for about 20 minutes. Since it was getting late, I didn’t get anything to drink. We had a good conversation and joked around with each other. I also exchanged contact info with the other guy. After that, I said my goodbyes and left.

ASSESSMENT:
I like this mix. It helped me be more social and outgoing. Sometimes I hesitate and wait for others to introduce themselves to me, but I was the one going around the group introducing myself to others. Guys around me were also in very good spirits. I didn’t sense any avoidance from the younger guys like I did when I did two sprays of Ammo (2x). The single spray along with lots of IShine and IO did the job.

I also got contact info from two new friends, which is a big bonus for me. I also thought it was interesting that I was the focal point of a small group of guys. I felt a bit uncomfortable with that type of attention, so I deflected it by looking up the bar that the Stud Muffin was at on my iPhone. Besides, I was only interested in one of the guys there. It took some finesse to let the others off easy. But, I’m definitely going to follow up with the blond guy.

The situation with the bouncer was also interesting. That was a very good example about not getting in my way when I’m on a mission. Ammo may have also enhanced that aura. The mones seemed to last throughout the entire evening, 4 hours. I was still in good spirits when I met up with the Stud Muffin at the bar.

Overall, this was a good evening for me. I can safely say that Ammo, IShine, and IO are appropriate for gay men. I just need to be careful about the dosage on Ammo because of the enone.

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SITUATION: Poly support group

PHEROMONES:
1 spray of Ammo (2x)
2 sprays of IO (1x)
3 sprays of IShine (1x)

Tonight’s group has a few new members showing up. From their profiles, I assume they’re straight. Since this mix worked well in having great conversations with gay men during the previous evening, I wanted to see how this would work among straight men. I also used this similar mix a while back, but I only used Ammo and IO.

OBSERVATIONS:
There were 5 straight guys, and I could not get much traction in conversation with any of them. With the 4 women in the group, I was able to converse very easily and readily. They seemed more open to keeping the dialogue going than the straight guys.

ASSESSMENT:
This mix is not a good social lubricant with straight men. I wasn’t able to sustain a conversation with any of them during the evening in this particular setting. With women, the conversation flowed rather easily. In thinking back when I used Ammo and IO (without IShine), I recall having an animated conversation with a woman. I don’t recall having much conversation with men.

I know I keep telling myself to stick with only the social products (IO, IH, and IShine). The time when I did have flowing conversations with men and women at the group, I wore only social products. But in using Ammo again at this meeting, I can at least say that I have consistently had negative results with any androstenone products. Therefore, within the context of the poly support group, I should avoid using all androstenone products if my goal is to have an open dialogue with all members, regardless of gender. Androstenone might be too much for this type of setting where people are already intimidated by the topic matter.

Next few times I will experiment with solo products, such as IG, P96, P130, P83, P80, and P74. I’ll report as I use each one.

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SITUATION: Invited to game night.

Last week, I went to an LGBT social event at a game store. The next morning, I sent a message to the guy who brought that super complicated game. I thanked him for bringing it, and I mentioned that I would like to play it again. Besides, I thought he was kind of cute, though a bit geeky, but I liked his vibe. He was also 43, a lot closer to my age than the other guys I got numbers from that night. He responded favorably to my message and invited me to game night at his place the next day. He said there would be about 8 people attending, so I accepted. (I guess I could count this as a hit since he wasn’t really on my radar that night. He’s the third guy to give me his contact info!)

PHEROMONES:
1 spray of Ammo (2x)
1 spray of P74 (37.5 mcg/spray)

I chose this mix because he was already exposed to Ammo. Since this would be a small gathering at his home, I decided to use P74 to increase improve social bonding.

OBSERVATIONS:
Hmmm… The gathering wasn’t what I had expected. Besides the host and myself, there were 3 other men and 1 woman, all straight. These were his gaming friends who he gets together with monthly. I thought it was going to be with his gay friends! Knowing my experience with Ammo among straight men, I regretted wearing Ammo!

I also felt my self-confidence drop a few notches because of the culture shock. Seriously, I felt very much out of place with the level of geekiness filling the room. I know geeky gay men, but I usually can relate with them on some level. With geeky straight men and women, we have little in common.

During a break in the games, my friend and I hung out in the kitchen alone. That felt good. I was able to ask about his work and more personal questions. Our conversation flowed smoothly, and the tone was subdued and hinted of shyness between two people who seemed very much interested in each other.

We finished the evening with more games. As everyone started to go home, I was tempted to hang around and chat with him more, but I was exhausted and wanted to chill at home. When I left, I shook his hand, though I had sensed he wanted a hug.

When I got home, I saw that he sent me a friend request through Facebook.

ASSESSMENT:
This was one of the most awkward social situations I’ve been in. I don’t mind being around gaming geeks, but I relate better with gay geeks than straight geeks. Because the guy’s friends were straight, I didn’t feel like flirting with him, something I had intended to do.

I also didn’t feel terribly social, in part knowing how Ammo works with straight men when I wear it. But, I have to say that mones did work on the guy based on our short conversation in the kitchen and him looking me up on Facebook after I left. So, at least on my intended target, Ammo and P74 worked very well.

Anyway, I sent him a message asking him out for a beer with the intent to get to know each other better. He accepted my invitation, and he knows I’m partnered and poly. We have something set up in a few days. This goes to show that follow-up is vital when assessing how mones work on gay men. The hits won’t always be obvious in a mixed group or in public.

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SITUATION: Date with Gaming Guy (43 years old)

This would be my third meeting with this guy, but this time it’s one-on-one. We’re meeting immediately after work at an expensive fine dining restaurant. He chose the restaurant!

PHEROMONES:
1 drop A314 (Royale)
1 spray Ammo (2x)
1 spray P96 (50 mcg/spray)

My goal for the evening was to establish an emotional connection for friendship. I prefer to get to know a guy first before being physical with him. From our communications via email, he seemed like the kind of guy who would be a fine friend.

I used Ammo since he was exposed to it the previous two times. I wanted a sense of continuity with my scent. I also used A314 to add a bit more status since we were meeting at a fine dining restaurant. P96 was included to buffer the enone in Ammo and A314, but mainly to add warmth and encourage emotional connection.

OBSERVATIONS:
I arrived at the restaurant early. He arrived about 10 minutes after me. I was a bit nervous going into this date because of the restaurant he chose. I could afford a meal there, but I was mostly concerned of status issues. Fortunately, he actually meant the bar section of the restaurant, which was a lot more casual and had happy hour specials going on. I felt much more relaxed about the date.

We got a place to sit at the bar and sat side by side; I was on his left. After ordering drinks and food, I started to feel more confident, so I positioned my body to face him directly. However, he seemed nervous and perhaps felt awkward. We were sitting on stools, and his body was turned towards the bar.

We talked about our personal histories - coming out, relationships, boyfriends, and escapades. I made a point to share my personal history first to help him feel more comfortable about sharing his. I also made a point to sip my whiskey slowly so I didn’t get to blabby. Eventually, he seemed to settle and started to share his story.

He shared something that threw a monkey wrench into the evening. He had broken up with his boyfriend about 9 days ago. They had dated for only 3 months when he called it off, but he still left the door open for a possible reconciliation with the guy. He also shared that he has a tendency to establish relationships with guys who are emotionally unavailable and who tend to bulldoze over his boundaries, something he wants to change. Not a big deal to me, but I knew I had to treat this issue with respect and finesse. Despite the serious tone of some of our topics, we still joked around and laughed.

Eventually, we left the restaurant to go to a gay bar where we could talk more candidly. By that time, we both had two drinks each.

When we got to the bar, we ordered a round of beer and found a secluded area to chat. As we settled in, we continued our talk about past relationships, particularly his.

At one point, I was very silent because I was thinking about his comment regarding emotionally unavailable men. I don’t think of myself as emotionally unavailable, despite being partnered. In fact, I ended a relationship during the summer because the guy I was dating thought I was too emotionally available; I had strong feelings towards the guy, and he didn’t like that.

While I was pondering this, my friend asked what I was thinking about. I told him I didn’t think it was appropriate to share it with him, but he assured me that he wouldn’t reject me as a friend, if that was what I was worried about. I made several attempts to get the words out of my mouth, but I couldn’t. He then grabbed my hand and held it. From that point on, the words flowed and I expressed what was on my mind. I also told him I thought he was attractive and his overall vibe worked for me.

He acknowledged what I said and stated that he can’t guarantee that that is the direction our friendship would go in. At that moment, my fear was realized; it was too early to have had expressed something like that. I immediately quipped, “So, you’ve been watching the World Series?” We laughed and changed topics.

After another round of beer, we left the bar and we walked to my car. Since he took mass transit to work, I offered to drive him home. When we got to his house, he invited me inside. I accepted. Inside his home, we stood around and chatted about home renovations and house projects. After a few minutes, I fell quiet again. He asked what I was thinking. “I’m wondering about the appropriateness of asking you for a kiss.”

He said he was tempted, but probably wouldn’t be a good idea since he hadn’t fully resolved the breakup with this previous boyfriend and needed a bit more time to himself. But, he said he would give me a hug. The hug was very firm and long. He buried his face in my neck where I sprayed Ammo and kept it there throughout the hug.

After we hugged, I asked if I could see him again. He responded with an emphatic yes. I also reassured him that I would respect his boundaries as a friend, which he was very pleased to hear. As I walked out the door, I quipped, “Unless you want a rebound fling.” Before he could say anything, I quickly told him I was joking. I reminded him that I would respect his boundaries.

ASSESSMENT:
I would say I accomplished my goal - establish an emotional connection with him. P96 definitely assisted with this process. A314 may have made him nervous in the beginning, maybe some slight status intimidation. Ammo, however, kept the conversation light. Even when the topic got serious, we managed to find elements of humor and brevity. In time, I will know the extent of the impression I made on him.

The highlight of the evening was when he held my hand. That gesture really melted the blockage of my sharing. Besides that incident, conversation flowed very easily and readily. While I was bummed that I didn’t get to kiss him, at least I got a hug, which was a welcomed surprise. I never experienced that type of intimate, yet non-sexual, hug from a guy on a first date before.

This morning, I sent him a message to thank him and express my appreciation for certain elements of the evening. I also suggested that he and I get together to listen to classical music and perhaps attend a symphony concert. (We are both classical music buffs.) Given his situation, I will likely let him dictate the pace of our time together, but I will also use pheromones to encourage him to act on his feelings.

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Very nice night. I think you wore the right amount of enone. I do find P96 does work on emotions to and a good beautifier. One of my most used putatives for sure.

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Thanks for the feedback. Still, I was really bummed not getting a kiss! I wondered afterwards if P96 put me in the friend zone. I hope not! At the same time, I’m not the type who will ignore people’s expressed boundaries. (I may be gay, but I’m also a gentleman.) Maybe I need to increase Ammo. I have P83 in my arsenal. I’ll consider using it the next time he and I meet.

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HankBuddy,
Great report and great read!!
I hope your next meeting goes well. I’m out of my depth, but a hug like that is usually a bit of emotion, it may be pretty good to give it time…which you are already doing. This guy likes you a lot IMO but 9 days ago is super soon so…he sounds like he’s pacing himself.

Looking forward to reading more.

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Thanks Lillian. You’re right. He does need more time. But, out of curiosity, I asked him out to lunch today. I had a barber’s appointment near his home, so I thought it wouldn’t hurt to ask him for lunch. I asked; he accepted. Sooo…

PHEROMONES:
1 spray IG (1x)
1 spray Ammo (2x)
1 spray P96 (50 mcg/spray)

This is very similar to the mix I wore the other night. I used IG instead of A314 because of a comment he said. (He likes Asians, and I’m Asian.) I figured I’ll experiment with IG and see how he responds.

OBSERVATIONS:
We met at a local eatery, one that neither of us has been to before. After ordering, we sit at a table across from each other. He seemed nervous and socially awkward, similar to the other day, but a bit more so this time. He had a hard time making eye contact with me, which made me not want to make eye contact with him. There were also a few moments of uncomfortable silence, but I figured we’ll settle in after we get our food.

Once we got our food, conversation flowed a lot better. The topic turned rather philosophical - the meaning of life. Not sure if I ever had this type of conversation with someone early in the dating process, but he brought it up. We also talked about one of his fears - being excluded from groups. We talked a bit more after eating. After that, we both went to our respective cars and went home. And yes, I also got a hug from him.

ASSESSMENT:
I think the mones intimidated him. I already carry myself very well, and people sometimes remark that I seem very confident. So maybe, at least with him, I need to tone down the status mones. He seemed more relaxed once we got past the superficial conversation and started to talk about more meaningful topics. Perhaps, that’s a trait of P96? Whenever I wear P96, conversation usually has an emotional element. It’s different from IH where conversation can be personal, but not necessarily emotional.

I’m going to give him more time and let him say when to meet next, but I’ll continue messaging him to make sure I’m on his radar. I’ll also consider ditching Ammo, IG, and A314 when I see him next. I’ll use my own natural charisma with a dash of P96 and P74.

On another note, I’m running low on Ammo. I’ll switch to regular strength next time. Double strength seems a bit too much for my body chemistry.

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I want to add to my comments in the previous post. I think IG may have triggered the more personal topic about the meaning of life and his fear of exclusion. He may have sensed a fatherly figure in me and felt safe enough to talk about these things. We also did talk about his relationship with his father, so this makes a lot of sense.

It is very odd. I wore IG/IH/P96 with the Stud Muffin on one date, and he also talked about “daddy issues.” Hmmm….

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PHEROMONE:
1 spray of P80 (12.5 mcg/spray)

I wanted to quickly jot down my thoughts about this putative. I like it. It reminds me of Instant Gentleman, but less fuddy-duddy. When I wear IG, I feel masculine, confident, and laid back, but I don’t always feel social. Even with only one spray of regular strength, I mostly want to stay home and work around the house. P80 gives me the same feeling of grounded confidence and masculinity, but I’m willing to be social.

After spraying on P80, I went grocery shopping. It was close to lunch time, so I figured the store would be near empty. Wrong! It was packed! As I maneuvered through the aisles, I noticed that people were much older than usual. Very curious, I thought.

I got in line to pay for my groceries, and I asked the checker, “Is it always this busy at this time of the day?” She said it was Senior Day.

“On the first Tuesday of every month…”

Before she could finish her sentence, I quipped, “…stay away.”

“…seniors get a 10% discount. And you’re bad!” We both laughed.

As I was driving home, I realized that I didn’t get angry when people were in my way or blocking the aisles. When I’m shopping, I’m on a mission to get in and get out. This time, when I saw an obstacle, rather than getting angry and frustrated, I looked for an alternative route. That really was a different shopping experience for me! I was very easy going. I remember smiling at many of the older ladies. They all gave me a big smile back. They were so cute!

So, I’m really liking P80. It’s very different from IG, which is like drinking Pinot Noir, peppery and very sophisticated. P80 is like smooth, buttery Merlot that pairs nicely with more foods. It’s also very different from the masculinity of P75, which is like Jack Daniels, or Wild Turkey in higher doses.

I’m hoping that I can use P80 in place of IG. IG gets me into a funk sometimes. I like the way people treat me when I use it, but my mood tends to be slightly serious and sedate. At least on first testing with P80, I’m in a lighter, yet masculine, mood. I also want to ditch the father figure vibe that IG tends to give me. I’m not looking for a father-son relationship. I want a friend, an equal.

I have to test P80 with my gay friends. P75 didn’t jive with them. I think P75 is similar to copulin. It sharpens the aura of masculinity, but men, straight or gay, might not be genetically attracted to it. Maybe P75 might be helpful in attracting bi men, though that’s not something I want to investigate since it’ll limit my targets.

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I got a lot of the pluses with P80 without any negative side effects I saw. Now that I am thinking of it this might work well for you in place of IG and P75.

I was looked to a lot for answers to peoples problems with P80. But it didn’t seem to irritate people like TUTH could.

I cant wait to see in combos with other things and I will be tuned in and I just might revisit this again. I thought about making a mix with Ammo. I couldn’t remember if it was P75 or P80 but there are reports of when mixing with Androsterone it can come off as a military dictator. You know what it was P80. I think it was Pagodiero as he done extensive testing on P80.

Maybe I will try the mix any way he he.

Nice report

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Yes, I recall reading about P80 and IG being a military dictator, but I think this goes back to personal biochemistry and personality. Maybe if a guy is already the bossy, extroverted type, he can come across as a military dictator. But for us introverted, introspective folks, it might have a different effect. Maybe this is why you and I jive with P80, while others don’t.

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It’s weird, reading your description, it reminded me of my experience with P75 which I described as a warmer IG without agressivity as far as the social aspect is concerned. But I know I am a “case” with that one lol. P80 sounds interesting though. I should try and compare both on my biochemistry. Thanks for the report.