Bolkie's Quest for Lovin'

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Journals
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The girls are between 18-30 I guess. I do not have a preferred age to be honest, I find a lot of different ages and types attractive.

I’ll drop the cops for now. I am not cungruent with the ‘recently got laid’ attitude anyway. Your suggestions are all single strenght applications?

I can be funny as hell, but not so much with women I am attracted to. I tend to get in a serious mood. Not good, I know. I kinda teased her a bit about her messing up her phone like that. She was kinda protective of the device, and she left after maybe 3 minutes, when her friend walked along.

Now I think about it. When I came out and placed myself close to her. I pulled my phone out first. I had an incoming text or e-mail. Maybe she was mirroring? She was sitting and her feet were not towards me. Standing directly in front of her would be intimidating I think.

I gave the intimidation factor some thought lately. Physically I am not intimidating at all. Absolutely not. But there might be one thing that I really need to try and fix. My face. Let me try and explain. Have you ever notived that certain ethnicities seem angry, while not being angry at all? E.g. Arabian/persian guys. I kinda look like an Arabian guy. Well nobody can ever guess what my heritage it. People think I am Turkish, Greek, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, Israeli etc… you catch my drift? I am afraid that when I have a neutral face, I look a bit angry, bothered or occupied. This needs to be fixed. I recently realised that when I need to smile when someone takes a picture of me, I have trouble making a sincere smile. Not good. I think I need to relearn how to have the happy face from my pre-teens.

Myself and others have discussed the “Definitive Book of Body Language” in other threads. The book, (which has become very important to me) has an entire chapter on smiling. I want to quote a little:

“When you smile at another person they will almost always return the smile, which causes positive feelings in both you and them, because of cause and effect. Studies prove that most encounters run more smoothly, last longer, have more positive outcomes and dramatically improve relationships when you make a point of regularly smiling and laughing to the point where it becomes a habit. Evidence shows conclusively that that smiles and laughter build the immune system, defend the body against illness and disease, medicate the body, sell ideas, teach better, attract more friends and extend life. Humour heals.”

I want that habit ! Any ideas how to accomplish that?

Another quote:
*President George W. Bush always has a permanent smirk on his face. Ray Birdwhistell found that smiling among middle-class people is most common in Atlanta, Louisville, Memphis, Nashville and most of Texas. Bush is a Texan and they smile more than most other Americans. As a result, in Texas, an unsmiling individual might be asked if he was ‘angry about something’, while in New York, the smiler might be asked, ‘What’s so funny?’ President Jimmy Carter was also a Southerner who smiled all the time. This worried the Northerners, who feared that he knew something that they didn’t. Smile constantly. Everyone will wonder what you’ve been up to. *

I want that smirk ! But is just feels so unnatural to my facial muscles… The Netherlands as a society has much much more in common with NY then Texas. So the smirk must work !

Yes I read some threads some time ago. But I was under the impression that it wasn’t really a big deal. I’ll do a new search on the subject.

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I have a quesition, how did cops entered into this dicussion? I was looking to see where you said you put on cops. What I’m missing.:slight_smile:

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Post #14 Third alinea :wink:

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Hopes this helps. :slight_smile:
Copulins? Metal_354 October 20th

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Thanks, I know that thread though. You suggest I use the IJ without spraying cops?

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I’m going to do my best to assist you my friend. Overall I am impressed with the advice you have been getting. Its all good solid stuff and it will help you.

One thing that I keep picking up as a running theme in all of your posts are hypnotic negative connotations that we need to change. Essentially you are not being positive even though it appears you are. You are telling your own self to fail and while your intentions are there, the desire to succeed is there, but what we need to do is get you on the right journey.

Right now you are at a stage that you are seeing yourself in a not positive light and we need to address that and change it over to a positive self image. The first thing is to recognize what you are doing. No matter of band-aid over a bullet wound is going to heal the wound. It simply works as a patch. We first must recognize the bullet wound, extract the bullet, clean the wound and then patch it. We still know its there and when we move it hurts, but that is a reminder for us to take care.

I’m going to be brutal and honest, but I believe you are at a stage that you are legitimately seeking to improve yourself. I went to your very first post and picked out what you are telling your subconscious in your effort to improve:

The very first thing you need to do is get the word TRY out of your vocabulary. Try is a hypnosis word for fail. You might was well say I’m going to fail! Instead switch it up to what you are going to do. :wink: I will attempt, I will do, I will get this done. I’m making it happen. It is happening. Try shmy :stuck_out_tongue:

Now looking at the above referenced quotes, everyone from your initial post in this thread and its in all of them Bolkie, I know you can see what I am saying. Now lets change up here and say what you really want:

I’ll leave the rest for you as sort of an exercise. I’m pretty certain you can see what I am doing here. By picking apart the words you choose and making active decisions to adjust them to match the desire and passion you already have you will automatically see big differences. I used to do the same thing and I just couldn’t figure out why regardless of all the books I was reading, all the positive changes I was doing, just were not working.

I was looking through the world with the same pair of glasses I had on when I was down on myself. Once I realized and changed the lenses to a clean pair, all of a sudden all those things I couldn’t see were always present.

It’s the first step my friend. You already recognized you need to make the changes, but now you need to recognize what to change. I’ll post some more in just a little while.:wink:

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Wow Steve thanks !!

Sometimes I need exactly this kind of wake-up call ! MVK is giving me a lot of these calls and also JosieW. I understand and I will make my cognitive outlook on the world a more positive and commited one. I am gaining momentum.

Let’s try the exercise :slight_smile:

Nothing happened changed to It will happen
not done anything for me. changed to Will support my progress
let me down. changed to Will be of of help
my harmless vibe. changed to My sexual vibe
I tried changed to I will accomplish
classify me as undesirable changed to Classify me as higly desirable
‘damaged goods’. changed to Proven worthy
No effect changed to Effective
don’t work out for me. changed to Will work out for me
Nothing productive can come changed to Will produce results
wait to get started changed to Start right away
I will try. changed to I will do it

I will succeed in my goals in the foreseeable future. I have all the right tools. Psysically, mentally and material. Damn this forum is awesome :smiley:

P.S. I ordered “Way of the Superior Man” by David Deida. There were too many positive mentions around here to not buy it. One can read only so many pua books. It is time for more serious ‘manbuilding’ literature.

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Time for some general observations on a314:

  • This shit works

  • It packs a punch

  • Self effects are marvelous

  • People who know you will not respond to your sig being more alpha straight away. But it does not take them very long to respond to it either.

  • It is more important to avoid DLV then to demonstrate DHV (the a314 does most of the DHV)

  • It pretty much provides you with excellent service in shops, restaurants etc..

  • Your opinion counts

  • Dress sharply, the a314 man does that (out of selfrespect ?)

  • Be prepared to make decisions, people expect you to be decisive

  • It is better to make a wrong decision then no decision at all.

  • Don’t sit at home by yourself when wearing a314. The cat does not care you are alpha

  • When people value you more, make that count. This product is not solely intended to inflate your ego

  • This stuff provides you with a territory. Take care of that territory, nobody else will do that for you

Stuff I need to resolve somehow:

  • a314 converts to -none on me pretty fast. I can smell it

  • I must avoid relying solely on some kind of product to provide me with self esteem and confidence. What if in the future a314 is no longer available?

  • a314 has a tendency to make me even more serious.

  • I need to figure out how to use a314 for attracting women

  • It takes time to learn how to recognise (shit) tests, especially if you were hardly ever tested

  • People call me ‘sir’ more often, makes me feel old :stuck_out_tongue:

  • Unfortunately a314 does not come with a complementary Audi Q7

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Greetings fellow Alpha creatures.

Firstly…a314. I am starting to consider this my base sig. I never leave the house without at least 2 drops. I found my first grey hair…awesome ! As a recovering beta I consider this a message. Grey hair is a sign of wisdom, power and experience.

I had an appointment in the city centre today, but it was cancelled. I didn’t feel like staying home so I went out anyway. I applied 2 drops A314 and 1x Ammo. The a314 I always put under my ear and then smear it towards the front of my neck. The next product is sprayed on my throat. It is getting very cold so chest and/or wrists aren’t an option.

I walked past my optician and I got a plan. I wanted to try coloured contacts for as long as I can remember. I am a dark type of guy and my eyes are lightish brown, so not very special. I entered the store to see if they sold any blue lenses. The girl helping me was very attractive. I explained to her I was already a customer and what I was looking for. She seemed pretty receptive to some jokes and other stuff I told her. She advised me to try grey contacts instead of blue, I would look more handsome that way. So I chose the grey ones. I tried them on later at home. It looks friggin awesome, not fake or gayish at all. The lenses have a little brown close to the iris, so they look very natural. The girl told me it was over a year since I last had my eyesight measured. I need to go back next week. Man I hope she will do the testing.

Later today I had an appointment with my hairdresser. I thought “wth” and topped up the mones I already had on with one spray of Instant Jerk. I smelled like Ron Jeremy between scenes. Apparently she did not mind the smell. She asked me how it went with the ladies. She has been somewhat a witness of my makeover the last half year. All of a sudden she tells me she is going to see a plastic surgeon next week. Apparently she fell of the stairs on her ass some time ago. Now there is a bump on her butt cheek that wont go away. She found it necessary I understood so she took my hand and I had to touch her ass. Which was kinda weird. I know she has a new boyfriend…

In the evening it was time for my Flow Yoga class. And yes I was still ‘noned up’. During class I was surrounded by women and none of them seemed to be repulsed by my sig. I started to sweat like a pig and smelled like a hyena. They did not seem to mind. I even got a couple of smiles from the older (40+ but very fit) lady to my right. The lady on the left started to talk to me before class. That did not happen before, I think she is kinda shy.

I have this love/hate relationship with androstenone. I still do not know what to make of it. I want to up the dosage to see what happens. In this thread: A Thought it is suggested the synthetic mones might compensate for ‘negative’ mones one creates naturally. I certainly want to know my OD levels. I’ve never witnessed any agression towards me while wearing -none so I have not reached that level yet. Ghosting ofcourse is another issue.

Due to some coincedence I am now in the posession of a bottle of 30ml straight Androstenone 30mcg per spray. Yes 30mcg. It’s insane. But I do plan to wear it atleast once. I’ll buffer it with Shine or a -nol product. There are no steering molecules in the -none spray, so who knows what happens? Can any of you think of an experiment you want me to do with it?

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I am sorry guys. You do not want to hear this from me, but I feel like giving up. I really need to write about this.

Nothing is working, I am putting myself out there, but there is never any result. I have spent so much money on working out, clothes, mones, books, going out etc…it is an investment that is not paying off. I am now broke as hell. Women look straight past me, like I am not there. The only people that talk to me and are interested in me are always dudes and older women (50+). When I start talking to women they become strangely uncomfortable. I know I should wait for approach invitations but in the 28 years I am around I have never had any. I do not get it. I am not saying anything stupid, I don’t stink, I dress sharply, people tell me I am handsome. I can talk about anything anywhere. They just choose to not do it with me.

You can comfort me with ‘fallout’ this and that but it for me it is something from the movies. Fallout can never be reached if women chooses not to be around me for longer then five minutes. I never get the fucking chance to prove I am an interesting or attractive guy. Fallout is out of reach.

This is taking a heavy mental toll on me. I am seeing a psychotherapist for some months now. I really needed to do that because I am afraid I will kill myself if this situation continues. But ofcourse she does not even understand what is bugging me. Attraction and romance is so very natural for everyone else. For me it is something I see all around me and on television but never get to experience for myself. The therapist asked me last week if maybe it would be better if I turned gay… What kind of stupid question is that? I don’t like guys in that way. I like women alot, the feeling is just not mutual.

The only things left to try are the weird shit. Maybe a tattoo in my face. A violent criminal record might work. Women are fascinated by those guys. I’ll probably go out saturday night. I’ll do 3 sprays of the 30mcg -enone. Doesn’t matter if I severely get my ass kicked. Happened to me twice before. It hurts but I will survive it. I heard women like facial scars on guys..

Another option might be migrating to another country. Some place where I am not always the shortest guy. I am 5’8, which is about average everywhere in the world, except in my country. Even half of the women are taller then me, without heels. Fuck that.

Maybe religion is something I should look at. It is said that God loves everyone back.

Sorry for the rant but it had to be done.

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Sorry things aren’t working as well as they are supposed to be. I do understand what you are going through since I thought I was getting the stick as well (when you are the minority, it’s hard to achieve success)

I’m shorter than you, but I did briefly live in Asian recently and I’ve had so much fun with the pheromones over there.

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Hello my friend. I have been wondering what you were up to. So you are ready to quit? I can understand that. You are seeing a therapist? Are you depressed? Is there anything else going on? Any health issues?

I don’t think you should go hard core none. Seriously if women are trying to get away from you in 5 mins. I don’t think it’s a none problem. You have IO right? What’s the
highest dose that you have done so far?

Let’s go hard with IO and IH and maybe IS to work on attraction and comfort. We need to verify attraction first. Goal number one is to open a girl and get annoyed with how much she talks. So we will continue to bump up IO until we reach that level.

As far as God goes, I always think he is the best option. :wink:

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Bolkie,

It’s tough, I can tell you that most of us here have been in some sort of situation there ourselves. Steve and the rest of the guys covered a lot of the great things out there and really did help.

I don’t get to see how your interactions work, and I don’t know how your approach is, and I doubt it really matters. I have friends like how you described your situation, with many that turned it around. I myself have had similar situations, I was labeled as “the friend” it always happened and I got frustrated about it.

It wasn’t until I really looked at why I was like that.

Here are a few things I cosistently worked on.

I always asked myself “what is the truth in this?”

What does that mean, why do I feel the way I do. I was really bluntly honest with myself and got down to the core insecurities and issues that I had. I was seeing a psychologist, which helped a lot, and helped me come to terms with my internal issues. Settling them was probably the best thing I’ve ever done, which leads me to my second point.

Stop with limiting beliefs. I know you’re trying, and I know you’re doing everything possible, and reading the books. But these are just merely tools that are there for your arsenal. I can show you a book on how to hammer a nail in, but until you practice, stub your thumb, and go through the pains of learning, you won’t know anything and your skill won’t improve. That is the same thing with social dynamics, and self-improvement. You commit and decide (when you decide you say that there is no other option but the decision you made) that you will not live this way anymore and you will make it better. There are plenty of shorter people out there that have amazing success with women. You start believing that you’re too short, not good enough, or anything else. You lost already. I can tell you I learned that the hard way just recently, and I’ve had some awesome success with women. But the damn height issue was the stupid limiting believe I had and I lost out.

I know you’re trying, but you need to do, not try.

Your achilles heel is your lack of experience. You seem to dwell on it that you put such a big emphasis on it. Who cares if you haven’t, that’s just the way it was. Approach everything like it doesn’t matter what your past is.

What happened in the past isn’t something that we can change, the future is unwritten and is a clean blank slate, go forward in life, and take the valuable lessons you had, and leave the limiting beliefs and experiences where they belong, in the past.

You have a bright future ahead of you, why, cause you’re here, expressing it and trying it out. When things seem bleek and dark, remember that tomorrow is a new day and that you will determine how it goes. Don’t have the negative experiences from the past weight you down, head up, chest out, shoulders back, and more importantly, suit up and go out there and get em.

Good luck Bolkie, I know you can do it.

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Thanks for the uplifting words guys. I regularly have ‘dark’ days that I am really doubting the journey I am trying to undertake. Today was such a day. Now I feel kinda bad about the earlier rant because you guys are so helpfull all the time and you certainly do not deserve me bitching. I went to hang out at a friend’s place tonight and now I feel a little bit better again.

@whs06c

You know the height thing, I never even gave it any thought untill recently. Never in my life did the height thing cross my mind, I’ve never had any disadvantages of it that I know of. Then I was rejected by a girl who is taller then me because of the height difference. So, stupid me, I went on the internet to figure out if this was an issue for other women. And BOOM, the web is full of discussions about it and it aint pretty. And now I have it in my mind that there are serious problems in the dating world for shorter then average guys. I wish I never knew this. So I guess it gave me an extra self-limiting belief. The problem is I think very very logical, like most guys I guess. So whenever there is a problem I want to rationalize it and demand answers and explanations. I rationalized for myself that my lack of height is one of the reasons women do not give me second look. Pretty stupid of me I know. If my height were to magically increase overnight by like 20cm, I will come up with another rational explanation of my lack of female attention. E.g. that my teeth aren’t white enough etc..

@JosieW

Yes at this moment I am clinically depressed. This is also why I am seeing the therapist. I have always been a ‘glass half-empty’ guy, but since a couple of months it has taken a serious turn for the worse. I could write a book about why it is worsening but let’s just say that it is because of the issues in this thread (not being taken seriously by the opposite sex and always being alone). In the past and until recently I had serious anxiety issues, but it seems I have won that war. I am still on medication (SNRI’s). I tried to live without them a couple of times over the years, but then I always had a severe relapse. So I have learnt to live with the knowledge that I need to take them for as long as I need to. Physically I have undergone a transformation. I lost a lot of weight and I look good now. I eat well and I started lifting weights. Yoga is also something I want to do for the rest of my life. I have no physical health issues that I know of. My body (e.g. my neck and back) hurt often, but that is because of the stress accompanying the depression.

I have done something today to prove to myself that I must not give up. There is a speed-dating event in town tomorrow. One needed to apply before nov 8 but I just heard about it and sent an email today, so I hope I can participate anyway. I heard from a female friend they were lacking men so I am hopeful I can join. I have not heard back from them yet but I am keeping my fingers crossed. When I can participate I will apply a314 ( I also bought the extra none edition besides the regular) and a shitload of IO and IS I guess. Those women will need to spend time with me for at least 3 minutes. :stuck_out_tongue: Most of my friends have girlfriends so they will not come along. I called a couple of single friends but they thought it was a stupid idea. So I will go alone. Feck it. :slight_smile:

@P51
Wise words as always. I am actually trying to implement stuff you say in my life already. Especially living in the present. There is no point in regretting the past or fearing the future. Slowly I am getting there. My therapist is specialized in cognitive behavioural therapy and I think self limiting beliefs can be fought with that. Next time I see her I will get right on that. You are also right that my lack of experience is really killing me. How can one build confidence when one never ever gets the chance to break the vicious circle? I am waiting for a break. I am holding on to the thought that whenever that break comes I will be unleashed upon the world :slight_smile:

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Don’t wait for that “break” make it happen and break it yourself.

I know it seems like its an easy answer, but in life, we MAKE things happen and not wait for it.

Just go for it, screw it, you get rejected, you get rejected. But go at it with, “I have so much to offer, this is who I am and this is what I bring to the table” and if it doesn’t work, it just means it wasn’t the right timing, the right person, or just the right circumstances.

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Drink water and lots of it.

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I’m a newbie here, but if you don’t mind I would like to help you out. Now, I don’t know what you look like physically, except for your height and I don’t know how your personality is, but don’t give up. I think you may need to change some things up a little. If what you’re doing now isn’t working, then change things. You need to do what makes you feel happy in your life and that happiness will reflect outward to those that you encounter. It seems to me that you “think” you will be happy once you have a woman…but the catch is that you’re not going to attract a woman if you’re not already happy with yourself. If working out makes YOU feel good and happy about YOURSELF then keep doing it! If dressing nice make YOU feel good then keep doing it! If going out every night of the week makes you feel down…then STOP!!! Slow down on the going out and save your money. Only go out 1 night every other weekend and I promise you that when you do, you will feel like a new man…it’s almost like a treat to be out and you will feel so happy that it will actualy show! You will not have the stress of being broke (which a lot of women can read) and you will actually be truely happy to be out partying it up! When you go out, go out for YOURSELF, not for the hopes of finding a woman. Enjoy YOURSELF and forget about the women. The women will come…they may not come the first time out or two weeks after even, but they will come. When I go out expecting to pick up a woman, it never happens. When I go out with the plan of taking it easy and going home at the end of the night by myself…I would say 30% of the time I end up hooking up with someone. If they have a mone that makes you “just not care”, get that one and scap the rest.

It seems that you’re having trouble getting past the first few minutes of talking to a woman. Let me share some info that I learned long ago that works. There’s a fine balance of when a women can sense that you’re attracted to her but at the same time that you really don’t care because YOU have other options…that’s that fine line that you want to run on that will ultimately get you women and keep them comeing back. When you aproach and start talking to a girl, don’t stare at them like they are a juicy steak or like they are your future wife or they WILL run off scared. You want to be like a sly wolf and slowly get mentally closer to them until they accept you, and once they do…then you can Turn Up The Heat(No pun inteded!). Make sure that when talking at first, slightly look away as if you don’t want to be there talking to her, but make sure to glance and make eye contact with here every so often…once again DO NOT STARE HER DOWN. if you look at here for longer that a second you are giving too much too fast. Now the trick to this is that you are really listening to every word that she is saying and you are really very interested, but your body language says that there are other prospects out there that need your attention, BUT what saves you from her walking away is that quick glance to her every once in a while which will also make her think that there is still that slight chance that you are still interested in choosing her. Once she is all up on you touching you and wanting you to pick her then you can turn up the heat…but please…save the staring for 6 months down the road when you are both laying in bed on a Sunday morning and flirting with the idea that you actually love each other.

The main thing is to not give up…we all have our “dry spells” where we feel nobody is even looking at us…which can go on for months!!! But it’s that week or two that you’re on fire that you will be glad that you never gave up!

And just to let you know, I am worse off than you are…I am just under 5’-6" tall and usually eye level or shorter than all the girls in the club with their damn heals…and guess what…after a long dry spell with picking up women I’m dating two women right now taller than me without any heals on! Don’t give up!!!

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OK Bolkie this is what I have been asking you for. You have been diagnosed with clinical depression? That’s what I have been wondering for a while. If you mentioned it before, I apologize for not seeing it. I have been reading a lot of old post here and some relatively new ones. One I read from Radman really caught my attention. He has a theory that our view of ourselves and subsequent body language may be able to change our current pheromone. In other studies I have read that pheromones found in the skin directly represent our current state. For instance women cry to release built up stress hormones like cortisol. Men sweat stress out. All kinds of crap can be found on our skin from this sweat. If you are stressed technically speaking women can “smell” it. If you are depressed, they may be able to smell that too.

In the beginning I wondered if maybe you were producing high levels of A1 which seems to cause depression in some men. I have recently tested A1 at full strength and found that A1 impacts me in some negative ways. However when applied with just 7.5mcg of P93 the negative effects were negated. My only problem with this line of thinking in your case is that if you were producing a large amount of A1, then women would be all over you. So it must be something that you are missing or something that is scaring them away.

Cortisol is found in high levels in 50% people that are clinically depressed. It is a hormone that is released during times of high stress. At first I thought Steve was kidding, but he’s right. You need to drink a lot of water. It would be great if you had some P130. I believe that P130 is related to a hormone that reduces stress in particular cortisol.

In some cases clinical depression has been linked to low levels of dopamine. If that’s true then you may already have something on hand that may help. How much have you tested P83? At this point I would recommend that you stop using A1 and A314. Instead begin testing p83 preferably by itself from 10 mcgs up. For your speed date try 30mcgs of p83 a few shots of IO and a few shots of IS.

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@P51
You are entirely correct. I actually decided to undertake this ‘journey’ because I wanted to take my life and future in my own hands. I wish to no longer be a passive. To live life and not undergo it. I am going to force the ‘break’ with a jackhammer.

@Steve
I sometimes forget to eat and drink. Not good, I know. I am thinking of setting a alarm on my phone every two hours max and then have a tall glass of water.

@mn4359
I understand you totally. I cannot expect some women to like me if I do not even like myself first. It is really a catch 22. You are also correct to state that it is probably easier to atract women when you are not attached to the outcome when talking to them. I really need to learn how to do that. Problem is I have so many thoughts going to my mind at any given time, it is hard to just be in the moment. My emotional and cognitive CPU needs to be underclocked. Another thing you are correct on is that I really don’t want to go out to a club like thing every weekend. I am constantly AMOG’ed by all the cool extroverted guys anyway. I need to somehow meet women in a more relaxed atmosphere. In a club the parameters of behaviour are too far off what I really am. And yes, if there was a mone that could make me ‘not care’ I would bathe in it.

@JosieW
Ok, now you are getting my attention. Your post is a ‘logical’ one. I actually found AD while searching for answers. I was suspecting that there maybe was a psysiological reason for being repelling to women. There is the hope that synthetic mones can outweigh the negative effects of my natural ones. But who knows if that is the case? I am stressed 24/7. This is not so much anxiety anymore, it’s different. It is more that I am constantly very very displeased with how my universe is playing against me. I just woke up an hour ago and lately my bed and sheets are really moist, parts of it are wet. I have this cold sweat while sleeping. When I wake up I am tired as hell.

I stopped with the A-1 for a while. It did not notice it having positive effects anyway and I am scared that the negative effects can put me over the top some day. So that product is shelved for the time being. The p93, I don’t have that, but I will order a 7,5mcg spray with my next order. I am willing to try anything. The p130 I have not acces to. I just read about it and it seems it will not be in the store, so that is a missed opportunity.

I will try the p83 more. I promiss. But why do you advise me to stop with the a314? I have good self-effects from it. I feel more confident.

Thanks for the input and help guys !

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You may also want to look into P75. One of the self effects that is mentioned often is the loss of negative self talk.