Bolkie's Quest for Lovin'

P75 and P93 check ! :slight_smile:

Just received an email. I am to participate in the Speed Dating event tonight :slight_smile:

Hey!!! Just remember give everything you have without expecting anything in return. You are giving yourself and time as a gift. I don’t mean that you should be arrogant. Every person you speak with should walk away more fulfilled and more complete after spending time with you. Breathe deep. Be very open.

A couple of quick tech notes ok?
You have 5 seconds to get your first yes. (The first thing she needs to say yes to is you). She checks your physical appearance and your confidence and possibly even your honesty to yourself (AKA congruence).

Something like 10 seconds or so for the second yes. (Can I relate to this person?) You do this by mirroring. Don’t be obvious, but you need to position your body the way that she does. Listen for keywords that she uses and start using them. Talk about what she is interested in.

Now you are looking for the next yes. She should at some point ask something about you. Then you need to begin to build interest and even some mystery. Have fun. Say something silly. Be free. Lean back and let your masculine shine through.

If at all possible you need to kino 3 times in the first 3 minutes. It needs to be natural though. If she reaches out to shake your hand. Take her hand and as you shake it look her in the eye and touch the elbow of the hand you are shaking when you greet her. That’s technically 2 touches. If she says anything that you particularly like during the conversation. Reward her with kino. Maybe a hi-5 or something like that. (Women are so good at this technique it’s not even fair.)\

I look forward to hearing what everyone else says and your report.

This is some damn fine advice !

About the 3x Yes. At first I thought you meant I needed to let her answer yes to a question. But I get it now. She needs to think yes three times. This must certainly be doable with at least a couple of women I meet tonight.

About the 3x Kino. This might be more tricky. I believe every ‘date’ lasts only 3 minutes. First touch will be a handshake I guess. There is probably a small table between us so I don’t know yet is if the elbow touching is possible or practical. If I need to go out of my way to do it, now that would be weird. The high five is a good idea. But only when I really like the person I am meeting at the time. If I go high-fiving the entire row of women, they will think it is a routine. I will use this one. With every handshake I need to wait until they pull away instead of pulling away myself right?

Let’s get down to mones. In an earlier post you said I should drop the a314. I don’t know man. I’ll go with only one drop. I need that akuto/a314 smell, it makes me feel manly. The p83 (30mcg?) I will do together with IO and ISx2. The IO and ISx2 I have those in a to-go so I can refreshen them when there is a break or something.

I believe Happytappin’ has experience/reports with using mones while speeddating. I’ll start a search for his posts.

I wish it was tonight already.

No don’t hi-5 the entire row. The hi-5 was an example. It should only be a reward for good behavior. :slight_smile:
If you can’t reach their elbow then touch their wrist. It’s just a little more intimate plus it gets two touches in. The 3rd touch can be at the end.

OK let’s talk about mentatility one more time. Even if you are not interested in the girl that you are speaking to, you need to get into the habit of giving something of yourself to her. You need to be in the habit of leaving people better off than you found them. The problem with many PUA’s and many people in general is that they are takers. You need to give. I don’t mean flowery compliments or anything like that. I mean your attention your full attention. You need to almost feel their essence, look for their internal beauty and allow yourself to acknowledge it. Every woman is beautiful in some way if none other than the fact that they are different from men. You need to notice that. It leads to passion in your eyes. Women can’t resist being truly “seen”. Not understood, but acknowledged.

Bolkie, you don’t need the A314. If you feel that you need a crutch, then use it. However if you feel that in any way A314 does not allow you to fully give yourself to this but instead will allow you to hide, then don’t use it.

Yes sir !

I understand, I will let my eyes do most of the speaking while I listen.

This I don’t understand. Why would the a314 allow me to hide? The a314 drags me out of the cave. When I have this on a better version of me comes out. This translates into confident body language, better voice etc.. Why would I leave that at home tonight?

Well this was a complete waste of time, money and mones. :roll_eyes:

Out of 15 women, me and the other dudes were supposedly going to meet for 3 minutes, only 4 showed up. Two were around my age the others were 40+. Out of those 2 who were my age, there was one I was actually attracted to. But unfortunately this was not mutual.

I still think the concept of Speed Dating is brilliant. This was just bad luck I guess. Also I am pretty sure my mones did not ‘hit’. Though there were no hits or matches or anything, I am still glad that I made the decision to go. Sitting on the couch leads nowhere.

I think you may be thinking into things too deeply and not letting things happen naturally. The best connections you’re going to have is when everything is spontaneous…even if what comes out of your mouth is sounds cheesy to you. If you think about how you’re going to do this and when to do that you’re definitely going to blow it everytime. Let everything be spontaneous…your actions and your words! Don’t think about what you’re going to say next while she is talking…and definitely don’t think about what you’re going to physically do next…you’re going to end up coming off as though it’s routine or that you’re trying to be something you are not. Just let it happen man…like I said before “Don’t give a fuck” and you will be scoring left and right. What do you think it is about bad boys that girls like so much? They don’t give a fuck! LOL

I know you are trying to help, but I can’t help but wonder if you have read his entire journal. Spontaneous interactios aren’t happening for him. That’s why we are providing advice. Also if spontaneous reactions were working, why would he be on a site seeking to use pheromones to help?

There are techniques that help people interact better. If it were all very natural, then no one would ever seek help.

No sorry, you’re right, I did not read his entire journal…but I just did now and I still stand by the advice I gave. I was not giving him advice to have spontaneous interactions, but to say and do things spontaneously while he is with a girl instead of pre-thought movements and lines. Like touching her here or there only after this amount of time or saying this to her or that to her…that’s all garbage because every situation is unique and won’t play out in the same way.

Bolkie, getting girls is a numbers game. The more women you talk to and hit on, the better the chance you have of picking one up. You could talk to 9 girls in a club and get turned down all night by them, but guess what…it may be the 10th one that wants to be with you. Don’t get down on yourself and remember this…out of 10 girls, probably 5 of them have serious boyfriends, with the other 5 remaning, 1 of them is still getting over a break-up and 1 of them likes girls themselves. Which leaves you with 3 girls that are fully single and read to go. Now out of those 3, you may only get 1 or 2 (on a good night) who are physically attracted to you.

One thing I did notice throughout your posts is that you never actually attempted to close the deal and you don’t seem to flirt sexually with them. Let them know you are a sexual being and can take care of their needs by turning your humor more sexual or by throwing them a wink at an opportune time. Don’t worry about being a gentleman…you still are as long as you’re tasteful. If you feel you have even a half way decent connection with here while talking, then ALWAYS ask for her number. It doesn’t matter if you have only been talking to her for two minutes…go out on a limb and just ask. If you see she is getting ready to leave then say “Hey, I gotta run but I really enjoyed talking to you…maybe we could continue this over a drink sometime?”. That’s just one of thousands of ways to ask her out, but it’s very direct and simple. If you never get the girl’s number then you will never progress in getting a date and getting closer with them. Once you get close enough to them to tell them you’re a virgin they are gonna pounce on you like a wild animal! Especially the older ones! Use your sexual mones!

Thanks for the advice. Expecially the number’s game. I went out last night and there we many beautiful women there. I talked to three girls for a very short time before I did it wrong, but at least I did it. I was with a buddy who did not like it there, he was getting grumpy so we left. I wanted to stay longer though. But being designated driver means you gotta make concessions sometimes.

I am going out again in a couple of hours. I am meeting some other friends in a club. Those guys are complete wackjobs so that might be interesting. They will be there for a bachelor party.

About the virgin thing. I am sorry, but you have it completely wrong. They might jump a virgin when he is 21, but when you are 28 there is something seriously wrong with you. Nobody touches ‘damaged goods’. Women seem to figure this out about me anyway, they smell it. But I will never tell them my about my situation. That is social suicide. Women tell they think it is ‘cute’ that a guy is unspoiled, and that he deserves a woman. They will not touch him themselves with a stick. Unfortunately it doesn’t work like that.

Don’t even tell them you’re a Virgin, telling them makes it seem like its an issue. If it comes up, just be like I had a different view on sex when I was younger. You can say life experiences have taught you that sometimes you just gotta go with it. You had your standards back then and you weren’t just going to do it for fun. Then you can go on a whole dialogue of how as you get older, having a connection with someone is ultimately what’s good about relationships. You still view sex as something that’s not taken lightly, but you’re more open to possibilities now that you’ve gone out and met all these great women.

Social status, women knowing its YOUR choice, and you don’t really care if you haven’t yet. Detach all the negatives and put a positive spin on it. Even though its not the most accurate thing in the world.

Wow man I think you underestimate the power of being a virgin. Who told you that you were spoiled goods??? That’s complete bullshit!!! You’re not spoiled goods…you’re the hottest commodety in that damn place when you walk in the door! And just you remember so when you walk in!!! When you walk in that damn club you need to walk in like you own it and YOU are the one that every women is looking for…because you are! It doesn’t matter if you are a 21 year old virgin or a 28 year old one…that makes it even crazier!!! If you feel bad about it then just use the angle that you are saving it for someone you really connect with…nothing wrong with that…and if you use some mones that make here feel connected to you and horny for you then you are in! Any girl would pick you to sleep with than some other disease infested dude. You are clean and fresh to them man! Just make sure you don’t tell them at the club unless it leads down that way through some deep discussion. Oh and make sure you always chew gum while drinking…it does wonders when you approach a girl with fresh breath instead of alcohol breath like the rest of the d-bags in there.

Haha, alcohol breath will not be a problem. I totally quit drinking some three years ago. I will never drink again, it feels so good not to. I don’t even like the smell anymore. But this does give me the problem of not having the disinhibiting qualities of alcohol.

The qualities you just described are all valid…for guys looking for a woman. I don’t think there is a guy in the world who would object against having a virgin for a girlfriend. But for women this is a big no-no.. A guy cannot be a 28 year old virgin and a man at the same time. It does not compute. The first thing that will cross their minds is “what it wrong with this weirdo?” People half my age have sex nowadays. I don’t have a clue how they manage to obtain this, but they do.

Have you heard of the concept ‘social proof’. If you haven’t you should do a search for it on this forum. It is very interesting. Basically, the more different women a guy has sex with, the higher is value will become…and even more women want him. My situation is the total opposite of social proof. I am a commodity that has never been tested yet and nobody wants to be the tester.

So I really appreciate your input and I hope you will continue to provide me with your thoughts, but your views on the virginity thing are really not how it really is. It would only work in certain religious communities and ofcourse the movies.

Firstly…always chew gum even if you’re not drinking…you always want fresh breath. lol

And I REALLY think you have divulged yourself waaaay too deep into the whole virgin thing and have been reading AND believing way too much crap that some clown wrote. I have had a couple friends who were virgins well into thier 20’s and trust me, women don’t see it as such a bad thing like you see it as. You are taking a viewpoint from a male’s point of view. I have been in discussions with quite a few women on the subject…especially when the movie 40 Year Old Virgin came out, and these women all said great positive stuff like, “I would totally date a virgin, I would get to train him how I want him to do stuff” and “I wouldn’t have to worry about a disease with a virgin and he will get the hang of it fast” and “I would be allll over a virgin and make him my sex slave” I’m not making this shit up either…it came straight from the mouth of beautiful women in their mid to late 20’s to early 30’s. I never heard one negative comment come from a womans mouth about it. Keep in mind also that contrary to what you probably believe there are still a lot of women well into their 20’s who have only been with 1 or 2 guys because of long term relationships they were in. YOU ARE THE MAN…now go out there and get some ladies!!!

I’ll buy some chewing gum at the gas station when I leave :wink:

What these women told you is what they at that moment thought was the right thing. E.g. when they just saw that movie, they had a distorted perception of what they are attracted to. Remember that women are far more emotionally driven then we are. They say they want a virgin, because it’s pretty logical and they really think that they do. But they will act on their emotions which are almost always different then what they think. So when a virgin would actually stand in front of them they will back down. They will say " some day you will find that special girl. I envy that girl, because you are a great guy." It is not that I don’t have a lot of empirical experience with this shit…unfortunately :stuck_out_tongue:

lol well then don’t tell them if you feel so bad about it! Act as if you have been laid thousands of times and it’s no big deal. I have been told by women that late bloomers are usually the best in bed…even on their first time, because they have imagined so much how to do everything and how it would feel for the woman, so they do it perfect. Go get them and stop letting your virginity hold you back!

Haha, you are absolutely right ! I will most certainly take care of business when the time comes…I’m not joking !

You know I think it’s funny how some people will give a lot of advice but without a lot of depth. Obviously attitude is important, but with just attitude and no knowledge what can you do? Sure Bolkie should walk around like he owns the place, but how does he actually do that? What does that look like if he doesn’t currently have that kind of confidence? Bolkie when you walk into a place walk in with your head up and stop near the entrance. Slowly let a large smile cross your face. Look around the room and hold eye contact with anyone that looks at you. Give them a nod of approval.

I think it’s interesting that for everything else in life you learn techniques for improvement, but people frown on technique when it comes to dating or meeting women. We learn techniques for sales, management, and interviews but not for meeting people and dating. If you go to a job for an interview you should have a firm handshake, a big smile, and you should touch their right wrist or elbow with your left hand when you greet them. This helps facilitate warm feelings and rapport.

I guess that’s just my opinion. Oh wait it can’t be. If all we needed was the right attitude then we wouldn’t need pheromones right? Attitude is important, but it’s nothing without knowledge.

Hey Bolkie, I’ve been reading your journal for a little bit.

Seems like you’ve internalized being a virgin as being the most important thing in the world. Believe me, once you attract the right girl, she won’t be able to resist jumping your bones. Lots of girls love virgins because they’re fast learners and particularly good and eager to learn how to please.

For my piece of advice on this subject, you tell yourself that you’re damaged goods. I tell myself that you’re only waiting for someone worthy of your attention. So to speak, you’re waiting for someone who was looking for a virgin so that she can ravage you herself.

You’re 28, and you still haven’t slept with a hooker and yet you spend hundreds on pheromones. That says something to me.

Although, I will acknowledge that you feel you need social proof. I remember how I felt before and after I lost my virginity. For you to flip that mindset of damaged goods to something more positive can be difficult and most likely seems impossible.

I’m not entirely sure how to offer you the proper advice as you are clinically depressed and I don’t understand depression (in a physiological sense, logistically I understand) but I wish you the best of luck.