Difference btwn male & female pheromones

First of, what’s the difference, chemically, btwn a male & female product if they both have the same name (Instant Honesty or Sexiness, whatever)?

What I’m doing is writing a femme friend a letter to hopefully resolve our friendship. On that letter I’m looking to spray something on there to open HER mind. I asked about this in my intro and the general answer I got was that I had to be there. But she’s in a different city now.

So I get that if I spray, say, Instant Honesty on me other people will be more open around me. Will that make ME more honest (as a guy to a female friend)? This is a broad question, but what products will effect the person being sprayed vs people around the person who applied the pheromone?

Thank you

Hi

Both men and women make some of the same pheromones naturally they are just more predominant in one or the other. Take Androstenone for instance men make alot more then women its a male pheromone connected to testosterone production. Women make trace amounts but not much. Androstenone is a predominant male pheromone. Women make more nols then men. Copulins are only made by women.

Ok now for the products.

There are pheromones that are unisex like Instant Openness Instant Shine Instant Honesty ect ect Both genders wear them with similar reactions.

Then there is the predominantly male products A314, AMMO, Raw Power. Women sometimes will wear tiny amounts of these to create aggression or a alpha aura.

Then there is women’s products Instant sexiness, Lust After Me these contain primarily female pheromones. Men have tried them with varying results.

You can try your letter method if you want be keep in mind. People make pheromones and we all have our own signatures. She has never smelled synthetic pheromones on you so its highly unlikely she will connect any feelings she gets to you.

Also the pheromones molecules only last for 4 to 6 hours so you would have to hand deliver that letter.

There is a slight possibility that if the pheromone molecules do remain on the letter they could cause self effects. Ishine and IH would be the best choices.

Tisha

Some pheromones, like Instant Female Magic, have totally different effects on men than women. On women of reproductive age, it appears to be calming, even cheerful, on men, it appears to produce a dark/severe, maudlin, nostalgic feeling, or a “lovestruck” feeling. I’ve got a thread in the Men’s forum on it discussing the differences.

Keep in mind the mens version of IFM and the womens Version of IFM are different to.

Tisha

I know the recipes can’t be disclosed, but what exactly is the difference between the men’s and women’s version of IFM?

The mens version is buffered more to reduce the negative effects that some men suffer from when exposed to A1.

Mark… how do I know which version I have? I’d describe my experience with Instant Female Magic as mostly negative.

Like I said in another post, if a woman were to wear that, and I was near her, I might feel like I’m falling in love (punched in the gut feeling), or I might feel creeped out. It was a wildcard. That’s something I think the ladies should be aware of when they wear it for menstual problems- it has a definite effect on at least some men, it’s one of the most blatant pheromones I’ve tried. If a lady wore it, to me, it would give off a “sad clown” vibe: Alan Alda. The kind of guy that soothes you for a little while, but eventually he just gets a bit tired and old and you wish he went away (sorry MASH fans) because he’s making you feel down. That may or may not be attractive to a man, depending on how he interprets it. It could just be creepy.

I’m not sure. My bottle has the version number, strength and scent on the bottom. I would think that the womens version sould have a sticker on the bottom identifying it as such, but I don’t know.

The results you have experienced seem to be the norm for some men. It does not affect me and I could probably spray the stuff up my nose with no self effects so much as a sneeze. I guess I’m lucky.

Mark… I looked at the bottle and it says “For men” in small letters. Doh :slight_smile:

I envy you, man. Oh well. I’ll have to continue my quest to find something that buffers the stuff so it doesn’t feel so blah. The only thing I think helps is Instant Shine, but that has issues in itself (you feel tired after it wears off- it’s like going to a party all the time and comming home). Hmm… maybe 1/2 strength Instant Shine would buffer it… who knows.

Have you noted any wierd effects where it feels like you are in love with half the women you see- even if they are “homely”? I feel that (or maybe that is normal for you :slight_smile: alot. I think it’s an interesting effect, not sure it’s a bad side effect.

I got an interesting indicator of interest once with Instant Female Magic and Instant Shine… a woman came and sat near me for a moment, then realized that I wasn’t her boyfriend, she got up and left. Very funny.

Nope. Like I said, I feel no self effects whatsoever from IFM. But, I definitely see good effects with it on women.

So what negative effects does Androstadienone give to men and what does it do for women?

I love Instant Female Magic and I usually pair it with Instant Shine. I really havent noticed a negative effect on guys when Im wearing it maybe the Instant Shine balances it out?

I always get confused on the effects of Instant Female Magic womens version VS. the mens version.

So does the Females version work better on the guys? meaning does not cause depression as easily?

Here you go vivica, this will help explain it better :wink:

Oh and it can cause a down depressed feeling in a small percentage of men.

Tisha

Well, Tisha beat me to the punch in reaponding, and as is often the case, she had a better explanation than I could have given. :wink:

So, I’ll just bow down to Tisha’s knowledge, else she may turn me into a salamander again! :open_mouth:

That was Jassy who explained it I just copied and pasted it :smiley:

Tish

I know that Tisha, but I had never even seen that thread. Guess that’s why your the phero master & queen! :wink: :stuck_out_tongue:

FWIW, I checked a poll from last year and it appears that alot of men do in fact react somewhat negatively, at least, to Instant Female Magic. Only about 5 percen said they were “really” depressed, but a sizeable minority said they had a bad mood or felt like crap.

thanks for all the great info.

Intant female magic works great on me. I was always looking through all the threads trying to figure out if there was a way to not give the guys around me a down feeling while around me while wearing it. So I guess with this one its a choose me forget about him for a while pheromone? lol

I havent noticed a depression effect around my guy while wearing it but I just wanted to be sure because I really dont want to make him down just to make me feel better.

I always pair it with Instant shine and it makes me feel great.

It’s only a minority of men (30 percent I believe). And the effects are not immediate, it just depends on how much you wear (the female version may be different than the men’s version). In a social setting, like a dinner with somebody (a group of people), it might have an effect. They may not necessarily pin it on you though.

Instant shine does partly/wholely negate the mood lowering of Instant Female Magic, but it doesn’t fully negate some of the wierd feelings I get when I wear it. I feel “different” around women. My relationship towards women is altered somehow, I feel “softened” and women start looking more attractive in general. “Whipped” is how somebody described it before, and I believe that is spot-on- I feel inferior to women and vulnerable to manipulation, sort of like being in love. Without the IS, it just feels blah and IS never lasts as long as Instant Female Magic. I have to have a bit of conscious will to keep the dark stuff away, that sort of thing.

If somebody were wearing Instant Female Magic near me, any more than a little, I’d probably eventually move away from them if I could actually feel something comming off them, else I’d probably start going nuts. In high doses Instant Female Magic gave me bad nightmares and made the room I was sleeping in pretty much uninhabitable until I washed the bedclothes and cleaned it with an ozone machine (I have one). It was like the room was haunted. It gives me the heebie jeebies just thinking about it, actually. It also makes my skin flushed/sweaty, even itchy in high doses. Laying on the bed, I got a double whammy of androstenone and Instant Female Magic, and it was like putting a really dark, sexual theme into my mind- my heartbeat increased, I thought sex and aggression/anger (I was getting angry for some reason), and yet there was a very real dread in the room, I felt like there must be a demon in the room or something (not that I believe in such things, but the feeling was very real). A succubus sitting on my chest? I know it wasn’t androstenone alone, because that stuff just makes me really nervous, not “dark”.

I wish I knew why the minority of men have this idiosyncratic reaction… after all we are making the stuff, at least allegedly all of us are. Women make very little/none as far as I know. It’s some kind of bonding molecule for women, especially during their period, to get them to hang around with men. BTW I think the amount Androtics uses is much higher than what a real man would emit.

Instant Female Magic? Instant Succubus… heh heh

To be honest, I’m not sure Instant Female Magic is really all that good for men. Obviously, if women use it and buy it, on themselves as a “man-substitute”, an “emotional vibrator” (pardon the expression ladies), it really isn’t attracting women to men. Sure, it might make women a little more comfortable around men, assuming it also doesn’t swallow your soul, but I find whatever is in something like WAGG does the same thing (androstenol also seems to work), and doesn’t make me feel like the Earth is going to swallow me up and the harpies are going to devour me. Really to get the “ideal” results with Instant Female Magic, a man would have to hit a woman during her “time of the month”, and unless you did a little too much homework on a “target” (creepy), it really wouldn’t do anything unique (or am I wrong, ladies?).

wow that is a bit of a scary report . Im pretty happy with the self effects on me but I think I will be careful about wearing it around others maybe just at home.

As far as getting hit on during that “time”. I personally know I get more clingy and soft during that time so if a guy hit on me while wearing IFM I probably would be more open to responding. That is a bit creepy if he knew all that info about you and you’re not with him “stalker” lol

That’s funny because x1 Instant Shine and X1 Instant Female Magic makes me feel the exact same way, but towards women. But without the Instant Shine, I just feel bleh. Clingy and soft, yes, but also like I’m sad for no reason. You know Alan Alda (MASH)? It’s the exact same way. Maudlin, moody, a bit heavy sometimes. It’s only a big problem for me when it builds up (apparrently it does), or I can’t escape the situation.

I’d recommend you wear it somewhere like on your wrists or on your neck (or heck, your face since women seem to want self-effects), some place you can wash it off easily if you go socializing with men that you suspect are vulnerable to it. In very low doses (trace amounts) it does not bother me, so you should be able to wash it off easily. You could also wear 1-2 sprays of Instant Shine but be prepared for the possibility of being hit on by somebody that acts “desperate”.

I was looking at a study on androstadienone and apparrently most men, it doesn’t activate any of their brain regions at all, unlike gay males and straight women. But they have favorable mood reactions, I don’t. I suspect it is activating the brain (my brain), but in a more “negative” way; it’s something somebody ought to study. Maybe there’s a bit of Alan Alda in me already :slight_smile: